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I've always found Boris off-putting

 

the whole bumbling fool act - it's 2015 and he's still getting away with it  :confused:

 

That's him, I don't think it's an act. He's obviously very intelligent, the bumbling is a result of that.

 

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As for the election - Ed sold us out. Should have been David vs David but he sold his brother out for some beta-male dream.

 

David Miliband was a political alpha. I think he would have relished the position and wouldn't have been such a flighty candidate.

 

Hold tight the UKIP d*ckheads, your one chance at a good political leader has gone - Farage will be replaced by replacement after replacement of d*ckheads with no direction and more and more racist urges until they fall out of existence.

 

Please nobody gas up that Chuka guy to become some Obama type - it won't work out well. If he saves that political Ace for ten years or so and develops a record that the voters who remember this defeat can see and approve of, he's set for a good future and Labour can have another chance.

 

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Notice how the Tories held on for nearly 3 generations? 1979 to 1997...That's a huge amount of time.

 

I predict at least one more Tory victory and then Labour has a chance. This is the chance for the young blood to cut their teeth. Voters aren't easily swayed, Cameron only needs to see a bit of growth between now and the next election and he's nailed at least one more for his party and can retire to Boris' Johnson's fanfare arrival as Prime Minister in 2019.

 

Boris will get the same two-term treatment from Middle England that Thatcher got and London will get huge development.

 

If we don't start war before then.

 

Like I said, Chuka will get slaughtered if he is put forward as a leader between now and I'd say 2023 (at LEAST). Boris is next up, believe this. Labour has no viable candidate and will need time to build up the political momentum again - the party is in tatters.

 

To be honest, Chuka had better follow Boris's lead on things and NOT his party's. As stupid as that sounds, I think it's going to take sucking up to the Tories for a while - not an easy task, admittedly.

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By 'follow Boris' lead' - I mean court big business.

 

Be pro Euro, but be very pro-German in his connections. Developing ties with Germany is like indirectly creating ties with Russia.

 

Germany is a friendly node that is basically inviting Russian money. The more business links we can build with Germany, the better.

Even China has respect for the technical excellence of Germany, and it cannot compete in the European market as well because of basic geography - so Chinese money is always flowing in.

 

If he is indirect with his connections with Germany, I promise you he can succeed. Cameron is playing a risky card being pro-EU because he knows that he's mixing true-Blue political blood with a tainted EU bloodline. Now you have everything from Turks to Slavs to Gypsies in the EU - and huge amounts of sleeper Russian bank accounts, the Establishment would really rather not be seen to do business there.

 

Tony Blair courted Russians directly and it almost worked. Cameron courted Qatar and India and Saudi Arabia. Chuka had better court Germany and prop up the EU from OUR side of things before things go too far right in Germany. This will happen as soon as countries like Greece and Spain start moving towards socialism.

 

Germany is basically balancing the right wing urges of France and the UK with the left wing urges of Spain, Greece, Portugal and the former communist Baltic states. It keeps things kosher by taking everyone's money and producing high quaity, 'Made in the EU' goods that the whole group benefits from.

 

Since we basically bombed their political slate clean in 1945, they've been quite good at accommodating liberal ideas with more traditional, practical poltiics. To Germany, the Right feels like Hitler - even though if Hitler could speak for himself, I'm sure he'd put himself centre-left. The Left in Germany looks like conservatism to us.

 

It's quite strange to look at from the outside - it's as if they're trying NOT to be too left or too right, in case they wake up as the Fourth Reich :lol:

 

Great political proving ground. Chuka should do the MEP thing.

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Chukka isnt intelligent enough

He has nothing to say but pointless political spin

He always tows the party line..

He's weak and an inadequate orator

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chuka will be a disaster

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Chukka isnt intelligent enough

He has nothing to say but pointless political spin

He always tows the party line..

He's weak and an inadequate orator

100% agree.

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Two pos's

 

So which p*ssy negged?

 

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Chukka isn't ready yet, this is my point

 

He needs to friend up and network. He's a 'Community Organizer' type. Busy kissing kids and being seen around his constituency.

 

Boris is cutting his teeth having overseen the Olympics, a Royal Wedding, two babies and huge developments in London. It's the perfect backdrop for a step into the leaders position.

 

Chukka can't chat to a man like Boris, from time Boris knows the developers with links to every housing association in ANY borough you could ever represent in London...and he can get things done/not done. Like I said, he needs an angle - and pro-EU is the only hope.

 

Oversee some skills exchange programmes, look at building links with the Commonwealth, using his 'African' card to bring some of that Naija/Arsenal money into London. THEN we'll see him as a man of the people - AND someone who knows business.

 

That's the only way. It has to be New Labour 3.0 (if we assume 2.0 was 'Blue' Labour).

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Ironic that people still think Boris is. A bumbling incompetent , his record speaks for itself IMO

Andy burhmam.is toxic northern dinosaur for labour in London

Just watch his acceptance speech after he won his seat again, nothing but denigration of 'london'

Yvette cooper is tainted by being married to the clown that is Ed balls and never answers a question properly

And no one knows Dan Jarvis..guy should change his name to don Jarvis then hrl get the black vote

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Labour lost cos they have no real plan or structure on Finance and Migration.

 

Like these man actually went to an election and banged the NHS drum against the Conversatives, its a fair one but in 2015, sadly nobody cares.

 

Then there was the likeable/trust in Milband being the man that "runs" your country.

 

Then there is the fail that is Ed Balls, he comes with the stink of Gordon Brown, he gets bodied by Osbourne which lets be honest is another resignable offence.

 

If Labour now allow Balls' wife to run them, they are fucked. Balls needs to fade to black, daddy daycare is him for a minute.

 

Burnham is there only hope, but he's too scouse, altho if he comes in, and the Hilsborough ruling goes well for him, he does generate some good momentum, but again now ain't the time to bang the NHS drum.

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Wouldnt say eds labour was blue labour at all, quite the opposite, which is why alot of commentators say is a reason for thier failure

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Fuck Ed

From time Donny was saying Ed can't be leading the country I knew what time it was

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only skimmed the article but can you point out where he threw ed under the bus please?

 

That article is his personal statement on his leadership campaign

 

Title should be: Where Ed went wrong – and what I will do to put it right

 

also in other media

 

 

He told the BBC’s Andrew Marr: “For middle-income voters there was not enough of an aspirational offer there . . . I don’t think you can argue you are pro-business if you are always beating up on the terms and conditions of the people who make business work.”

 

He added: “You cannot be pro the kind of jobs we want to see if you aren’t backing the people who create them.”

 

Whos he talking about then? Hes undermining Eds zero contract position

 

I aint saying hes wrong but i doubt hes got a chance. But who knows, hes as far from ed as you want to be.

 

Him appearing with lord mandelson just gives people the impression hes blair v2, along with other factors seen certain comments...

 

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They screaming new labour back (8)

Y.Blairite

I don't think he should go for it now but can be risk Eds successor winning the next election and waiting at least ten years to run for the labour leadership position?

It's a tough one. He could grow into the role. He has Tonys backing. He is central and appeals to the lower and middle class while not alienating the upper class.

Will have to see how the other candidates do and what they are offering.

Appointing a black leader could be a good strategy though. Any smer campaign from the Tories and Murdock would have to be careful to not get tied with the race card.

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a black man aint becoming prime minister of this country

 

not in any of our lifetimes

 

certain things are insitutions and are off limits for ethnics here - royal family, james bond, pm, lord mayor etc.

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Guardian poll has him 2nd behind David Milliband in the vote on their website to become the next labour leader. So that basically makes him first out the 4 other realistic candidates assuming that David won't do a u-turn.

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wont even have the obama factor cos of his wife

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Please let it be Chuka

 

Would be more of a laugh then Ed

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Don't like this comparison to Obama At all

He actually annoys me.

David Milli come and save labour

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As the Labour party tears itself apart trying to come to terms with its general election performance, it should understand this reality: the right-wing press was overwhelmingly responsible for its defeat.

 
I agree with my colleague, Jane Martinson, that the fact that the bulk of UK newspapers backed the eventual winner is noteworthy.
 
It should not be overlooked because I haven’t a shadow of doubt that Ed Miliband lost because of newspaper coverage.
 
However, this view is not based on a simplistic, and narrow, Sun-wot-won-it analysis. We know that Britain’s best-selling national daily, in company with the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Daily Telegraph, consistently ran virulent anti-Labour material during the weeks of the campaign.
 
We also know that, based on newsprint sales, 57.5% of the dailies backed the Tories while 11.7 % backed Labour and, on the same metric, 66% of the Sunday nationals urged their readers to vote Conservative.
 
I also agree that Miliband suffered a pounding from those newspapers that was reminiscent of the bitterly personal attacks on Neil Kinnock in 1992 and Michael Foot in 1983.
 
I am sure that the relentless ridicule over the six-week campaign may have played some part in the voting decisions of the floating voters who buy the Sun and the Mail (and yes, there are plenty of them).
 
But that factor, in itself, did not make the really significant difference to the Tory victory in England and Wales. 
 
Instead, to understand why Labour lost, look at the overall polling figures for Nigel Farage’s Ukip. It secured 4.8m votes across the UK and its effect on Labour has not been sufficiently understood.
 
Despite Ukip winning only one seat, it delivered the best performance by a new independent party in post-war English politics, as the Telegraph rightly reported.
 
Many, many traditional Labour voters abandoned the party in order to vote for Ukip. In several seats that Labour regarded as winnable marginals, expecting to tip out Tory incumbents, the party was foiled by Ukip.
 
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Just look at the results for Pudsey, Keighley, Cleethorpes, Warrington South, Rossendale & Darwen, Nuneaton, Cannock Chase, Northampton North and Ipswich (and other marginals). In every case, Labour failed because of the votes for Ukip.
 
I concede that it’s difficult to be sure whether the majority of Ukip’s support came from the Tories or Labour. But there is a big clue to Labour defections by looking at Ukip’s support at the expense of Labour in very safe Labour seats. 
 
In Dagenham and Rainham, for example, there was a 12.5% swing from Labour to Ukip despite the popularity of Labour’s excellent MP, Jon Cruddas. In Hartlepool, a 13.9% swing from Labour to Ukip helped the latter to finish in second place.
 
In the three seats in Hull - East, North and West & Hessle - Ukip managed second place finishes. Elsewhere, in Merthy Tydfil for instance, there were swings away from Labour to Ukip. And in many safe Tory seats, Ukip pushed Labour into second place.
 
Ukip’s twin policy plank - halt immigration and pull out of the European Union - clearly appealed to voters in traditional Labour areas. I am not alone in pointing this out. Here’s Oxford university’s Stephen Fisher:
 
“The rise of Ukip that was expected to disproportionately hurt the Tories, in fact seems to have undermined the Labour performance more”.
 
Yes, yes, yes. Before Labour beats itself up about its supposed failure to attract support from the middle class, it needs to grasp the reasons for Ukip’s polling success in its working class heartlands.
 
But why did Ukip do so well? Because in the five years leading up to the election, the right-wing press lent it, and its policies, credence.
 
In an effort to ensure that David Cameron’s Conservative party followed a largely anti-EU agenda, newspapers gave disproportionately favourable coverage to Farage and his party.
 
They certainly poked fun at some of his supporters and, at various points, questioned Ukip’s credibility. Yet they treated the party’s policies, including its anti-immigrant stance, with undue sympathy. And that includes the Sun, which - under instructions from its owner, Rupert Murdoch - has been careful to avoid overt criticism of immigration.
 
It’s true that only the Daily Express actually endorsed Farage’s party (“Vote Ukip for a patriotic Britain”) after its owner, Richard Desmond, gave it £1.3m.
 
Much more significant than that single last-minute endorsement was the overall support for years across all the papers of the right.
 
It has, of course, worked out well for those publishers who favour Brexit or, at the least, some kind of radical reform of Britain’s EU membership. Cameron might well have avoided holding an in-out referendum without Ukip’s existence and its newspaper support.
 
What remains troubling in the long term for Labour is the possibility that it can never win back support from those who left it to vote Ukip.
 
Unless Labour comes to terms with the fact that many of its former voters are concerned about immigration and about the EU’s open borders policy, the party’s discussions about its future direction, and about its choice of leader, will be irrelevant.
 
The press’s role in the 2015 election requires more investigation. As so often, the coverage over six weeks tells us little more than we could have anticipated before the campaign began. Agenda-setting over a longer period is far more important.
 
 
 

 

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does he honestly believe he has a chance of becoming pm in the united kingdom?

 

i swear some niggas have zero awareness

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New Obama

Auntie Michelle? Or Auntie Becky?

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