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Yo remember that Classic albums documentary for reasonable doubt that was on bbc1 a while ago

On wiki it says there is one for Illmatic

Has anyone seen this or know where I can watch/download it from?

Thanks (Y)

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Whats the title of the programme, ill have a search on forums I use

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f*ck Jay-Z, Reasonable Doubt is SO f*ck*ng OVERRATED.

It's only gained this "classic" status retrospectively, since Jay-Z's become so famous.

It wasn't seen as an instant classic when it came out, like 36 Chambers or The Chronic, or even Illmatic.

Classic my arse, it's a good 90s NY rap album, nothing more.

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f*ck Jay-Z, Reasonable Doubt is SO f*ck*ng OVERRATED.

It's only gained this "classic" status retrospectively, since Jay-Z's become so famous.

It wasn't seen as an instant classic when it came out, like 36 Chambers or The Chronic, or even Illmatic.

Classic my arse, it's a good 90s NY rap album, nothing more.

c/s

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reasonable doubt rox !*

*no foxxy brown on my version.

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c/s the anti jay-z movement

reasonable doubt has some silly tracks though

can I live

...whatever track it is that samples the stylistics 'this way again'

this way, this way, this way again...

Polotics as Usual (best track/beat on the album)

and some others

but those were the best on the album

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pretty sure you guys just dislike jay z, don't see how a fan of hip hop couldn't like that album without some personal bias. great production and great lyrics. ain't no nigga is garbage and i can do without 22 2's but that's it.

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lol wtf

didn't say i disliked the album

just said it had silly tracks (as in good)

he as a rapper / human can drown in a vat of zebra piss though

Bring it on

feelin it

politics

cant knock the hustle

can i live (only the original, part 2 was shite)

regrets

dead pres II

d'evils

22 twos

all disgusting

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LOL, a classic album doesn't have to be labelled as such immediately upon release...

However, I do think Jay-Z's increased celebrity over the past few years has contributed to RD being labelled a classic.

PMSL @ Reasonable Doubt not being a classic though. R9 dun the thread already...

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lol I was wondering how long it would be until you appeared.

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oh.. that's your bad tbh @ cipher

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lol was gonna say its all down to mike kane tbh

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Didn't Wavesurfer start the Jay-Z talk?

Lemme breathe man, can I live?

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pretty sure you guys just dislike jay z, don't see how a fan of hip hop couldn't like that album without some personal bias. great production and great lyrics. ain't no nigga is garbage and i can do without 22 2's but that's it.

As I said, it's a good album.

Just pisses me off when people talk about it like it's some kind of unimpeachable classic. Look at the list of "classics" they made thse shows about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Albums

Illmatic and RD are the only rap albums there. Illmatic deserves it, but to put RD there is a travesty.

The only reason it's spoken/written about in that way is that Jay-Z's current public profile/ubiquity in pop culture is far greater than Raekwon/Redman/Black Moon/Big L/Smif N Wessun/GZA/Ghostface/CNN/Mobb Deep/innumerable other NY Rappers and groups who made better albums in that era.

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pretty sure you guys just dislike jay z, don't see how a fan of hip hop couldn't like that album without some personal bias. great production and great lyrics. ain't no nigga is garbage and i can do without 22 2's but that's it.

As I said, it's a good album.

Just pisses me off when people talk about it like it's some kind of unimpeachable classic. Look at the list of "classics" they made thse shows about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Albums

Illmatic and RD are the only rap albums there. Illmatic deserves it, but to put RD there is a travesty.

The only reason it's spoken/written about in that way is that Jay-Z's current public profile/ubiquity in pop culture is far greater than Raekwon/Redman/Black Moon/Big L/Smif N Wessun/GZA/Ghostface/CNN/Mobb Deep/innumerable other NY Rappers and groups who made better albums in that era.

yeah no doubt that jay's public standing is a big factor towards them adding it to the classic album series, the other factor though is that it's a legitimately classic album (or at least arguable). that's a mix they're never gonna pass up on.

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pretty sure you guys just dislike jay z, don't see how a fan of hip hop couldn't like that album without some personal bias. great production and great lyrics. ain't no nigga is garbage and i can do without 22 2's but that's it.

As I said, it's a good album.

Just pisses me off when people talk about it like it's some kind of unimpeachable classic. Look at the list of "classics" they made thse shows about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Albums

Illmatic and RD are the only rap albums there. Illmatic deserves it, but to put RD there is a travesty.

The only reason it's spoken/written about in that way is that Jay-Z's current public profile/ubiquity in pop culture is far greater than Raekwon/Redman/Black Moon/Big L/Smif N Wessun/GZA/Ghostface/CNN/Mobb Deep/innumerable other NY Rappers and groups who made better albums in that era.

Alright, U right

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I'm not mad at them for making a programme about it. They've got to make shows mainstream people will watch, and noone's gonna watch a show about Dah Shinin' or Ironman.

I just don't think RD is worthy of the praise it gets, from hip-hop fans or from outsiders.

It's a good album, by a rapper whose public persona now overshadows all of his music IMO, past and present.

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pretty sure you guys just dislike jay z, don't see how a fan of hip hop couldn't like that album without some personal bias. great production and great lyrics. ain't no nigga is garbage and i can do without 22 2's but that's it.

As I said, it's a good album.

Just pisses me off when people talk about it like it's some kind of unimpeachable classic. Look at the list of "classics" they made thse shows about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Albums

Illmatic and RD are the only rap albums there. Illmatic deserves it, but to put RD there is a travesty.

The only reason it's spoken/written about in that way is that Jay-Z's current public profile/ubiquity in pop culture is far greater than Raekwon/Redman/Black Moon/Big L/Smif N Wessun/GZA/Ghostface/CNN/Mobb Deep/innumerable other NY Rappers and groups who made better albums in that era.

Alright, U right

Congratulations Flat Eric, you listened to the new Cam'ron mixtape.

You've dropped that line twice now and noone's LOL'ed yet, so take this:

:lol:

And f*ck off.

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Doesn't even make sense in that context.

f*ck*ng cretin.

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we agree on the tv attracting viewers slant so i'll just chalk the RD discretion down to opinion.

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