Irishdave

whilst your clearly a reasonably intelligent man and you've shown yourself capable of using common sense and a knowledge of history to reach logical conclusions in this thread you continue to expose yourself as a brainwashed liberal numpty people try pass the blame so hard it gets to the point where blacks must be incapable of any real independant thought in some people's heads, jus vulnerable puppets in pinkys hand, whether it comes to genocide in zimbabwe, "gang culture" in the uk or a footballer wifin a white bird must be a pretty destructive mindset to have tbh, but hey.......probably just another cause of the slave trade Hey man, I am just trying to take in both sides of the coin here. None of it has or will ever have an affect on me and the circles I run in, so I don't particularly have hard line views on either or.

You mentioned me as if I was two people on here talking to myself. I was talking about me asking questions to him, not the other way around. lol keep runnin that mouth fella, I will have something entertaining to wake up to. I interpreted what you said as being a c*nt towards me for now reason, despite my attempts to accept both sides of what people were saying on top of my own opinion and so on. If I got that wrong then fair enough, I hold my hands up and will happily retract the c*nt statement.

Probably not race based before because people weren't as aware about it as they are now. The internet and a dominating media force this kind of information into the daily lives of people, whether it is one sided or balanced or completely fictional. I find that a lot of people, from my own experience (not stating it as fact) tend to base their current opinions of races or people because of things that happened in the past, and thus aren't willing to attribute to the past, harbour grudges and live life like that. The gang culture cropping up in major cities in England is what I consider an example of that, but could very well be in response for white supremacists like the EDL. I disagree. The world became race based LONG before internet and media took hold. The world became race based around 500 years ago; and communications weren't much better then than they were in the time of the Ancient Roman Empire. It's easy to think race and racism is such a natural thing because it has dominated everything for so long. It's almost hard to imagine a society that doesn't take race into account. But this was fairly commonplace in the ancient world (priority was placed on tribe and nationality). I mean in terms of global awareness but I get your point.

An Irishman being funny? Pffttt I think I will struggle fella

What have you got to be disrespectful all the time for? Seriously man, can someone not talk and ask questions about something that he isn't entirely clued up on without cunts like you being a c*nt?

Probably not race based before because people weren't as aware about it as they are now. The internet and a dominating media force this kind of information into the daily lives of people, whether it is one sided or balanced or completely fictional. I find that a lot of people, from my own experience (not stating it as fact) tend to base their current opinions of races or people because of things that happened in the past, and thus aren't willing to attribute to the past, harbour grudges and live life like that. The gang culture cropping up in major cities in England is what I consider an example of that, but could very well be in response for white supremacists like the EDL.

That is kind of what I was aiming at.

The way I read what you wrote appeared to me that you were making Gaddafi out to be a man who looked after his people and that we wouldn't have the suicide bombers doing what they do if America had stayed away. Was I incorrect in reading it this way? Meh, I think it does make a difference. I for one don't want to be associated with such groups within the white community with any of that. I don't see anyone as being any different to me. Treat people how you expect to be treated. I am not privy to what the white farmers did. Agreed Yep and it is a disgrace.

Thanks for the links fella!

Just a question lad, and don't take offence, but do you consider a website that isn't pro white or pro black to be racist? Again, I am still interested in those sites or link if you have any fella.

True, perhaps a little unfair of me to say and word it the way I did. Are they really that influential? Just goes to show how powerful the medium of the media is if that is the case. Do you think that largely happened because people who find something completely different to their own react with fear and thus impose oppression on that new/emerging group as a form of self protection? I honestly don't know much about the slave trade fella, but certainly something worth looking into. Yea on Australia day they have Invasion day as well and another celebration by the Aboriginals on the same day iirc.

Ah ok fella, perhaps I misinterpreted the reasoning behind using that term. From my perspective I guess I perceived those kinds of words to be used in such a manner, I won't make that mistake again, so thanks for clarifying the reasoning behind it. I don't disagree with you entirely on any of this fella. Everything is inter-connected and everything will have a different affect. The South African economical climate can certainly be attributed to the Apartheid government, but in that respect I don't know much about a handful of countries in detail. Largely in agreement with you there. Lets not forget the enormous torment that women in Libya underwent and probably continue to experience. I admit, that many of them have been allegations that are unproven, but given he controlled the media to a large extent it is difficult to ascertain a balance viewpoint on that and whether those women are telling the truth. There are cases when it has been proven, although I had not seen the evidence on anything other than tv. Qaddafi was also training Muslim extremists as many of their training camps were in Libya, again, that evidence is based mainly on the information given through tv outlets and newspapers. The hypocrisy amongst America, lets face it, they are a terrorist state, isn't something I find particularly attractive. Humanitarian aid is used as a smokescreen in certain situations and in this situation I don't deny that they had wanted regime change there for a long time, they wanted regime change there before Hussain was wanted out. The very nature of Islamic extremists doesn't matter on what Gaddafi does or whether he gives their people food and so on, they will still want to continue the war with the rest. It is allegedly written in their religious texts about the infidel and cleansing and all that kind of thing. Although I have not seen such aggressive language in it myself (not studied is closely, just briefly) Not all whites are Anglo Saxon. If we are going to be specific then specific groups of white people would need to be criticised equally. I cannot name Anglo Saxon countries that are poor, because to my knowledge there aren't any. I know the white farmers were pretty well off, I was merely using it as an example of perceived discrimination. That both blacks and whites have treated each other so, but I accept that you reap what you so and for whites to then cry about being treated that why is a bit rich, given the way they treated blacks. I would argue that it could very well be both. Hitler, whilst struggling as an artist was deeply disturbed that German's were not able to get jobs and public unrest in the working class was complaining about the Jews and their high salaries. Strange, given that Hitler was Austrian and not German. I would agree with colonisation and land grabbing having a huge affect. Meant to mention in the other post that American Pharmaceutical companies hold a large responsibility for the expense of medicines and so on in Africa.

That would be nice, if it isn't wikipedia... lol Nah, but at least he is putting some figures across, the effort is there

</p>the bubonic plague wiped out 1/3 of Europe. the trans atlantic slave trade affected 1/3 of Africa and over half of west africa i dont see whats so hard to understand...actually i do. its bcos of the rubbish people in europe are raised to believe about the truth of slavery. so its not surprising its "hard to believe" Interesting

No idea why lol we were pretty much a backward nation before the British invaded. Too busy with our potatoes and alcohol