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Jack Straw: Some white girls are 'easy meat' for abuse

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Jack Straw: "We need to get the Pakistani community to think much more clearly about why this is going on"

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Former home secretary Jack Straw has said some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex abuse.

The Blackburn MP was speaking after two Asian men who abused girls in Derby were given indeterminate jail terms.

He said there was a "specific problem" in some areas where Pakistani men "target vulnerable white girls".

But Keith Vaz, chairman of the home affairs select committee, said it was not a cultural problem and it was wrong to stereotype a whole community.

And Barnados chief executive Martin Narey said the case was more about vulnerable children of all races who were at risk from abuse.

On Friday, Mohammed Liaqat, 28, and Abid Saddique, 27, were jailed at Nottingham Crown Court after being found guilty at a trial in November of charges including rape.

The judge in the case said the race of the victims and their abusers was "coincidental".

However, speaking on the BBC's Newsnight programme after the case, Mr Straw said vulnerable white girls were at risk of being targeted by some Asian men.

The string of convictions in cities such as Rotherham, Preston, Blackburn, Rochdale and now Derby have more often than not involved Asian men, specifically men of Pakistani origin, and mainly Muslim.”

He said his own constituency was one of the areas where it was a problem and called on the Pakistani community to be "more open" about the abuse.

He said: "Pakistanis, let's be clear, are not the only people who commit sexual offences, and overwhelmingly the sex offenders' wings of prisons are full of white sex offenders.

"But there is a specific problem which involves Pakistani heritage men... who target vulnerable young white girls.

"We need to get the Pakistani community to think much more clearly about why this is going on and to be more open about the problems that are leading to a number of Pakistani heritage men thinking it is OK to target white girls in this way."

Mr Straw added: "These young men are in a western society, in any event, they act like any other young men, they're fizzing and popping with testosterone, they want some outlet for that, but Pakistani heritage girls are off-limits and they are expected to marry a Pakistani girl from Pakistan, typically," he said.

"So they then seek other avenues and they see these young women, white girls who are vulnerable, some of them in care... who they think are easy meat.

"Because they're vulnerable they ply them with gifts, they give them drugs, and then of course they're trapped."

But Mr Vaz, who said he represented many men of Pakistani origin in his Leicester constituency, stressed the judge in the Derby case had said the crimes were not "racially aggravated".

He told the BBC's Today programme: "What I don't think we can do is say that this is a cultural problem. One can accept the evidence which is put before us about patterns and networks but to go that step further I think is pretty dangerous."

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It's a form of racism that's abhorrent in a civilised society”

End Quote Mohammed Shafiq Ramadhan Foundation He added: "Why didn't Jack Straw say something about this (before)? He has represented Blackburn for 31 years, he's been the home secretary."

Liaqat and Saddique were the ringleaders of a gang which groomed and abused teenage girls, ranging in age from 12 to 18.

Many of the gang's victims were given alcohol or drugs before being forced to have sex in cars, rented houses or hotels across the Midlands.

Saddique, from Normanton, Derby, was jailed for at least 11 years and Liaqat, from the Sinfin area of the city, was locked up for a minimum of eight years.

Six other men had already been sentenced for their part in the abuse.

'Self-fulfilling prophecy' Mohammed Shafiq, director of the Muslim youth group the Ramadhan Foundation, said the abuse was fuelled by racism in parts of the Asian community.

"There is a perception that some of these young men do not see white girls as equal, as valuable, of high moral standing as they see their own daughters, and their own sisters, and I think that's wrong," he said.

"It's a form of racism that's abhorrent in a civilised society."

_50708401_liaqat_siddique304.jpg Mohammed Liaqat (left) and Abid Saddique, 27 were convicted of rape Martin Narey, chief executive of Barnardo's, said: "If there is one good thing which comes out of the Derby case it's that police will realise it's happening everywhere. It's happening in towns and cities wherever there are vulnerable girls, and in some cases boys."

But he said: "I certainly don't think it's just a Pakistani thing. My staff would say there is an over-representation of people from ethnic minority groups among perpetrators - Afghans, people from Arabic nations, Pakistanis. But it's not just one nation."

He called for more research and said: "I don't think this is so much about targeting white girls - because there black girls are also victims - it's about targeting vulnerable, isolated girls.

"And I don't sign up to the proposition that these men convicted yesterday would not have abused a vulnerable Asian girl if one had been available to them."

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Oh dear, Jack Straw.

His comments are idiotic and naive in a place like Blackburn, surely.

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Thought someone would of dropped an Afgoon headline.

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whole thing is ridiculous dunno why they bring race into it, 2 asian paedophiles (for a change) n they going on like everyone wants white meat f*ck off white men been raping any and every race for years

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Guys just Salty cuz even the slaggiest of white women aren't going for that weak pipe game he's pushing

It's peak when your so socially untouchable, you can climb the ladder financially and have the best job possible, but can still only get women of your own race through business contacts and arranged marriages

unlucky

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From Normanton lol

tempted to chuck benefit of the doubt to these guys..

U know them white girls that jump on the ethnic hype cos daddys racist.. then afterward regret it cos he didnt actually want to yout and council house

yeahhh...Normanton

THATS UNFAIR THOUGH...THERES NO BLACK IN THE UNION JACK SO SEND THEM GOOKS BACK

huh

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Guys just Salty cuz even the slaggiest of white women aren't going for that weak pipe game he's pushing

It's peak when your so socially untouchable, you can climb the ladder financially and have the best job possible, but can still only get women of your own race through business contacts and arranged marriages

unlucky

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nonsense

black guys tend to deal with the worst of the white women.. slaggy types uneducated chavvettes

asian guys who do the interracial thing tend to find the middle class liberal rich ones with educations....

you dnot move in those circles though so il let it go...

end of the day white girls are easier

they are a commodity in a way asians girls are not - they dont look after their women like asians do... white slags are on the roads 12 14 13 years of age drinkin and sexing... i dont see wht these men did as abuse of any nature..

when ive spent time up north in out the way towns where there arnt any ethnics ive had 14 year olds approach me and my boy in subway wantin to come in our cars and sh*t askin for a lifts where are you from etc... no comment on what occurred in those situations but these girls ARE NOT innncent and vunerable - they love it and they deserve to be abused and used

white people are just pissed because of this fact...

IN SUMMARY - f*ck these crackas im takin everythin from them.. their money .. their women ... we will breed them out of their own country in 200 years and do it smilin and playin the game of 'integration'

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Guys just Salty cuz even the slaggiest of white women aren't going for that weak pipe game he's pushing

It's peak when your so socially untouchable, you can climb the ladder financially and have the best job possible, but can still only get women of your own race through business contacts and arranged marriages

unlucky

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nonsense

black guys tend to deal with the worst of the white women.. slaggy types uneducated chavvettes

asian guys who do the interracial thing tend to find the middle class liberal rich ones with educations....

you dnot move in those circles though so il let it go...

end of the day white girls are easier

they are a commodity in a way asians girls are not - they dont look after their women like asians do... white slags are on the roads 12 14 13 years of age drinkin and sexing... i dont see wht these men did as abuse of any nature..

when ive spent time up north in out the way towns where there arnt any ethnics ive had 14 year olds approach me and my boy in subway wantin to come in our cars and sh*t askin for a lifts where are you from etc... no comment on what occurred in those situations but these girls ARE NOT innncent and vunerable - they love it and they deserve to be abused and used

white people are just pissed because of this fact...

IN SUMMARY - f*ck these crackas im takin everythin from them.. their money .. their women ... we will breed them out of their own country in 200 years and do it smilin and playin the game of 'integration'

f*ck off home u dirty paki lets be honest you aint gona do sh*t, you aint takin over no ones country

nonce

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i'm fascinated to know what Mr straw has based these claims on.

Does he have any inside info or stats that we dont know about?

And white women been seen as easy meat is not a new thing, all parts of society are aware of this.

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Guys just Salty cuz even the slaggiest of white women aren't going for that weak pipe game he's pushing

It's peak when your so socially untouchable, you can climb the ladder financially and have the best job possible, but can still only get women of your own race through business contacts and arranged marriages

unlucky

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nonsense

black guys tend to deal with the worst of the white women.. slaggy types uneducated chavvettes

asian guys who do the interracial thing tend to find the middle class liberal rich ones with educations....

you dnot move in those circles though so il let it go...

end of the day white girls are easier

they are a commodity in a way asians girls are not - they dont look after their women like asians do... white slags are on the roads 12 14 13 years of age drinkin and sexing... i dont see wht these men did as abuse of any nature..

when ive spent time up north in out the way towns where there arnt any ethnics ive had 14 year olds approach me and my boy in subway wantin to come in our cars and sh*t askin for a lifts where are you from etc... no comment on what occurred in those situations but these girls ARE NOT innncent and vunerable - they love it and they deserve to be abused and used

white people are just pissed because of this fact...

IN SUMMARY - f*ck these crackas im takin everythin from them.. their money .. their women ... we will breed them out of their own country in 200 years and do it smilin and playin the game of 'integration'

you're so gassed :lol:

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And white women been seen as easy meat is not a new thing, all parts of society are aware of this.

Thats like saying all parts of society are aware black men are muggers

Not about stereotyping a whole gender of a race

Ignorance breeds ignorance

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And white women been seen as easy meat is not a new thing, all parts of society are aware of this.

Thats like saying all parts of society are aware black men are muggers

Not about stereotyping a whole gender of a race

Ignorance breeds ignorance

let me put it this way, i wasn't asserting the statement was true, just saying its widespread

but im more interested in knowing if mr straw based his opinions on similar hearsays or theres any proof

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Nah but thun white girls are easier

This is a fact of life

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no idea why this guy dropped that. nt even like he said it secretly n it leaked.

ethnic minorites are always under the microscope, even minor things that happen are sensationalised into epidemics

12/13 years olds been gettin banged by all typa guys when i was in school in year 7 one chick had a 20 year old boyfriend n no one even cared, used to talk all this sex sh*t, cnt lie i wanted to hit.

but yea, its nt a Pakistani problem, its these guys that like controlling young girls, how u gonna be 24 f*ckin a 12 year old?, them ones that buy these cars n park outside schools, had bare turning up to my school

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whole thing is ridiculous dunno why they bring race into it, 2 asian paedophiles (for a change) n they going on like everyone wants white meat f*ck off white men been raping any and every race for years

Nah you d*ck.

I think it was 54 of 56 men convicted in the last few years have been Asian

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c/s some of what afgoon said. a lot of these girls are trash, what kind of 14 year old is on the street at 2am getting into random guy's cars? their families are garbage

still doesn't change the fact that the 25-50 year old asians having sex with them are scum/borderline paedos

also some of these girls are very vulnerable/mentally disturbed, living in care etc wouldn't touch with a bargepole personally

afgoon still has that afghan mentality about women being commodities/property that don't require emotions and can be traded and discarded

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And white women been seen as easy meat is not a new thing, all parts of society are aware of this.

Thats like saying all parts of society are aware black men are muggers

Not about stereotyping a whole gender of a race

Ignorance breeds ignorance

let me put it this way, i wasn't asserting the statement was true, just saying its widespread

but im more interested in knowing if mr straw based his opinions on similar hearsays or theres any proof

the proof is police records and a times investigation which shows that like 95% of men convited for grooming and controlling young girls in the last few years have been of pakistani descent

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whole thing is ridiculous dunno why they bring race into it, 2 asian paedophiles (for a change) n they going on like everyone wants white meat f*ck off white men been raping any and every race for years

Nah you d*ck.

I think it was 54 of 56 men convicted in the last few years have been Asian

convited of what paedophilia? rape?

are these stats true?

if so i take back what i said, kill em all

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whole thing is ridiculous dunno why they bring race into it, 2 asian paedophiles (for a change) n they going on like everyone wants white meat f*ck off white men been raping any and every race for years

Nah you d*ck.

I think it was 54 of 56 men convicted in the last few years have been Asian

convited of what paedophilia? rape?

are these stats true?

if so i take back what i said, kill em all

I beg your pardon, I was wrong by a figure of 1

In 17 court cases since 1997 where men were prosecuted, 53 of the 56 people found guilty were Asian, 50 of them Muslim, while just three were white, according to The Times.

Five Asian men were jailed in November 2010 for 32 years for sexual offences against girls aged between 12 and 16 in Rotherham, South Yorkshire.

Judge Peter Kelson said the men were "sexual predators".

Mohammed Shafiq, director of Lancashire-based Ramadhan Foundation, a charity working for harmony, said: "I think the police are overcautious because they are afraid of being branded racist."

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ye but thats not proper paedo behaviou

these girls are developed sexually and on the roads

pedo behaviour is prior to puberty young kids/babys... and that is squarely the WHITE MANS area of abuse

where are the figures for that.. its ALL white people...

those are figures for jus a this type of behaviour

its more sexual predator behaviour not paedofphilia

i co sign yuri and david... some of these white people are utter scum who dont want to address the real issues of their broken society...

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ye but thats not proper paedo behaviou

these girls are developed sexually and on the roads

pedo behaviour is prior to puberty young kids/babys... and that is squarely the WHITE MANS area of abuse

where are the figures for that.. its ALL white people...

those are figures for jus a this type of behaviour

its more sexual predator behaviour not paedofphilia

i co sign yuri and david... some of these white people are utter scum who dont want to address the real issues of their broken society...

to be fair the times made it very clear that internet paedophilia is the white man's domain and gave a lot of stats that proved it (i think it was 95% of men convicted for internet child offences were white)

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these girls are developed sexually and on the roads

:lol:

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The Times investigation is based around 56 men convicted in the Midlands and north of England since 1997, 50 from Muslim backgrounds. Granted, such prosecutions are notoriously difficult to sustain, but, nonetheless, this is a small sample used to evidence the "tidal wave" of offending referred to by unnamed police sources. Martin Narey, the chief executive of Barnardo's, which has run projects in the areas concerned for many years, tells me that, while he is pleased to see open discussion of child sexual exploitation, he worries that "decent Pakistani men will now be looked at as potential child abusers". He insists: "This is not just about Pakistani men, and not just about Asian men. And it is happening all over the country."

While Narey acknowledges that "in the Midlands and north of England there does seem to be an over-representation of minority ethnic men in [offending] groups", he argues strongly that no useful conclusions can be drawn until the government undertakes a serious piece of research into what is a nationwide problem. (Keith Vaz, who chairs the Commons home affairs select committee called for such an inquiry today.) Narey also refutes the allegation that Muslim men are grooming white girls because of cultural assumptions about their sexual availability, as girls from minority backgrounds have been similarly abused.

Thus no official data exists on the ethnic or religious background of perpetrators of this form of child abuse, and local charities have stated publicly that they do not consider it a race issue. But it is worth noting that, when asked by the Times to collate its recent work according to ethnicity, Engage – based in Blackburn and one of the largest multi-agency organisations working on this issue – found that in the past year that 80% of offenders were white.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/07/grooming-racialising-crime-tradition

I'm sure it will further lead to cries that Britian "p*ssy foots around" Muslims.

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Afgoon seriously said that these girls love it. f*ck*ng hell you're so unbelievable.

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when ive spent time up north in out the way towns where there arnt any ethnics ive had 14 year olds approach me and my boy in subway wantin to come in our cars and sh*t askin for a lifts where are you from etc...

no comment on what occurred in those situations but these girls ARE NOT innncent and vunerable - they love it and they deserve to be abused and used

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The Times investigation is based around 56 men convicted in the Midlands and north of England since 1997, 50 from Muslim backgrounds. Granted, such prosecutions are notoriously difficult to sustain, but, nonetheless, this is a small sample used to evidence the "tidal wave" of offending referred to by unnamed police sources. Martin Narey, the chief executive of Barnardo's, which has run projects in the areas concerned for many years, tells me that, while he is pleased to see open discussion of child sexual exploitation, he worries that "decent Pakistani men will now be looked at as potential child abusers". He insists: "This is not just about Pakistani men, and not just about Asian men. And it is happening all over the country."

While Narey acknowledges that "in the Midlands and north of England there does seem to be an over-representation of minority ethnic men in [offending] groups", he argues strongly that no useful conclusions can be drawn until the government undertakes a serious piece of research into what is a nationwide problem. (Keith Vaz, who chairs the Commons home affairs select committee called for such an inquiry today.) Narey also refutes the allegation that Muslim men are grooming white girls because of cultural assumptions about their sexual availability, as girls from minority backgrounds have been similarly abused.

Thus no official data exists on the ethnic or religious background of perpetrators of this form of child abuse, and local charities have stated publicly that they do not consider it a race issue. But it is worth noting that, when asked by the Times to collate its recent work according to ethnicity, Engage – based in Blackburn and one of the largest multi-agency organisations working on this issue – found that in the past year that 80% of offenders were white.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/07/grooming-racialising-crime-tradition

I'm sure it will further lead to cries that Britian "p*ssy foots around" Muslims.

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Afgoon seriously said that these girls love it. f*ck*ng hell you're so unbelievable.

so what, they caried out the research in places where there are large asian populations? wtf

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