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New book about Fields and Holly St war

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Just seen posted:

http://londonstreetgangs.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/book-review-freedom-from-womb-prisoner.html

For those who can't be f*cked with reading, there's a video also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiaCEXoiDNk

Book Review

Freedom from the womb, prisoner to the streets

Author: Robyn Travis

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I had the privilege of being one of the very first people to read Robyn Travis’ new book, Freedom from the Womb, Prisoner to the Streets (abbreviated as P2TS from herein).

Here at London Street Gangs, we have spent over several years documenting what has been regarded as a burgeoning gang culture facing the streets of London, even before the police and politicians were willing to publicly accept that gangs might even exist.

Following the extremely concerning rise in the volume of teen homicides in 2007 and 2008, which saw almost 60 teenagers lose their lives, Londoners descended into a moral panic spurred on by exaggerated and sensationalised media reports of a feral underclass and a gang culture approaching something akin to the United States.

This crucial period where we should have been attempting to understand the problem in real terms and begin to address the root causes was lost, and instead the problem was simply reduced to one of “gangs”. Gangs were deemed to be the issue, and all of a sudden a reluctance to label young people in groups as gangs was turned into a situation where every group of young people, especially in deprived inner city communities, was now being afforded the label.

Whilst the government and authorities came up with knee-jerk responses, focussed predominantly on enforcement tactics, a number of journalists and authors capitalised on the issue. Swathes of media reports and books were published, often taking insight from young men purporting to be gang members who appropriately confirmed many of the stereotypes we might gain from watching US urban dramas. Even Ross Kemp jumped on the bandwagon with the at times ludicrous ‘Ross Kemp: Teenage Gangs of South London’.

Michael W Story sums it up well in his brief presentation on ‘London’s 66,000 guns’ where he points out such stereotypes – the gritty urban scenes, rap music, council estates and claims by young people that they ‘can get access to sub-machine guns in a matter of minutes’. Many of those gang members that defined the content of such media reports and other publications were young men, impressionable and wanting to tell their story, about how theirgangs were violent, that they had atrocious upbringings that confined them to lives of crime as long as they could remember.

The stories we saw were bleak, and to many people they would have been shocking eye-openers to a world alien to most. However, it would not be completely out of the question to consider that young people are quite capable of telling lies, of boasting, and trying to boost their ego and enhance their own reputations, you all saw the Sky News interview with alleged looters by the River Thames in south-east London following the riots. Did anyone buy it?

Robyn, was perceived to be a gang member, although he wouldn’t describe himself as such despite earning a bad boy reputation with the Holly Street Boys. The Holly Street Boys and London Fields Boys from E8 in Hackney, separated by less than half a mile laying either side of Queensbridge Road, was the first ever war within a post code. Robyn was a key figure within the Holly Street Boys. He was the definition of a prisoner to the street and is not afraid to admit it. He would ride or die for the estates namesake and for his friends. This wartriggered a breakdown in the relationship between groups of young people within estates in the borough of Hackney, a trend which later followed across London. The ‘Postcode Wars’were born. A competitive mentality that had never been so localised, to the extent that reppin’ boroughs transcended to ‘Reppin the ends’.

His account in P2TS is one of an articulate young man who has had time to reflect on his teenage years as a ‘gang member’. This book is not about boasting of gang exploits, violent crimes and portraying a hard life. P2TS is a brutally honest reflection of Robyn’s own life and that of his peers who grew up to be part of the London Fields and Holly Street rivalry. I spoke to a friend who has worked with gangs in London for 10 years and we agreed that it is about time someone wrote a book to rival the more salacious texts that have dominated in recent years. This book will do much to balance the skewed picture, often perpetuated by those wishing to keep the gang alive, by simply telling the truth.

Robyn, like many who we read about that have been involved with gangs, has certainly had tough times and struggled through a series of unfortunate events. But he doesn’t use these as excuses or as mitigation for his own involvement with gangs. He does not accept that young people are born as ‘Soldiers’ from a young age, something many young people try to portray when interviewed on their gang experience. Throughout P2TS you will learn the human side of those the authorities are quick these days to label ‘gang member’. Through the hard times Robyn shares personal moments of good times and happiness, his love of football and desire to one day play with the Arsenal, his loving grandmothers home cooked meals and the celebration of his own children and re-entry into education.

There are no stereotypes in P2TS, the gangster dealing drugs and making a nice living is a distant reality. Robyn quite openly accepts that as a gangster he was broke, broke as a joke. Even so broke that at times he went without food. Whilst at the peak of his time with the Holly Street Boys, having a fearsome reputation on the streets of Hackney, young Robyn briefly made a living cleaning tables at a Chiquito’s restaurant in London’s West End, never was he a stranger to hard work. When he asked for more hours and an opportunity to progress from minimum wage he was continuously shunned, taking offence.

The branch manager then accused Robyn of petty theft and he lost his job. Another male, who looked nothing like Robyn, was found to be the culprit and caught on CCTV. You can’t help but feel that had he remained in work, he might never have become even more involved in the streets. Robyn’s life has taken him close to death, he has lost many people close to him and has served time in prison. He can now reflect on the rivalry that still burns to this day between Holly Street and London Fields, and can see it for what it is, pointless. Groups of boys who once were friends and attended school together fighting for the title of Hackney amidst two run down council estates owned by a system they so openly detest, yet continue to play into the hands of.

Robyn’s book is the sad truth, he isn’t afraid to let his ego stand in the way of that, and sees it as a key obstacle in brokering understanding between rival groups of young men. P2TS offers the full spectrum of human emotions that we can all relate to and most importantly it gives us real insight into the mindsets and mentality of young people caught up in gangs. This is unquestionably the most authentic portrayal of life on the roads.

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dont usually like these kind of books but this guy seems ok. if im aware of it when this book drops i'll buy it and support the cause

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Dropping 9th June, think there is going to be a launch event for those with a vested interest in making a difference

9th of June is the date Jadie Brissett was shot dead on the Fields estate by members of the Holly Street Boys. Robyn was friends with Jadie from school days, so will be in memory of him

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Just can't stand hearing about gangstas in England.

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Sounds like a dry snitch fest to me tbh

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To think all of this madness was happening around you

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anyone read street boys?

book was kinda hard

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they live like savages in hackney

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The way that site is accurate about the Hackney section is nuts

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The way that site is accurate about the Hackney section is nuts

It's kind of accurate, but most of the Hackney section is based on secondary sources, like the court news archive.

All of Hackney's business has already been baited up intimately in a book by Gwenton Sloley (Que) who ran with LOM, Holly Street, Pembury, Rowdy. He talks about the motives behind cases such as Poops etc, he started working with police sort of, so he called his book 'from the streets to scotland yard', but it hypes alot!

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The way that site is accurate about the Hackney section is nuts

It's kind of accurate, but most of the Hackney section is based on secondary sources, like the court news archive.

All of Hackney's business has already been baited up intimately in a book by Gwenton Sloley (Que) who ran with LOM, Holly Street, Pembury, Rowdy. He talks about the motives behind cases such as Poops etc, he started working with police sort of, so he called his book 'from the streets to scotland yard', but it hypes alot!

Does the book mention Fox?

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The way that site is accurate about the Hackney section is nuts

It's kind of accurate, but most of the Hackney section is based on secondary sources, like the court news archive.

All of Hackney's business has already been baited up intimately in a book by Gwenton Sloley (Que) who ran with LOM, Holly Street, Pembury, Rowdy. He talks about the motives behind cases such as Poops etc, he started working with police sort of, so he called his book 'from the streets to scotland yard', but it hypes alot!

Does the book mention Fox?

+ possum?

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lol at buying and reading books about london gangs

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lol at buying and reading books about london gangs

Yo, whens your dictionary coming out fam

I need to cop myself one of them!

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The way that site is accurate about the Hackney section is nuts

It's kind of accurate, but most of the Hackney section is based on secondary sources, like the court news archive.

All of Hackney's business has already been baited up intimately in a book by Gwenton Sloley (Que) who ran with LOM, Holly Street, Pembury, Rowdy. He talks about the motives behind cases such as Poops etc, he started working with police sort of, so he called his book 'from the streets to scotland yard', but it hypes alot!

Does the book mention Fox?

I don't remember Gwenton's book mentioning Fox. Maybe there is a bit that says about him still robbing youths despite been a fully grown old man, but can't remember anything of note.

To the person who said about dry snitching, open your eyes bro. Nobody needs to dry snitch because man on road aren't exactly inconspicuous about their business (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter feed, SpiffTV, Streetz Selected, MySpace...).

How many people you know got locked up for posing with guns, it's ridiculous. Then they coming out saying who snitched? Look at Ginger from Stonebridge, was called to return to the police station, and the lyrics that helped convict him were in his back pocket.

Nothing is a secret in the ends, everybody knows everybody's business and the internet has given them a voice to share it with the masses.

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^ LOL this guy

some encyclopedia of the roads

vicariously no doubt, but still.

tell me what you know about O.C. dargy (big up Komoshen)

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Don't really know anything about OC to be honest with you. I'm not from south.

Just searched 'polow' - allow calling me polow, from the posts I saw of his, I take that as an insult.

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The way that site is accurate about the Hackney section is nuts

It's kind of accurate, but most of the Hackney section is based on secondary sources, like the court news archive.

All of Hackney's business has already been baited up intimately in a book by Gwenton Sloley (Que) who ran with LOM, Holly Street, Pembury, Rowdy. He talks about the motives behind cases such as Poops etc, he started working with police sort of, so he called his book 'from the streets to scotland yard', but it hypes alot!

Does the book mention Fox?

I don't remember Gwenton's book mentioning Fox. Maybe there is a bit that says about him still robbing youths despite been a fully grown old man, but can't remember anything of note.

To the person who said about dry snitching, open your eyes bro. Nobody needs to dry snitch because man on road aren't exactly inconspicuous about their business (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter feed, SpiffTV, Streetz Selected, MySpace...).

How many people you know got locked up for posing with guns, it's ridiculous. Then they coming out saying who snitched? Look at Ginger from Stonebridge, was called to return to the police station, and the lyrics that helped convict him were in his back pocket.

Nothing is a secret in the ends, everybody knows everybody's business and the internet has given them a voice to share it with the masses.

Your right nothing stays a secret

Typical Fox

What's the name of this book?

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It was written by Gwenton Sloley, came out in 2010 and was called 'From the Streets to Scotland Yard' - wouldn't bother wasting your money on it though.

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I just googled it

The preview sounds shit anyways.

The reason why I am gonna buy this Robyn guy's book to see if he is stunting or not

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The way that site is accurate about the Hackney section is nuts

It's kind of accurate, but most of the Hackney section is based on secondary sources, like the court news archive.

All of Hackney's business has already been baited up intimately in a book by Gwenton Sloley (Que) who ran with LOM, Holly Street, Pembury, Rowdy. He talks about the motives behind cases such as Poops etc, he started working with police sort of, so he called his book 'from the streets to scotland yard', but it hypes alot!

Does the book mention Fox?

I don't remember Gwenton's book mentioning Fox. Maybe there is a bit that says about him still robbing youths despite been a fully grown old man, but can't remember anything of note.

To the person who said about dry snitching, open your eyes bro. Nobody needs to dry snitch because man on road aren't exactly inconspicuous about their business (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter feed, SpiffTV, Streetz Selected, MySpace...).

How many people you know got locked up for posing with guns, it's ridiculous. Then they coming out saying who snitched? Look at Ginger from Stonebridge, was called to return to the police station, and the lyrics that helped convict him were in his back pocket.

Nothing is a secret in the ends, everybody knows everybody's business and the internet has given them a voice to share it with the masses.

Sorry. Dont know one person who has been imprisoned due to pictures of them posing with a gun/guns

Dont know one person that has been imprisoned come out and said who snitched simply because if someone snitched it would be in their paperwork

Ginger did not go to the station with lyrics in his back pocket so thats false

And I dont expect you to denounce dry snitching as your whole topic is homage to it but I gotta call a spade a spade the guy is basically doing what spider did but putting it in a book instead of a police statement.

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LOl feds don't even need to get info from the courts .

Most info is from you guessed it . Black peoples big mouths .

Like someone else said .

It's from youtube ,spiff tv . VIP2 FORUM, grimeforum , even msn messenger .

But yeah probably know most about what is going to be in that book but will cop still

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@ 'O.J. Simpson'

Ok, firstly, just because YOU don't know something doesn't mean it isn't true, or hasn't occurred. I should have said arrested rather than imprisoned, which would be more accurate. If you don't believe that people have been arrested for posing in pictures with guns then that is up to you, but that my friend it is a fact.

With regards to paperwork, it's not uncommon for a snitch to appear as an unknown or anonymous source, especially more recently in cases whereby the information has been gained from police posing as young people in order to access Facebook pages etc, and in order to effectively spy on those they believe to be involved in criminality. They don't want that person to know they are spying on them.

If I'm wrong about Ginger then I accept that, but what the report stated on the case was "

The 17-year-old carelessly kept the handwritten lyrics in his pocket when he answered bail at a police station over the gunning down of a 27-year-old footballer."

So if that is not true then obviously the police or whoever have made it up.

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