Greatest player to never win the CL

[O Fenomeno]

Age is irrelevant

Ronaldo was how old in Serie A?

If your strong mentally you will conquer Serie A

Ibra done well in La Liga until he fell out with Pep and Messi asked to play through the middle

I would say check the stats but it's nothing

Ibra won El Clasico and the first five games

Might be the weaker out of the five in this moment in time

Like La Liga they have aleast a quarter finalist in Europe's premier competition

[Kompressor]

Please forgive me if I misunderstood the question but surely one of two answers is acceptable. Pele or Maradona?

I can't comment on a player I've never seen play week in week out.

So your saying you wouldn't say Maradona was a better player then Zlatan. Whether you saw Maradona week in week out or not?

After asking the question i was half expecting the response to be "from 92 onwards"

[Fighting Weight]

Them having a quarter finalist doesnt really matter, because the league is poor, and this has nothing to do with the subject,I'm not some PL crusader....Bergkamp had a bad spell at Inter before he matured, moved on and came to England and was one of the best players to play in the league to date, all the while continuing to excel for his country in international tournaments

 

Ronaldo is certainly one of the goats and a comparison with him is pretty much void

 

You are comparing a young mans performance in a new league with a man in his prime who had played there for the better part of a decade, AND in a weaker era, age certainly matters, and context certainly matters

 

The comparison doesn't stand up

 

You say Zlatan fell out with Guardiola but did Bergkamps inter side not have what, 3 different managers over how much time?

[Kompressor]

Bergkamp influence is over rated just like Zola's

Cantona/Henry were more influential than Bergkamp especially Cantona

Bergkamp wasn't about that life so he took the L

The Bergkamp vs Cantona debate in terms of influence is played out and plain silly. The Bergkamp Vs Henry one is an interesting one that I haven't thought of till now. But I'd say you were right, on the pitch anyway.

[O Fenomeno]

Them having a quarter finalist doesnt really matter, because the league is poor, and this has nothing to do with the subject,I'm not some PL crusader....Bergkamp had a bad spell at Inter before he matured, moved on and came to England and was one of the best players to play in the league to date, all the while continuing to excel for his country in international tournaments

Ronaldo is certainly one of the goats and a comparison with him is pretty much void

You are comparing a young mans performance in a new league with a man in his prime who had played there for the better part of a decade, AND in a weaker era, age certainly matters, and context certainly matters

The comparison doesn't stand up

You say Zlatan fell out with Guardiola but did Bergkamps inter side not have what, 3 different managers over how much time?

Bergkamp had the team built around him @Inter

I will ask someone who has watched Inter for 25 years

Let's see what he says about Bergkamp

Ligue 1 is poor so is the Premiership/Serie A

Only La Liga y Bundesliga have quality (real quality)

Why do people think its a big thing to be one of best players in England

Premier League has never been the best league in world football since I been watching football

It's like your the best in England which automatically means WC status it doesn't work like that

[Kompressor]

For the record, when I was watching United people respected Bergkamp and his talents but generally nobody ever feared him, Henry, Zola, Shearer, Robbie Fowler and Viera even were feared.

Just putting that out there. Not necessarily saying any of the mentioned players were better but that's how it was generally. Excellent player but IMO not one worthy of fear,

[Fighting Weight]

Them having a quarter finalist doesnt really matter, because the league is poor, and this has nothing to do with the subject,I'm not some PL crusader....Bergkamp had a bad spell at Inter before he matured, moved on and came to England and was one of the best players to play in the league to date, all the while continuing to excel for his country in international tournaments

Ronaldo is certainly one of the goats and a comparison with him is pretty much void

You are comparing a young mans performance in a new league with a man in his prime who had played there for the better part of a decade, AND in a weaker era, age certainly matters, and context certainly matters

The comparison doesn't stand up

You say Zlatan fell out with Guardiola but did Bergkamps inter side not have what, 3 different managers over how much time?

Bergkamp had the team built around him @Inter

I will ask someone who has watched Inter for 25 years

Let's see what he says about Bergkamp

Ligue 1 is poor so is the Premiership/Serie A

Only La Liga y Bundesliga have quality (real quality)

Why do people think its a big thing to be one of best players in England

Premier League has never been the best league in world football since I been watching football

It's like your the best in England which automatically means WC status it doesn't work like that

 

Stop with the strawman argument, I have never once (in this thread or otherwise) bigged up the premier league

[O Fenomeno]

Wait your arguement what makes Berkamp

Greater than Ibra was the fact he was one of the best in the Premier League

Yes or No?

Scroll up

[Fighting Weight]

No

[Fighting Weight]

His performances and ability he showcased in the league for 11 years and his international performances (which were always impressive in big competitions)

 

By virtue of the above two is one of the best players to have played in the league

 

Not the other way round

[Creed Diskenth]

Bergkamp

 

Club

Ajax

·         Eredivisie (1): 1989–90

·         KNVB Cup (2): 1986–87, 1992–93

·         UEFA Cup (1): 1991–92

·         European Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1986–87

Internazionale

·         UEFA Cup (1): 1993–94

Arsenal

·         Premier League (3): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04

·         FA Cup (4): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05

·         FA Community Shield (3): 1998, 2002, 2004

Individual

·         Dutch Football Talent of the Year (1): 1990

·         Dutch Footballer of the Year (2): 1991, 1992

·         Eredivisie Top Scorer (3): 1990–91, 1991–92, 1992–93

·         UEFA European Football Championship Top Scorer (1): 1992

·         UEFA European Football Championship Team of the Tournament (1): 1992

·         World's Top Goal Scorer of the Year (1): 1992

·         UEFA Cup Top Scorer (1): 1994

·         Premier League Player of the Month (4): August 1997, September 1997, March 2002, February 2004

·         PFA Team of the Year (1): 1997–98

·         FWA Footballer of the Year (1): 1997–98

·         PFA Players' Player of the Year (1): 1997–98

·         Premier League Goal of the Season (2): 1997–98, 2001–02

·         FIFA World Cup All-Star Team (1): 1998

·         FIFA 100

·         English Football Hall of Fame

 

 

vs

 

 

 

Zlatan

 

Ajax

·         Eredivisie (2): 2001–02, 2003–04

·         KNVB Cup (1): 2001–02

·         Johan Cruijff Shield (1): 2002

Juventus

·         Serie A (2): 2004–05, 2005–06 (both revoked due to the Calciopoli scandal)

Internazionale

·         Serie A (3): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09

·         Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2006, 2008

Barcelona

·         La Liga (1): 2009–10

·         Supercopa de España (2): 2009, 2010

·         UEFA Super Cup (1): 2009

·         FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2009

AC Milan

·         Serie A (1): 2010–11

·         Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2011

 

Individual

·         Golden Foot (1): 2012

·         UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament (1): 2012

·         UEFA Team of the Year (2): 2007, 2009

·         UEFA Euro 2012 Man of the Match: Sweden vs France

·         UEFA Euro 2008 Man of the Match: Greece vs Sweden

·         UEFA Euro 2004 Man of the Match: Italy vs Sweden

·         Serie A Top Scorer (2): 2009, 2012

·         Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year (4): 2005, 2008, 2009, 2011

·         Serie A Footballer of the Year (3): 2008, 2009, 2011

·         Supercoppa Italiana 2011: Man of the Match

·         Serie A Player of the Month: January 2012

·         Guldbollen (7): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012

·         Jerringpriset (1): 2007

·         Swedish Male Athlete of the Year (2): 2007, 2010

[Benicio del Toney]

Baggio

Barnes

 

Liverpool of late 80's greatest team never to have competed FACT.

[Benicio del Toney]

fucked how R9 hasnt got a medal but this lad has

 

 

I'm sure R9 World Cup medal consoles him at night.

[Fighting Weight]

So will the other one he 'earned' 

[Benicio del Toney]

That's the 1 I meant lol.

 

 

But hey, 2 is good aswell.

[The Infamous]

Baggio

Barnes

 

Liverpool of late 80's greatest team never to have competed FACT.

definitely would have 100% won the CL 3 times in a row

 

the european ban stopped us from being up there in CL trophies 

[O Fenomeno]

Maybe in 87,88

Never in 89/90

[The Somalian]

That was Millans time

[The Infamous]

Maybe in 87,88

Never in 89/90

we could speculate all day but im sure we could have had added at least 2 more 

[darkman]

Kluivert holds that record now so it's irrelevant

He had a good 98 I doubt he was that good in 94

Ibra carried Inter where Bergkamp couldn't handle it

Bergkamp is the same bottler who ruled himself out away CL games

Bergkamp is a great premier league player but unlike Ibra who excels everywhere he goes

Like I said Ibra can do everything Bergkamp could do and more

 

That's nonsense, Ibra couldn't play the Number 10 role like Dennis

 

I always find it funny when you call players bottlers but rate Zlatan

[Seydou]

That goal vs Argentina >>>>> Anything Ibra has ever achieved.

[Eskay Jones]

cant compare them surely two completely different players in different positions but i would say if bergkamp was a out n out striker he would miles better than ibra

 

his touch alone>>>

[O Fenomeno]

That goal vs Argentina >>>>> Anything Ibra has ever achieved.

Ibra has achieved titles

[Davicious X]

Wait a sec are people saying Bergkamp is better than Ibra? How does a discussion like this even arise? They dont play the same, dont have the same roles, dont play in the same position and are 2 completely different players, both of which are world class.

 

However Lol @ Bergkamp not playing away matches in Europe.

 

Lol @ Djimi Traore having a CL winners medal over certain man mentioned in this thread.

[Heero Yuy]

Don't really want to get involved with Zlat vs Dennis argument but i will say Ibra is playing in a era where defenders are the poorest they've ever been imo.

Would struggle to name 10 WC central defenders.