Rafa sacked?

[The Infamous]

Rafa aint walked until RAWK and Gedo in particular says soNot even gonna lie if Rafa leaves in this fashion I will support the Liverpool pressure club and not watch another game until the Yanks leave the club

[Kompressor]

They ran Corinthians into financial trouble and then sold them off when they were on the verge of administrationHold tite Parry and Moores

Your talking senseMoores saw the pound signs and sold you down the river

[TF S4DK]

They ran Corinthians into financial trouble and then sold them off when they were on the verge of administrationHold tite Parry and Moores

Was only Hicks tho.

[Flojo]

So generally Liverpool fans were all for these guys coming in with their business plans and there profit before honour/success/tradition polocies and now things aren't going right everyone wants to throw their toys out the pram these guys should never of been welcomed they were not supporters of the club and their only concern/interest was how much money they could get from your pockets and the revenue Made your bed so lie in it even though i Hate liverpool with a passion its a damm shame more wasn't done in opposition to the takeover especially after seeing what happened to United sometimes you'll get the exceptions Jack walker at Blackburn, Learner, Roman and the Arabs at City but more times than not these deals end in tears for the fans whereas the men behind the deals walk away unscathed Arsenal fans please take note

Are you an idiot?

General opinion was quite positive but this was because the picture they described and the one they've actually painted is completely different.Even David Moores had the wool pulled over his eyes because he was careful in who he considered as suitable buyers but Gilett & Hicks ticked all the right boxes in terms of their finances and ambitions for the club.

The point i'm trying to make is that you guys should've been more suspisious at the time wasn't anyone thinking these guys are chatting sh*t and that they just want to cash in and make some money of one of the biggest clubs in the world, anyone can outline a whole list of ambitions without having the means or intent of backing it up The fact that their business plans un ravelled so quickly should be evidence enough to say people should've been a lot more cautious about these guys regardless of their sweet talking skills.

You are obviously clever but you start talking about footballing tradition etc and all common sense disappears. People who have enough money to buy football clubs didn't get that wealthy by pouring money into a black hole so it's unlikely they're going to buy a club and just pour cash into it without aiming to see some financial gains. They had a strong sports based portfolio and like TF said they didn't see the recession coming which obviously had a major part to play in their shortcomings.Their are two clubs in the league who have that sort of financial backing and look how they're perceived by almost everyone.I swear it was a group led by Kia Joorabchian that f*cked up Corinthians?

[Younger]

I think MSI took over after Tom Hicks...Basically T.H left the club in a sh*t financial condition and MSI bought the club.

[Flojo]

Oh I see

[TF S4DK]

Hicks lost money and "retired", his partners where left with it and fell out with the Brazilians. Then sold it with there initial promise of a new stadium, never coming.People trafficer Kia was just accused with many others of money laundering, cos Corinithians had a crazy financial turnover in their first year.

[Kompressor]

The point i'm trying to make is that these guys did not have the best interest of Liverpool Fc at heartthey wern't fans, they couldn't care if you won another trophy as long as they made a nice return at the end of each financial year they were in it to make as much money for themselves as possible this was clear.all that gas they were talking about ambitions and what not was empty promises to get the more short sighted fans on side and it worked Its a shame That the two Greatest clubs in the country are run by such complete twats. and more wasn't done in opposition to it by the more long sighted clue up supportersthe recession was fair enough, but thats just a convieniant excuse timing wise, the bad signals were coming before then i'm afraid there relationship with each other just adds to the circus

[TF S4DK]

All owners of football clubs want to make money from them. The Glazers, Hicks, etc... Are no different just they lack the knowledge and tradition of the clubs and in some cases England and English people. Which is why you have Man Utd fans reporting their own club to consumer watchdogs, as some of the new policies they bring in are very un-English.From the point of view of Liverpool fans at the time, they hadn't/haven't won the League in years having watched Arsenal & United battle it out, then Chelsea. United had bigger stadium. Arsenal had the new stadium. Chelsea had the cunts money. So long-term they all looked financially sound. Liverpool felt they ran the risk of being left behind without a new stadium, which was only coming via a takeover or years of on the pitch successes. So when one, well two, comes along promising to pay for a new stadium out of their own pockets so the club can continue to challenge on the pitch via its revenue, it was too tempting.

[Younger]

Also when it was out of DIC and G&H that c*nt Moores decided on G&H as he would pocket an extra £8million.

[HangTheDJ]

So would it be fair to say most Liverpool fans want DIC?

[Kompressor]

Also when it was out of DIC and G&H that c*nt Moores decided on G&H as he would pocket an extra £8million.

This is the biggest pointMoores should be strung up for that. All he cared about was how his bank accounts looked after the takeover.by the way How much did Liverpool get sold for in the end?

[Younger]

by the way How much did Liverpool get sold for in the end?

Around £220 Million...If memory serves me correct the reason why the DIC offer was not accepted was because Parry said that DIC tried to bully the sale. They basically gave a deadline and Parry wasnt happy with that.Moores was quoted saying something like if DIC buy Liverpool there intentions would be to make the stadium, buy players with no debt on the club. The only problem he had was that the majority of investments that DIC make they tend to sell it off after about 7-10 years for a profit. Moores wanted stability at the club. LMAO at that clown.

[Younger]

Also no one can deny that Liverpool FC are an attractive investment...Theres been many offers from Kuwait, DIC, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum himself but from time them fat cunts want £420-£500million each im afraid my beloved club will be under those cunts for a few years still.

[Kompressor]

ok, what happened to the idea that fans group had to buy the club, has that been forgotten or is it still a possibility

[Younger]

ok, what happened to the idea that fans group had to buy the club, has that been forgotten or is it still a possibility

Its a posibility BUT the initial fees involved were ridiculous. I cant remember what it was at the moment but it was something like people pay like £5000 each. But the new proposals are different in the sense that its something like £50. I dont really know too much about that if im honest.

[Kompressor]

Also no one can deny that Liverpool FC are an attractive investment...Theres been many offers from Kuwait, DIC, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum himself but from time them fat cunts want £420-£500million each im afraid my beloved club will be under those cunts for a few years still.Thats exactly why they bought the club.Build a new stadium (using some of the clubs own finances)secure new sponsership dealsthen sell on for a profit they just probably over estimated Liverpools earning potential success would've been a pleasant bonus, The two of them are scumbags even if they are f*ck*ng up the team i hate most.

[Younger]

Kompressor if your interested this is the proposal... Quite long but it tells you everything about the idea, fees involved, who will own the club, how it will be run etc...http://www.shareliverpoolfc.co.uk/index.ph...tailed-proposal

[TF S4DK]

by the way How much did Liverpool get sold for in the end?

Around £220 Million...If memory serves me correct the reason why the DIC offer was not accepted was because Parry said that DIC tried to bully the sale. They basically gave a deadline and Parry wasnt happy with that.Moores was quoted saying something like if DIC buy Liverpool there intentions would be to make the stadium, buy players with no debt on the club. The only problem he had was that the majority of investments that DIC make they tend to sell it off after about 7-10 years for a profit. Moores wanted stability at the club. LMAO at that clown.

DIC had too much money, and when someone has too much money in business. They tend to feel they don't have to learn the "Liverpool way", Liverpool have to learn there way... Parry probably knew he'd be out of a job. Ironically he still is.

[Younger]

One for all you to laugh at our pathetic owners...

Liverpool FC are being made to pay almost £2m to cover the travel, legal and other personal expenses of the club's owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett. The accounts published for the owners' holding company, Kop Football, for the year to 31 July 2008, show that Hicks charged £192,000 for "third party consulting, travel and other expenses," while Gillett charged £129,000 for "reimbursable travel, legal, personnel and other expenses".The two men charged significant amounts of money for the same expenses, incurred by themselves personally "and affiliated companies", during the previous seven-month accounting period, which ran from 18 December 2006 to 31 July 2007, too. Hicks charged Kop £198,000, while Gillett charged £375,000.The pair also claimed almost £1m for what are described in the accounts as "transaction-related expenses". Hicks and affiliated companies charged Kop £133,000 in this category, while Gillett's figure was much higher: £823,000. The total charged to Kop in expenses, for the owners and their affiliated companies, in 18 months from their takeover in early February 2007 to the accounts' end date of 31 July 2008, was £1.85m.

[Kompressor]

That is beyond a jokeI should be laughing but i can't even bring myself to

[TF S4DK]

How many escorts and Presidential suites you reckon they got for that p?

[TF S4DK]

RAFA BENITEZ and Franck Ribery have been dragged innocently into a betting scam worth hundreds of thousands of pounds.Neither Benitez nor Ribery had anything whatsoever to do with the bets but their names were all that a sophisticated syndicate needed to pull off the coup.Last week, the odds on Benitez to become the first Premier League manager to lose his job were unexpectedly slashed from 18-1 to just 6-4 in three hours.One betting firm closed its book on the bet.Ribery, meanwhile, was backed from 66-1 to 3-1 to join Liverpool from Bayern Munich.Again, the majority of the bets were placed in a single day and there was absolutely no substance to the story.Instead, there is grave concern both 'bets' were manufactured by an organised group, who deliberately placed thousands of pounds on Rafa leaving and Ribery moving in order to force the odds to tumble.Then, with the entire market braced for both events to happen, the syndicate bet even more money on the exact opposite - Rafa to STAY at Liverpool and Ribery to STAY at Bayern!Analysts are convinced the syndicate bet five times more on Rafa remaining than they originally placed on him going, safe in the knowledge they had made it all up about his departure in the first place.So, for example, if £10,000 was staked on Benitez going, they then placed another £50,000 that he would not be the first manager sacked.When another boss is eventually fired, the syndicate will collect £50,000 at even money from bets made mainly on the betting exchange markets.I can reveal these two instances of manipulation of a market in the last month have raised alarm bells within the gambling industry.In the case of Benitez, the flurry of money started in Liverpool but subsequently spread across the north west and London.The initial money is believed to have been staked in a handful of large bets with two firms - placed on the accounts of 'high-roller' clients.And the people at the centre of it are very much aware of how best to whip up a storm. I am told an anonymous tip-off was made to a Mersey-side radio station, claiming Benitez had stormed out of Liverpool's training complex on Tuesday morning.With a game against Stoke at Anfield that night, the manager was not even at Melwood.AdvertisementYet that fib got the rumour mill in full flow and football websites were soon trumpeting the news of a potential bust-up between club and manager.Betting firms looked at the money being staked and the gathering speed of the story and adjusted the odds.Some even had their PR teams putting out press releases, while others appeared on TV to debate the issue.All of which suggests this is a well-organised, well-funded racket exploiting the expanding interest in gambling.Sources within the betting industry estimate that between £200-£300k has been placed.In the case of the Ribery bet, the total amount that was staked was around £12,000. But that was enough to create a market interest, which allowed more than treble that amount to be laid off against him signing for Liverpool.It is believed Ribery was a trial run ahead of the much bigger plan for the Benitez bet.Unfortunately, the biggest losers in this sting are the ordinary punters placing bets on Rafa to leave, trusting the sudden drop in odds means something is up at Anfield.They have no idea the entire market is being manipulated to present a fake picture.Bookies call it 'the chase', when one big bet on an unexpected outcome rolls into a flurry of smaller ones trying to get on the back of what they think is good information.All of the major firms and exchanges are aware of the potential for manufactured or manipulated markets and this kind of betting is not illegal.But at a time when Football League players have been banned and fined for match fixing and sports from cricket to tennis are under scrutiny, how can they ignore the problem?This is a serious issue and one the industry needs to act upon.

[BATTY BOY BUM BANDIT]

Wow.People were getting gazumped differently.