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State multiculturalism has failed, says David Cameron

Mr Cameron will signal a tougher stance on groups promoting Islamist extremism

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The prime minister will criticise "state multiculturalism" in his first speech on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism since being elected.

Addressing a security conference in Germany, David Cameron will argue the UK needs a stronger national identity to prevent people turning to extremism.

Different cultures are encouraged to live apart, and objectionable views met with "passive tolerance", he will say.

He will also signal a tougher stance on groups promoting Islamist extremism.

Mr Cameron is to suggest there will be greater scrutiny of some Muslim groups that get public money but do little to tackle extremism.

Ministers should refuse to share platforms or engage with such groups, which should be denied access to public funds and barred from spreading their message in universities and prisons, he will argue.

"Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism," the prime minister will say.

"Let's properly judge these organisations: Do they believe in universal human rights - including for women and people of other faiths? Do they believe in equality of all before the law? Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government? Do they encourage integration or separatism?

"These are the sorts of questions we need to ask. Fail these tests and the presumption should be not to engage with organisations," he will add.

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We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values”

David Cameron

BBC political correspondent Ben Wright said the prime minister would be delivering a stark message to his audience in Munich - that European countries must "wake up to what's happening within their borders".

Mr Cameron will draw a clear distinction between Islam the religion and what he describes as "Islamist extremism" - a political ideology he says attracts people who feel "rootless" within their own countries.

"We need to be clear: Islamist extremism and Islam are not the same thing."

The government is currently reviewing its policy to prevent violent extremism, known as Prevent, which is a key part of its wider counter-terrorism strategy.

The short speech will make it clear that Mr Cameron wants a stronger sense of citizenship and national belonging to replace an approach he thinks has failed, added our correspondent.

'I am a Londoner too'

A genuinely liberal country "believes in certain values and actively promotes them," Mr Cameron will say.

"Freedom of speech. Freedom of worship. Democracy. The rule of law. Equal rights, regardless of race, sex or sexuality.

"It says to its citizens: This is what defines us as a society. To belong here is to believe these things.

"Each of us in our own countries must be unambiguous and hard-nosed about this defence of our liberty."

He will say that under the "doctrine of state multiculturalism", different cultures have been encouraged to live separate lives.

"We have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong. We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values."

Building a stronger sense of national and local identity holds "the key to achieving true cohesion" by allowing people to say "I am a Muslim, I am a Hindu, I am a Christian, but I am a Londoner... too", he will say.

do you agree?

I personally think it's gone too far

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swear weve seen this thread before?

afgoon come tru and drop some fire so we can lock this.

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We didn't do it before, that was when Angela Merkel said multiculturalism in Germany has failed

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A stronger national identity won't stop people turning to extremism. America is full of idiots with a strong national identity and they all want to destroy something/someone.

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*in before all the screams of how tolerant our kind guests are*

the f*ck did i do wrong for you to tolerate me?

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*in before all the screams of how tolerant our kind guests are*

the f*ck did i do wrong for you to tolerate me?

so your an extremist then?

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Cameron is appeasing his Munich audience.

But generally to the thread:

awnonotthisshitagain.jpg

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it all coming out..

slowly but surely

the thin veneer of tolerance and respect is cracking and the true nature of the white mans feelings are being revealed

all i know is that when it pops of i will be on the front line in traditional afghan dress with a machete in one hand and the quran in another and i'l chew the f*ck*ng nose of 20 over excited crackas men women or children before im put down like a dog in the streets i was raised into

the white man will have his land back over the dead body of ethnic minority suprpremacist matyrs who dont subscribe to the feral english culture of beer ignorance and darts at ali pali

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it all coming out..

slowly but surely

the thin veneer of tolerance and respect is cracking and the true nature of the white mans feelings are being revealed

all i know is that when it pops of i will be on the front line in traditional afghan dress with a machete in one hand and the quran in another

Bitch please, you'll be somewhere in the back, in a traditional Afghan dress with an adolescent boy in one hand and your d*ck in the other.

f*ck*ng nerd.

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LOL @ Afgoon, swear you voted for the guy. GTFOH

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Cameron is appeasing his Munich audience.

But generally to the thread:

awnonotthisshitagain.jpg

thats it really

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lol nah seriously though i agree with d cam

sick of these burqa-ed up women and bearded muslims cloggin up roads on friday prayers

sick of all the bullshit rhetoric about israel and the united states

end of the day i can do what i want in britain... i dont agree with its foreign policy and i would never applaud the soldiers but i can acccept his argument

white people also need to evolve they cant stay behind their avoidance of ethnic minortys and white flight .. those tactics have been exposed

wave surfer i'l punch u square in your nose when im don with exams im come and smash my medical txtbook in your kidney .. have u folded up like an origami swan u mouldy haggis

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swear weve seen this thread before?

yea Merkel said it a while back (bout Germany, not Britain), i made the topic

check this

she made the statement to the youth wing of her party

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LOL Afgoon we both know you'll do nothing of the sort, you cave-dwelling boy-touching subservient coward.

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Cameron is appeasing his Munich audience.

But generally to the thread:

awnonotthisshitagain.jpg

thats it really

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http://www.economist.com/blogs/blighty/2011/02/attitudes_immigration

interesting article about how racist britain is, there's another one on there about 'londonism' how london's attitude towards it's place in the world is so much different to britain's but i can't be bothered to find it. it's worth looking up though.

rah a quater think legal migrants shouldnt get NHS treatment? like they dnt pay national insurance?

thats f*cked, dnt know whats the demographics of the people they surveyed though so i dont really know how to take that

*carries on reading*

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Britain has a hyperactive press, and many papers offer up an almost daily diet of articles that show immigrants in an unpleasant light.

NAIL ON THE HEAD, obv if they keep printing and printing this stuff it becomes an issue for people

gonna read the London one now

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wave surfer i'l punch u square in your nose when im don with exams im come and smash my medical txtbook in your kidney .. have u folded up like an origami swan u mouldy haggis

:lol:

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Cameron is such a d*ckhead, BNP already using his words to fuel their agenda.

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