who produces the best players

[Guest Diddybob]

No-one's doubting the pedigree of Ferdinand & Lampard...but to put them on the same level of Raul, who been in the Madrid team since 17, 2nd highest goal-scorer for Spain, one of the all-time greatest scorers in damn near every club competition, regarded as one of the best players of the last 25 years...

Fam.

Come on.

 

Ferdinand came through West Ham at 17 aswell.

 

Transferred to Leeds at 20 for £18mill becoming the worlds most expensive defender.

 

Transferred to Man Utd at 22 for £30mill after a fantastic World Cup and became the worlds most expensive defender again.

 

81 caps for England, only 2nd to Ashley Cole for most caps received by a black player for England.

 

Won all the big club trophies aswell.

 

 

Ferdinand's reputation is as much to Defending as Raul's is to Striking.

 

Spot on, man acting like Ferdinand wasn't a prodigious talent as well.

[Drift]

brent is slippin considering the amount of niggas here

 

If you look at the closest Pro clubs, we got QPR, Watford, those ain't top clubs so makes sense we don't produce players playing in the top tier.

 

The talent is in Brent though, said it before my school team won everything, went out in the Nationals in the 1/4's, none of us made it pro though which makes no sense because we were spanking teams all over England.

 

Every team we travelled to meet had guys playing for top Acadamies, West Ham, Forest etc... still steamrolled them but Brent is in a sh*t place.

true... theres a lot of wasted talent here.

 

few sick guys that i went school with that were on qprs books that just vanished.

[Drift]

Brent is a useless place anyways, not known for anything, can't even say crime cause you man don't compare to South man in that aspect as well.

 

best uk rapper right now is from di slums

 

[Guest Diddybob]

You lot have Arsenal as well though i swear?

[Guest Diddybob]

Brent is a useless place anyways, not known for anything, can't even say crime cause you man don't compare to South man in that aspect as well.

 

best uk rapper right now is from di slums

 

 

Oh yeah only thing i forgot

 

Brent rappers>>>>>>

 

Nines and Skrapz>>>>>>>

[Guest Diddybob]

K Koke lets you down though lol.

[Drift]

You lot have Arsenal as well though i swear?

nah, arsenal is islington

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Yeah but in Brent they would rather chill on the blocks till 6 am then wake at 6am and go training 

 

Not just about having talent as we all know, nothing is stopping them going trials up and down the country or trying to get sponsored if they can't afford the travel costs 

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Southampton ?

 

Bale

Walcott

Shaw

Oxo

Lallana

 

/

 

In recent years

 

Had this bookmarked from couple years ago

 

Barcelona's contribution to the fortunes of Spanish football could be replicated with the England team of the future thanks to a remarkable project launched, not by one of the Premier League big boys, but by a club whose recent history has been beset by financial problems and a battle to survive.

 

Southampton’s academy, tucked away on the South Coast but with an ethos modelled on Barcelona’s famous set-up at La Masia, has already provided home-grown talent now worth £100 million-plus to Premier League clubs, including Englishmen Theo Walcott and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and Wales star Gareth Bale.
Les Reed, the club’s head of football development, insists it is only the start.

‘Alex was not an accident,’ says Reed of a player sold at 17 to Arsenal for £12 million this summer. ‘Maybe at the next stage of our academy’s development we’ll have two Oxlade-Chamberlains in a single year, and then three.’

 

Reed, along with Saints’ Swiss chairman Nicola Cortese, and academy manager Matt Crocker, is a key figure in an upgrade of the academy that will bring it in line with Europe’s best.

 

‘The model is Barcelona, who have home-grown players and success,’ he says.

 

Crocker adds: ‘The club has always had a philosophy of giving youth a chance and raising its own talent, from Mick Channon to Danny and Rod Wallace, Matt Le Tissier and Alan Shearer. What we’re doing now is continuing those traditions at even higher levels.’

 

Southampton were among the first clubs to adopt an academy system at the end of the 1990s, when they still were a Premier League club. Relegation in 2005 and the resulting steep drop in income made it more important than ever to keep the home-reared talent flowing.

 

The sales of Walcott and Bale to Arsenal and Tottenham helped to keep the club afloat and, after near-extinction in the summer of 2009, it was clear to Cortese and Southampton’s saviour-benefactor, the late Swiss billionaire, Markus Liebherr, that player development should successful,’ says Reed.

 

Southampton’s revival from a club who just two years ago were languishing in League One after administration has been swift and strong, and it is hoped that future success will come with more of the home-grown stars for which Saints have become known.

 

Oxlade-Chamberlain joined the club at the age of seven in 2000 and was there until August, when he signed for Arsenal a few days before his 18th birthday, for a £12m fee fame remain at the core of the club’s vision.

 

Since Liebherr’s death aged 62 in August last year, Cortese has been driven by the desire for Southampton to become a self-sustaining top-flight club, with all areas of the academy expanded and strengthened to realise that vision.

 

The cost of running it, around £2.3m a year, is seen not as speculating to accumulate but as economically prudent. Saints have already made returns of several times their outlay over the past decade and in the future they want to keep players of the calibre of Bale, Walcott and Chamberlain — not see them go for big money to other teams.

 

So there is a buzz among Saints fans as they take the Championship by storm, with Nigel Adkins’s side five points clear and entertaining large crowds, while insiders are just as excited about the future.

 

‘Aiming to match Barcelona is a big ambition but you need to strive for that to be successful,’ says Reed. Southampton’s revival from a club who just two years ago were languishing in League One after administration has been swift and strong, and it is hoped that future success will come with more of the home-grown stars for which Saints have become known.

Oxlade-Chamberlain joined the club at the age of seven in 2000 and was there until August, when he signed for Arsenal a few days before his 18th birthday, for a £12m fee that will rise to £15m. He has already scored for Arsenal in the Champions League and netted his first England hat-trick — for the Under- 21s — against Iceland last month.

 

Walcott is another who took the Saints-Arsenal route, nurtured from 11 by Southampton until his big-money move at 16 in 2006. Walcott and Chamberlain are both expected to be key England players of the future, while Welshman Bale is now his country’s brightest star.
Bale was spotted by Southampton at nine and attended their satellite academy in Bath before signing up, making his first-team debut in 2006, and moving to Tottenham in 2007.

 

Other Saints academy alumni include Manchester City’s Wayne Bridge, Newcastle’s Leon Best, Fulham’s Chris Baird and Norwich City’s Andrew Surnam.

 

The home-grown star of Southampton’s current team is Adam Lallana, an England Under-21 midfielder who has been with Saints since he was 12.

 

All these players were produced by the academy as it stands today, with temporary buildings at the heart of a 10-acre site in the village of Marchwood on the outskirts of the city. But work begins within days on a vast and impressive new academy complex, complete with school-rooms, medical centre, swimming pool, state-of-the-art gym, video labs, restaurant and office suites for the youth recruitment department, coaching staff and support personnel.

 

‘We’ve got an ambition to be not just a Premier League club but a competitive Premier League club,’ says Reed. ‘If we want half our team to come from the academy, which we do, the recruitment needs to be the best, and the development plan for each individual needs to be excellent, as do the facilities, the sports science and the technical quality of the coaching.’

Reed, 58, is a coaching veteran, best known for his short spell as Charlton manager in 2006. But he has spent much of his working life innovating behind the scenes, working as FA technical director, as an assistant to Sir Bobby Robson, Alan Curbishley and Kevin Keegan, and alongside Howard Wilkinson in trying to develop ways to improve young English players.

 

His research has taken him from drama schools to the Royal Ballet, from the Yehudi Menuhin music school to Nick Bollettieri’s tennis academy in Florida and elite football centres across Germany — academies that have contributed greatly to that country’s international renaissance.

 

‘The philosophy of player-development at Bayern Munich,’ says Reed, ‘is “two each year for the first team, two for the league, and two for the rest of German football”.

 

And you find similar aims across the top Bundesliga clubs.’

 

Reed was initially invited to Southampton as a consultant in late 2009 but is now a Southampton director, and his excitement at the future is obvious. The Saints academy has 104 students aged between nine and 16, plus 22 apprentices between 16 and 18.

 

‘We believe we have the equivalent of Manchester United’s Scholes, Beckham and Co already within our system,’ he says. Southampton’s ‘golden’ generation of 16- and 17-year-olds includes James Ward-Prowse, a creative midfielder who made his first-team debut last month, and Luke Shaw, an England Under-17 attacking full back.

 

Then there are striker Jake Sinclair and Harrison Reed, known as Saints’ ‘young Scholes’ for more reasons than his red hair. Harrison’s father, Dave, says: ‘Saints have academy coaches who have worked with Scholes and they make comparisons with Harrison’s discipline and dedication and his tenacity in that central midfield role. They’ve got high hopes for him.

 

‘He’s been at Saints since he was eight. He effectively left home for the club at 15 and lived with a family nearby. That was a wrench for us but it’s a fantastic club and his all-round education has been brilliant.’

Southampton employ six teachers on site. With class sizes as small as five or six, academic results are often better than predicted at their regular schools.

 

Julian Woods, whose 12-year-old son, Henry, has been attached to Southampton since the age of six, says: ‘They’ve always looked after him. In February he broke his kneecap but the care has been tremendous. I know he’s happy here.’

 

Southampton fans may be enjoying the moment. But behind the scenes, the future is dreamier still.

[Guest Diddybob]

You lot have Arsenal as well though i swear?

nah, arsenal is islington

 

If you're not counting islington then the likes of Southwark and Lewisham only have Millwall Crystal Palace and Charlton in close proximity, don't really see Toneys explanation as an excuse, there were guys in my school who got scouted for West Ham  Arsenal,Chelsea etc despite being from South East London

[Anderson]

There should two new groups created

Forum Progress

Myself

Agony

Ice

Mike

Flojo

Forum Madness

Diddy

Darkman

Toney

Horatio

Fresh

Stacks

Justin

Top 1 cringiest post of all time

[Benicio del Toney]

 

You lot have Arsenal as well though i swear?

nah, arsenal is islington

 

If you're not counting islington then the likes of Southwark and Lewisham only have Millwall Crystal Palace and Charlton in close proximity, don't really see Toneys explanation as an excuse, there were guys in my school who got scouted for West Ham  Arsenal,Chelsea etc despite being from South East London

 

Brent and particularly the Harrow league are not frequented by certain scouts.

 

West Ham go as far as Islington but not to Brent.

[The Somalian]

have brent got any stand out teams like Wallsend and Senrab where scouts go to watch them teams as they usually churn out talented players?

[Heero Yuy]

There should two new groups created

Forum Progress

Myself

Agony

Ice

Mike

Flojo

Forum Madness

Diddy

Darkman

Toney

Horatio

Fresh

Stacks

Justin

Top 1 cringiest post of all time

Imagine how dead out this place would be if everyone had the same opinion. Just people making a statements followed by

Trust

C/S

!!!

[Michel Kane]

You know people can debate & discuss a variety of opinions without talking madness? Lol.

[Benicio del Toney]

have brent got any stand out teams like Wallsend and Senrab where scouts go to watch them teams as they usually churn out talented players?

 

The only team like that in Brent was Willesden Constantine, but they were a mens team.

 

They put alot of guys at clubs after academy age.

 

Guys like Junior Agogo (played for Ghana), Philos will probably remember Stefan Bailey aswell.

 

 

Ricky Hill was the chairman there so he used to take people to Sheffield Wed and Spurs when he was head of youth at them clubs.

 

But at academy age nah, no bait team, Pro teams that scout Brent are usually Wycombe, Luton, QPR and Watford.

 

 

Marvin Sordell and Jerome Thomas are from Brent.

 

Jerome Thomas' older brother used to play for Willesden Constantine, was supposedly much better than him aswell.

[HangTheDJ]

Merseyside

[Agony]

yeah tbh i should have split up london in the original post

 

/

 

do different areas produce different types of footballer 

 

looking at the players in the prem/championship at the moment ?

Yeah and I think the influence of a legend/top player that has made it from the area or the main guy at the local team can play a big part.

For example when you look the centre backs from that trained or graduated from West Ham's academy and others from East London(e.g. Ferdinand brothers, Terry, Campbell, King, Tomkins, 'One Size' Fitz Hall etc.) I'm willing to bet that most if not all of them looked up to Bobby Moore and tried to model their game after him.

And I'm sure every Londoner in here has played with at least 5 Arsenal supporting strikers that were heavily influenced by Wright or Henry, depending on their age.

Another thing is the football culture of the area. That can have an effect on what type of football is being encouraged by p.e. teachers, coaches and the angry Dads on the sideline at a youth game.

[O Fenomeno]

I never understood why you would want to base your game on them types of players

[Nidge Weasle]

yeah tone i remember bailey, thought he could of been a successful championship player but just never seemed to work out.

 

i remember him getting sent off at luton after almost cutting one of their players in half

[Flojo]

From 2011

 

Its teams may be stranded mid-table in the Premier League this season, but there is one football league in which Liverpool is still top.

 

The city on the Mersey has produced more top-flight footballers than any other English provincial city since the birth of the Premier League in 1992, a new analysis has found.
Its tally of 62 players who have gone on to appear in the top flight beats the 55 score of second-placed Birmingham, and for once knocks rival Manchester, in third place with 42 players, off its perch.
The roster of past and present Liverpudlian footballers in the top flight includes Manchester United's Wayne Rooney, from Liverpool's Croxteth district, and Robbie Fowler, the striker who enjoyed a trophy-laden career at Anfield and who grew up in Toxteth.

The finding is likely to please fans of the city's two top flight clubs – Liverpool FC, currently 7th in the Premier League table, and Everton, now 10th.
The analysis of the 1,383 English-born players who have appeared in the Premier League was carried out by the website TrueKnowledge.com, which uses specially-developed software to trawl the internet for answers to questions put by users.

 

The idea for the football study came from Matthew Mason, 33, a TrueKnowledge programmer – and, coincidentally, a lifelong Liverpool fan.
He said: "It started when we were having a discussion about where the hotbeds of footballing talent were in England.

"I am pleased with the result. I am not too sure that Liverpool can lay much claim to any sort of victory at the moment, but we will take anything we can get."
To provide a fair comparison, only footballers born within the boundaries of the City of Liverpool – population 435,000 – were included in its total, not those from neighbouring Merseyside boroughs such as Sefton or Knowsley. The same rule was applied to the cities of Manchester (pop 464,000) and Birmingham (pop. 1 million).

For the same reason, London – which would have produced the most footballers, had it been considered as a whole – was broken down into its constituent boroughs. The borough which produced the most footballers was Lambeth (pop 275,000), with 30.
A further analysis of the findings, comparing English counties by the number of footballers they have produced per head of population, shows that Country Durham leads the way, with 8.7 Premier League players per 100,000 residents. By this measure, North Yorkshire is second (7.7) and Merseyside third (6.6). London (4.5) and Greater Manchester (4.4) lag behind.
Mr Mason suggested that Merseyside's success as a breeding ground for footballers was partly due to adults handing down the sense of passion and tradition generated by Everton and Liverpool's illustrious history of domestic and European triumphs.

"That has got a lot to do with it. If you are a big football fan yourself it has got to be your dream to have your kids playing for your team," he said.
Stefan Szymanski, a professor of economics specialising in football issues at the Cass Business School in London, suggested that the traditional notion that boys from working-class communities are most likely to become professional footballers may soon be out of date. With the high wages on offer, career-minded middle class parents were perhaps less likely to criticise their children for wasting their time playing football, he said.

Professor Szymanski, the co-author of Why England Lose: And Other Curious Football Phenomena Explained, said: "I suspect that there is a certain gentrification coming into football, not just amongst the supporters but among the players.
"The classic middle class argument – you'll never make any money playing football – has vanished."

[Kompressor]

According to this it's London(ignore the title, they broke up London into boroughs)

Liverpool tops footballers' birthplace league

12:52PM GMT 08 Mar 2011

The city on the Mersey has produced more top-flight footballers than any other English provincial city since the birth of the Premier League in 1992, a new analysis has found.

Its tally of 62 players who have gone on to appear in the top flight beats the 55 score of second-placed Birmingham, and for once knocks rival Manchester, in third place with 42 players, off its perch.

Here is the full table:

Top Premier League birthplaces

Liverpool – 62

Birmingham – 55

Manchester – 42

Sheffield – 31

Lambeth – 30

Nottingham – 29

Middlesbrough – 26

Leeds – 21

Bristol – 18

Lewisham – 17

Southwark – 16

Wandsworth – 15

Westminster – 15

Newcastle-upon-Tyne – 15

Leicester – 14

Enfield – 14

Greenwich – 14

Hammersmith & Fulham – 14

Islington – 14

Newham – 14

Waltham Forest – 14

Sunderland – 14

Havering – 13

Tower Hamlets – 13

Gatehead – 12

Croydon – 12

Newham – 12

Derby – 11

Southampton – 11

Hackney – 10

Reading – 10

English counties, and the number of Premier League footballers per 100,000 population; highest and lowest.

Highest

County Durham 8.70

North Yorkshire 7.69

Merseyside 6.59

Berkshire 5.97

Tyne and Wear 5.06

Nottinghamshire 4.89

Greater Manchester 4.42

Northumberland 4.18

Bristol 4.16

London 4.15

Lowest

Dorset 1.24

Buckinghamshire 1.21

Somerset 1.15

Cornwall 1.13

Herefordshire 1.12

East Sussex 0.98

Norfolk 0.94

Gloucestershire 0.85

Kent 0.64

West Sussex 0.50http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/news/8368474/Liverpool-tops-footballers-birthplace-league.html

Liverpool is top of the footballers' birthplace league

9:30PM GMT 05 Mar 2011

Its teams may be stranded mid-table in the Premier League this season, but there is one football league in which Liverpool is still top.

The city on the Mersey has produced more top-flight footballers than any other English provincial city since the birth of the Premier League in 1992, a new analysis has found.

Its tally of 62 players who have gone on to appear in the top flight beats the 55 score of second-placed Birmingham, and for once knocks rival Manchester, in third place with 42 players, off its perch.

The roster of past and present Liverpudlian footballers in the top flight includes Manchester United's Wayne Rooney, from Liverpool's Croxteth district, and Robbie Fowler, the striker who enjoyed a trophy-laden career at Anfield and who grew up in Toxteth.

The finding is likely to please fans of the city's two top flight clubs – Liverpool FC, currently 7th in the Premier League table, and Everton, now 10th.

The analysis of the 1,383 English-born players who have appeared in the Premier League was carried out by the website TrueKnowledge.com, which uses specially-developed software to trawl the internet for answers to questions put by users.

The idea for the football study came from Matthew Mason, 33, a TrueKnowledge programmer – and, coincidentally, a lifelong Liverpool fan.

He said: "It started when we were having a discussion about where the hotbeds of footballing talent were in England.

"I am pleased with the result. I am not too sure that Liverpool can lay much claim to any sort of victory at the moment, but we will take anything we can get."

To provide a fair comparison, only footballers born within the boundaries of the City of Liverpool – population 435,000 – were included in its total, not those from neighbouring Merseyside boroughs such as Sefton or Knowsley. The same rule was applied to the cities of Manchester (pop 464,000) and Birmingham (pop. 1 million).

For the same reason, London – which would have produced the most footballers, had it been considered as a whole – was broken down into its constituent boroughs. The borough which produced the most footballers was Lambeth (pop 275,000), with 30.

A further analysis of the findings, comparing English counties by the number of footballers they have produced per head of population, shows that Country Durham leads the way, with 8.7 Premier League players per 100,000 residents. By this measure, North Yorkshire is second (7.7) and Merseyside third (6.6). London (4.5) and Greater Manchester (4.4) lag behind.

Mr Mason suggested that Merseyside's success as a breeding ground for footballers was partly due to adults handing down the sense of passion and tradition generated by Everton and Liverpool's illustrious history of domestic and European triumphs.

"That has got a lot to do with it. If you are a big football fan yourself it has got to be your dream to have your kids playing for your team," he said.

Stefan Szymanski, a professor of economics specialising in football issues at the Cass Business School in London, suggested that the traditional notion that boys from working-class communities are most likely to become professional footballers may soon be out of date. With the high wages on offer, career-minded middle class parents were perhaps less likely to criticise their children for wasting their time playing football, he said.

Professor Szymanski, the co-author of Why England Lose: And Other Curious Football Phenomena Explained, said: "I suspect that there is a certain gentrification coming into football, not just amongst the supporters but among the players.

"The classic middle class argument – you'll never make any money playing football – has vanished."http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/news/8363278/Liverpool-is-top-of-the-footballers-birthplace-league.html

This is about as accurate of an assessment you can get whilst being fair.

People need to remember that Cities like Liverpool and Manchester are the size of certain boroughs within London, to compare them as cities is stupid.

[darkman]

Thuram

Cannavaro

Nesta

Stam

Maldini

Baresi

Lucio

Thiago Silva

Puyol

 

Thuram the RB > Thuram the CB

 

Rio is better

 

I was about to ask if London have produced a striker better than Fernando Torres

I realised England alone haven't

 

 

 

Shearer is better than Torres though.

 

Better premiership career? Yes

 

Better player? Hell no

[Bobby Reds]

better Q would be produces the best players worldwide

Porto is my pick.

>>

 

 

  this topic turned stupid as f*ck

[Benicio del Toney]

yeah tone i remember bailey, thought he could of been a successful championship player but just never seemed to work out.

 

i remember him getting sent off at luton after almost cutting one of their players in half

 

 

Is that when there was a huge brawl?