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labour come to my door canvassing for votes today usually i don't say anything just try an politely shut the door as soon as possible but i was so incensed by all this I just told her what was on my

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Daily Mail puts pressure on trio over NCCL's former paedophile links

 

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Today's Daily Mail spread demands answers from Harman, Dromey and Hewitt

 

The Daily Mail ran a splash yesterday in which it exposed "the full extent of the shocking links between three senior Labour figures and a vile group that tried to legalise sex with children."

 

The trio - Labour's deputy leader Harriet Harman, her husband, home affairs spokesman Jack Dromey, and former health secretary Patricia Hewitt - were alleged to have supported the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) during their time with the National Council for Civil Liberties (NCCL) in the 1970s and early 1980s.

A few paragraphs in, I thought I had read the story before. I then turned to the spread, headlined "Labour's child sex apologists", and had the same feeling of déjà vu.

Late yesterday, I received an email from a friend in which he confirmed that the story was "old" in the sense that it had been published previously. Where? In the Daily Mail.

 

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Yesterday's Mail spread - a follow-up to its article on 14 December 2013

 

So I looked back and discovered that a very similar story was indeed published by the Mail just two months ago, on 14 December. There was a front page picture blurb and an inside spread, "Apologists for paedophiles."

There were two obvious similarities. The presentation was almost identical. And the "special investigation" in December was bylined Guy Adams, as was yesterday's spread. But the articles were different.

 

Adams had clearly uncovered more information about the NCCL's relationship with the now-defunct PIE since his original investigation. (NB: NCCL is now known as Liberty).

The first piece dealt initially with PIE's magazine. The Magpie, which advocated the legalisation of sex between adults and children. It went on to claim that, in 1975, PIE "somehow succeeded in convincing the NCCL to grant it official 'affiliate' status." That link, write Adams, raised "tricky questions" for Harman, Dromey and Hewitt.

That article also stated that the home office had launched an investigation into allegations that PIE had received public funds during Labour's administration in the 1970s.

Yesterday's piece concentrated instead on the claim that a "dog-eared" copy of the NCCL's 1980s magazine, Rights, carried a letter from a man who championed paedophilia.

 

More sensationally, it also reproduced a document purportedly showing that the NCCL lobbied for the age of sexual consent to be reduced to 10 and urged that incest be legalised.

It also referred to the December report, stating that Harman, Dromey and Hewitt were not "eager to elaborate on the issue" at the time.

This time, however, a spokesman for Harman was quoted as saying: "The very suggestion that Harriet was in any way supportive of PIE or its aims is untrue and misleading."

Dromey said he had always been an "implacable opponent" of PIE. Hewitt did not comment.

The Mail article says: "We must, of course, take them at their word. But quite what Hewitt, Dromey or Harman ever actually did actively (or 'implacably') to oppose PIE is, however, open to question."

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Sunday People on 25 May, 1975

It goes on to give what it claims are examples of PIE being defended by the NCCL, even after the Sunday People published a splash [on 25 May, 1975] headlined "The vilest men in Britain." It says that the NCCL went so far as to complain about it to the Press Council (the PCC's predecessor).

Today, the Mail maintains its pressure on the trio with another splash "Now say sorry!" and a spread, "Vital questions these apologists for child sex MUST now answer."

 

I can, of course, grasp the anti-Labour (and anti-leftist) agenda that underlies this assault on the trio. It could be said to be a hatchet job, as my emailing friend contended in knee-jerk fashion. I also accept that it was a long time ago.

But I'm with the Mail on this. On the basis of the paper's evidence, I think Harman, Dromey and Hewitt do need to address this matter seriously.

It isn't good enough to say the world was different then (as some have been suggesting in relation to the recent crop of historic sex abuse court cases) because there has never been a time when it has been all right to advocate sex with a child.

Indeed, the very fact that the Sunday People saw fit to publish that front page in the 1970s proves the point, does it not?

 

 

 

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This is truly shocling. Why hasn't a big deal being made of these disgusting things

 

 

You know how the establishment are with this type of info, massive cover up and been going on for years

 

 

no other media running the story?

 

Not many, but a good few links here exposing them and others

 

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=harriet+harman+jack+dromey+hewitt

 

David Icke was exposing all this info many years ago and got dirt on many others, even telling people about sa-vile but people ignored him and labelled him a nut back in 1997

 

http://www.david*cke.com/headlines/55533-death-of-a-showman-jimmy-saville-1926-2011/

 

http://www.david*cke.com/headlines/76964-harriet-harman-hypocrisy-on-a-level-that-defies-the-imagination/

 

http://www.david*cke.com/headlines/tag/jimmy-savile/

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/4949555/Harriet-Harman-under-attack-over-bid-to-water-down-child-pornography-law.html

 

she was a senior figure in a civil liberties organisation that wanted the age of consent to be lowered to 14 and incest decriminalised

 

  :/ Harriot Harman's one nasty bitch

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it's fucked

but....

'The age of consent is 13 in Spain. It is 14 in Albania, Austria, Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Liechtenstein, Macedonia, Montenegro, Portugal, San Marino and Serbia. It is 15 in Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, the Faroe Islands, France, Greece, Iceland, Monaco, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia and Sweden.'

Fucking hell smh.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/4949555/Harriet-Harman-under-attack-over-bid-to-water-down-child-pornography-law.html

 

she was a senior figure in a civil liberties organisation that wanted the age of consent to be lowered to 14 and incest decriminalised

 

  :/ Harriot Harman's one nasty bitch

 

Its worse then that 

 

* Miss Hewitt described PIE in glowing terms as ‘a campaigning/counselling group for adults attracted to children’; 
* The NCCL lobbied Parliament for the age of sexual consent to be cut to ten – if the child consented and ‘understood the nature of the act’. 
* It called for incest to be legalised in what one MP dubbed a ‘Lolita’s charter’; 
* The NCCL claimed research shows young paedophile victims are often ‘consenting or even the initiators of the sexual acts involved’;
* It filed a submission to Parliament claiming that ‘childhood sexual experiences,   willingly engaged in, with an adult, result in no identifiable damage’.
*  Miss Harman, as NCCL legal officer, tried to water down child pornography laws.
*  NCCL lawyers acted for a PIE member who was quizzed by police over appalling behaviour.
 
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it's consent between teenagers, at least in Spain

yh is that not what they meant when they wanted to lower it then?

 

 

probably, not sure though judging by her sympathy towards paedophilia

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Harriet Harman has said she "regrets" that a civil liberties group she used to work for had links to pro-paedophile campaigners in the 1970s and 1980s.

The National Council for Civil Liberties granted "affiliate" status to the Paedophile Information Exchange.

The Daily Mail has urged the deputy Labour leader to explain this link.

Ms Harman accused the paper of running a "smear campaign". Her spokeswoman later said Ms Harman "regrets the existence of" the pro-paedophile group.

Appearing on BBC Two's Newsnight programme on Monday, she repeatedly sidestepped questions about whether it had been a mistake to allow the Paedophile Information Exchange to be affiliated to the civil liberties group.

 

'Titivating photographs'

"It is not the case that my work, when I was at the National Council for Civil Liberties, was influenced by PIE, was apologising for paedophilia or colluding with paedophilia. That is an unfair inference and a smear," she said.

"My work has always been, when I was at the National Council for Civil Liberties and when I have been in politics and ministerial office, to protect children, especially from child abuse."

 

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Harriet Harman: "That is an unfair inference and a smear"

 

Her spokeswoman later told the BBC: "Of course she regrets any organisation's involvement with them, including the National Council for Civil Liberties. But they were immaterial to her work.

"She does not regret joining the National Council for Civil Liberties. By the time she arrived they were very much under the radar and her work focused on other things, such as marches, apartheid and trade unions."

From 1978 to 1982 Ms Harman was legal officer at the National Council for Civil Liberties, which was the predecessor to campaign group Liberty.

The Paedophile Information Exchange - a group that spoke positively about adults attracted to children - was granted affiliate status with the National Council for Civil Liberties before Ms Harman joined.

 

On Monday, she released a statement saying the Daily Mail was "not entitled" to "smear me with innuendo because they disagree with me politically and hate my values".

Ms Harman then told Newsnight: "It is ironic that they're accusing me of supporting indecency in relation to children when they themselves are not above producing photographs of very young girls, titivating photographs, in bikinis."

On Tuesday she tweeted the message "when it comes to decency and sexualisation of children, would you take lessons from the Daily Mail?" alongside a picture of a Daily Mail website article featuring a picture of a 12-year-old in her "first bikini shoot".

In her statement Ms Harman also said anyone could apply to join the National Council for Civil Liberties upon payment of a fee, and it had had about 6,000 members and nearly 1,000 affiliated organisations when she joined.

 

'Despicable views'

The newspaper initially accused her of having "tried to water down child pornography laws" during her time at the National Council for Civil Liberties, and then said she had failed to answer the central questions in its report.

It has said Ms Harman, the shadow culture secretary, and her husband, Labour MP Jack Dromey, who also used to work at the National Council for Civil Liberties, had instead used "pedantry and obfuscation" to counter its claims.

 

_73198849_de03-1.jpgMs Harman and Ms Hewitt were leading members of the National Council for Civil Liberties, now known as Liberty
 

Former Labour Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt, who as the the National Council for Civil Liberties' general secretary from 1974 to 1983 has also featured in the Daily Mail's coverage, has yet to comment on the story. Ms Hewitt stood down as an MP in 2010.

A spokesman for the newspaper said: "For 10 weeks now the Mail has repeatedly asked three leading Labour figures to answer questions about the involvement of the NCCL, a body in which they played leading roles, with a vile paedophile group.

"The belated statements today (Monday) of Ms Harman and her husband - full of pedantry and obfuscation - failed to answer the Mail's central points."

 

Mr Dromey, in a statement released on Monday, said he had made "repeated public condemnations" of the pro-paedophile group, describing the accusations against him as "untrue".

"Sexual abuse of children is evil and I have always viewed paedophiles and any group associated with them as evil," he added.

"During my time on the NCCL executive, I was at the forefront of repeated public condemnations of PIE and their despicable views."

 

The National Council for Civil Liberties was founded in 1934 as a result of fears that the right to peaceful protest was under threat.

According to Liberty, its successor group, the founders' aim was to defend "the whole spirit of British freedom".

The Paedophile Information Exchange was an international organisation of people who traded obscene material.

It made national newspaper headlines in the early 1980s when members faced charges of publishing and sending articles through the post, and was disbanded in 1984.

Its ex-leader reportedly said paedophilia was "as much a healthy part of the natural diversity of our species as red hair or left-handedness".

 

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