Grime Music is the reason there are more stabbings and shootings?

[Guest RBG]

the same ol crap about how they did this *insert some sort of crime*or they would do suttin to somebodythey may not be THE reason for these teenage killings but for me they are apart of the problem

See all of you are saying its apart of the problem...But your not explaining why its apart of the problem...

coz it influences ppl as crazy as it sounds ppl listen to those lyrics think that coolthey want to live that lifestyle, they hearing them talk about i got this and that and i did this to get itto a young boy who doesnt have alot and wants what he hears them talk about, he may get from certain grime/hip hop songs that thats the only way to get itnow im not saying that all ppl get that from it coz thats clearly no the case

Exactlylook how many people on here actually believe they are living in an idealistic hip hop songGrime will not influence any person with half a brain to stab someone, although we all know that many people who listen to grime do not have half a brain

Whos that white hoe in ur sig?Porn?

[Guest RBG]

the same ol crap about how they did this *insert some sort of crime*or they would do suttin to somebodythey may not be THE reason for these teenage killings but for me they are apart of the problem

See all of you are saying its apart of the problem...But your not explaining why its apart of the problem...

coz it influences ppl as crazy as it sounds ppl listen to those lyrics think that coolthey want to live that lifestyle, they hearing them talk about i got this and that and i did this to get itto a young boy who doesnt have alot and wants what he hears them talk about, he may get from certain grime/hip hop songs that thats the only way to get itnow im not saying that all ppl get that from it coz thats clearly no the case

i believe that happens on a certain level, a miniscule level. ud be stupid to say music isnt influential at all, but ppl are goin on like its turnt normal well behaved children into criminals because R.A told them to do it.

i didnt say it was THE reason i said it was apart of them problem

On a scale of 1-100% how much would you say its ''apart of the problem'' then

[Guest PennyTraitor]

the same ol crap about how they did this *insert some sort of crime*or they would do suttin to somebodythey may not be THE reason for these teenage killings but for me they are apart of the problem

See all of you are saying its apart of the problem...But your not explaining why its apart of the problem...

coz it influences ppl as crazy as it sounds ppl listen to those lyrics think that coolthey want to live that lifestyle, they hearing them talk about i got this and that and i did this to get itto a young boy who doesnt have alot and wants what he hears them talk about, he may get from certain grime/hip hop songs that thats the only way to get itnow im not saying that all ppl get that from it coz thats clearly no the case

i believe that happens on a certain level, a miniscule level. ud be stupid to say music isnt influential at all, but ppl are goin on like its turnt normal well behaved children into criminals because R.A told them to do it.

i didnt say it was THE reason i said it was apart of them problem

ppl are going on like its one of the main problems tho, it isnt. if u took grime away things would b no different, if anything worse. ud still have movies like 'american gangster' etc that influence ppl more.ive heard 'im on dis frank lucas ting this year fam trust me'never heard 'ye im gonna b like scorcher, watch me'feel me?

[Guest The Member]

the same ol crap about how they did this *insert some sort of crime*or they would do suttin to somebodythey may not be THE reason for these teenage killings but for me they are apart of the problem

See all of you are saying its apart of the problem...But your not explaining why its apart of the problem...

coz it influences ppl as crazy as it sounds ppl listen to those lyrics think that coolthey want to live that lifestyle, they hearing them talk about i got this and that and i did this to get itto a young boy who doesnt have alot and wants what he hears them talk about, he may get from certain grime/hip hop songs that thats the only way to get itnow im not saying that all ppl get that from it coz thats clearly no the case

100% pie..I know for a fact most teens would rather bang out uncle murder and shot then write some lyrics and do grime...Most people i know do grime because of there love for music not to make money...Nobody who lives the lifestyle wants somebody who doesnt live the lifestyle to really experience the lifestyle...

you thinking that im saying that certain artist write these bars to influence ppl in a negative way on purposeim def. not saying thati know that they dont want ppl to live that kind of lifestyle but its what ppl get from it

[Guest ShabbzE3]

GRIME KILLED LONDON

[Fearless-Guy]

I was saying to him the music is a like a youth music and youth music is rebellious it always has been from them rock n roll punk ska rave etc all what the music does is give a voice to whats happening and what people are thinking same way it has from rock n roll punk ska etc

real talk

except the rebellion of old was "My son has grown shoulder length hair and is smoking cigarettes all thanks to The Beatles"compared to"My son has just murdered a young woman and raped her corpse all thanks to Wiley"

obvioulsy not the beatles, but youd be surprised of the antics of the youth in the past eg. mods and rockers

[Trane]

Music nowadays is NEVER a reflection of society. Its just talentless idiot running about telling other idiot whatever will make them look less like an idiot. Music nowadays represents and reflects nothing but the extreme minority of idiots in this country who feel they are superior enough to speak for the rest of us.Part of the problem really, people see Wiley as a reflection of society. IMAGINE THAT

You sound like apart of the problem...Of course music reflects society, it always has and it always will...How can you say people likedizzie rascaldimplesdevlinwretch 32bashygoodzghettoscorcherblack the ripperimpulsetinchyetc etc are talentlesssum bullshitIf you think you have more important things to say whats stopping you from doing it otherwise you might aswell just jam and stop hating..

Hating you know. Yea still, ive always aspired to be a grime mc but im sh*t at it so I cuss those good at it instead still. To say it reflects SOCIETY, is giving it FAR TOO MUCH CREDIT. It reflects a minority of the marginalised peoples opinions in London. Grime music represents so little of the society, its silly. Also, who said they were talentless Most of those HAVE SOME talent, but like I said, 5% init.

Whats wrong with being a grime mc?So you wanna white guys in suits spitting about the stock market and how hard it was growing up in a private school and having everyfing they wanted in life...So it doesnt reflect the life of young males and how they grew up, what they had to do to survive and whats happening on the streets etc?Skeenlol @ saying only 5% of grime artists have talent...You could say the same for every music genre that ever existed of exists or ever will exist...

Probably the only HALF decent point you have ever raised on these forums. Fair enough. 5% of the people who are said to have talent, or are given credit in the grime world, actually HAVE talent. I dont mean 5% of the whole population of MCs actually have talent you f*ck*ng dunce.

Your problem with grime music seems to go deeper then the fact you think it is part of the reason teens commit crime....You got some serios hate towards it for some reason...Wow im a dunce, That means so much coming from you thankz..Dem life changing quotes dere...

way i see it is hes one of those backpacker hip hop types that feels he HAS to hate grime because hes too above it.thats how it comes across anyway...not jus goin by this topic either..

LOL @ you guys. Fools. I dont even like MUCH backpack hip hop. I think its all pretentious shite init. Although id chose Mos Def over Akon still. See, the problem is, its hard for me to communicate this to you lot, theres a slight conflict of interests here. End of the day, nobody is saying someone throws on some RSGs and goes and shoots someone, youd have to be a simpleton to even assume someone was thinking that, but what people (well, only me it would seem) is trying to say, is ITS NOT HELPING. Most people who listen to grime and are influenced by it are people under the age of 16, and these people are not as rational and level headed as you (well, im not too sure about that still), and I. Fact is, most MCs are not talking about guns because they are expressing THEIR LIVES on record, they are doing it because they know CHILDREN (the audience), LIKE it. Its simple. Just saying, its not helping, and its making the culture of VIOLENCE, not just guns, seem a reasonable course of action to solve a problem at best and an admirable lifestyle and something to aspire to at worst. But really, thats typical init. Theres always a genre that seeks to appeal to the children, and usually its music of a rebellious nature, it just so happens that this just seems alot more violent than previous attempts (as someone else rightfully pointed out)

[Guest The Member]

the same ol crap about how they did this *insert some sort of crime*or they would do suttin to somebodythey may not be THE reason for these teenage killings but for me they are apart of the problem

See all of you are saying its apart of the problem...But your not explaining why its apart of the problem...

coz it influences ppl as crazy as it sounds ppl listen to those lyrics think that coolthey want to live that lifestyle, they hearing them talk about i got this and that and i did this to get itto a young boy who doesnt have alot and wants what he hears them talk about, he may get from certain grime/hip hop songs that thats the only way to get itnow im not saying that all ppl get that from it coz thats clearly no the case

i believe that happens on a certain level, a miniscule level. ud be stupid to say music isnt influential at all, but ppl are goin on like its turnt normal well behaved children into criminals because R.A told them to do it.

i didnt say it was THE reason i said it was apart of them problem

On a scale of 1-100% how much would you say its ''apart of the problem'' then

no one can answer thatgiving it 1% all of a sudden doesnt mean we should just forget about its influences

[Guest RBG]

the same ol crap about how they did this *insert some sort of crime*or they would do suttin to somebodythey may not be THE reason for these teenage killings but for me they are apart of the problem

See all of you are saying its apart of the problem...But your not explaining why its apart of the problem...

coz it influences ppl as crazy as it sounds ppl listen to those lyrics think that coolthey want to live that lifestyle, they hearing them talk about i got this and that and i did this to get itto a young boy who doesnt have alot and wants what he hears them talk about, he may get from certain grime/hip hop songs that thats the only way to get itnow im not saying that all ppl get that from it coz thats clearly no the case

100% pie..I know for a fact most teens would rather bang out uncle murder and shot then write some lyrics and do grime...Most people i know do grime because of there love for music not to make money...Nobody who lives the lifestyle wants somebody who doesnt live the lifestyle to really experience the lifestyle...

you thinking that im saying that certain artist write these bars to influence ppl in a negative way on purposeim def. not saying thati know that they dont want ppl to live that kind of lifestyle but its what ppl get from it

Then i slighty misunderstood you....Only the very weak minded would interpret there lyrics and want to live like them imo...

[Guest ShabbzE3]

f*ck GRIME

[Guest RBG]

f*ck GRIME

You from Brighton doe..YMCA influences violent crimes your area such as gay rape..

[Guest ShabbzE3]

f*ck GRIME

You from Brighton doe..YMCA influences violent crimes your area such as gay rape..

TULSE HILL IS NOT IN BRIGHTONEEEEEEEEEJIT

[Guest The Member]

the same ol crap about how they did this *insert some sort of crime*or they would do suttin to somebodythey may not be THE reason for these teenage killings but for me they are apart of the problem

See all of you are saying its apart of the problem...But your not explaining why its apart of the problem...

coz it influences ppl as crazy as it sounds ppl listen to those lyrics think that coolthey want to live that lifestyle, they hearing them talk about i got this and that and i did this to get itto a young boy who doesnt have alot and wants what he hears them talk about, he may get from certain grime/hip hop songs that thats the only way to get itnow im not saying that all ppl get that from it coz thats clearly no the case

i believe that happens on a certain level, a miniscule level. ud be stupid to say music isnt influential at all, but ppl are goin on like its turnt normal well behaved children into criminals because R.A told them to do it.

i didnt say it was THE reason i said it was apart of them problem

ppl are going on like its one of the main problems tho, it isnt. if u took grime away things would b no different, if anything worse. ud still have movies like 'american gangster' etc that influence ppl more.ive heard 'im on dis frank lucas ting this year fam trust me'never heard 'ye im gonna b like scorcher, watch me'feel me?

i understand what youre sayini know theres MANY other factors involved which is why i cant say how much of a problem it is

[Guest The Member]

the same ol crap about how they did this *insert some sort of crime*or they would do suttin to somebodythey may not be THE reason for these teenage killings but for me they are apart of the problem

See all of you are saying its apart of the problem...But your not explaining why its apart of the problem...

coz it influences ppl as crazy as it sounds ppl listen to those lyrics think that coolthey want to live that lifestyle, they hearing them talk about i got this and that and i did this to get itto a young boy who doesnt have alot and wants what he hears them talk about, he may get from certain grime/hip hop songs that thats the only way to get itnow im not saying that all ppl get that from it coz thats clearly no the case

100% pie..I know for a fact most teens would rather bang out uncle murder and shot then write some lyrics and do grime...Most people i know do grime because of there love for music not to make money...Nobody who lives the lifestyle wants somebody who doesnt live the lifestyle to really experience the lifestyle...

you thinking that im saying that certain artist write these bars to influence ppl in a negative way on purposeim def. not saying thati know that they dont want ppl to live that kind of lifestyle but its what ppl get from it

Then i slighty misunderstood you....Only the very weak minded would interpret there lyrics and want to live like them imo...

a weak mind or like i said b4 someone who has very little

[Guest PennyTraitor]

i also think this too.people that say it isnt are deluded.the youngers watch channel u and think its all cool to talk about beating and stabbing people.pride in youngers has risen over the last 4 years.u can get stabbed for nothing now days.

i was jus tryna get away from this type of belief tbh.why is it tho that alot of people have a hate for mc's/grime music.

[Guest ShabbzE3]

BLAME GRIME FOR GUN CRIMEDONT BECOME ANOTHER STATISTIC

[Guest Mr. Estacado]

People in here are chatting bare sh*t....You think Grime Artists make music to encourage Teens to go out and kill each other?On a level nowadays not many Grime Artists spit about going out and killing other people....They talk bout real life, what its really like to be young males living in London....Grime Music gives a voice to people that would not normally be given a voice anywere else...If major labels signed for grime artists then maybe it would lead to even more positive music...For years the authorties in the UK and USA have tried to blame crime on music and the people fall for the bait stereotypes every single time...Its no R.A who brings guns and drugs into the country, its not R.A who gives teens nothing other to do then try make money or have fights....Its much much much deeper then Grime....Grime is a positive movement imo....If it wernt for grime there would probably even more crime because there would be even less stuff for teens to focus on...If you throw lots of poor familes with children onto a rundown estate with guns and drugs circulating of course there is gonna be deaths....You cant blame music for that...IMO the media and goverment are just trying to find something to blame it on because they know the truth lies closer to home then some guys spitting...

realest talk in here

[Guest RBG]

i also think this too.people that say it isnt are deluded.the youngers watch channel u and think its all cool to talk about beating and stabbing people.pride in youngers has risen over the last 4 years.u can get stabbed for nothing now days.

Channel u is not proper grime doe....Also the videos with violent lyrics get removed from there...What has that got to do with grime music doe...Chat bare sh*t..Sound like someone who gets bullied often...The mentallity of ''blud il shank u up if u step on my fresh crepz'' is stupid but it has nothing to do with grime imo...Acting like if Grime never excisted London would be the safest place in the world...

[Taurus]

You know what makes me vexed the way we're portrayed in the mainstream presslike its our fault they may be a death, what you want me to say blaze me instead?they say we're promoting guns, well computer games do the sameinfact on a console you could be actually loading one, so whos to blame?even films give a nigger a route to kill, use your braintake note our scenes a scapegoat for the governments failurethey say our people die when this musics played, its becoming a danger

[Guest ShabbzE3]

Grime promotes violence and its a prerogative scence" ill leng you down blud "" ill shank you "" suck ur nan "etc

[Guest PennyTraitor]

You know what makes me vexed the way we're portrayed in the mainstream presslike its our fault they may be a death, what you want me to say blaze me instead?they say we're promoting guns, well computer games do the sameinfact on a console you could be actually loading one, so whos to blame?even films give a nigger a route to kill, use your braintake note our scenes a scapegoat for the governments failurethey say our people die when this musics played, its becoming a danger

this not only proved mine and bane's etc point but shows that the music isnt jus shank shank that ppl claim it is./thread

[The Somalian]

The guy I was talking to said grime and channel u was a BIG part in the rise of gun and knife crime which is bollockshe said my step brother use to be cool but now when he sees him he is mc'ing chatting bad man lyrics saying its channel u and grimes faultI am trying to explain that the guy is a black teenager so he is gonna relate to the stuff he sees and will spit some bars and make his own little crew a crew is really and truely an ''urban band'' thats part of growing up everyone went through that same way a white youth will see some rock group and might start a bandI see no diffrence in thats the way it has always been thats how you got the beetles, so solid, artic monkeys etclook at them as musicians yeah they can have influence but not bigger influence than there actual enviormentit is like me saying crack addiction has risen let me blame amy winhouse thats dumball what grime and channel u is guilty of is some cheap ass vids and making alot of swag people think they have talentI was trying to tell him what about black people chatting on jungle b4 that many had badman lyrics then and the sound system ting back in the 80's people them guys had violent lyrics then what is the diffrence? the computer the tv the dvd player not much proper interactions so many can not exress themselfs emotionally so it comes out in bad behaviour all them things plus many more need to be looked at before music has the finger pointed

[Guest RBG]

You know what makes me vexed the way we're portrayed in the mainstream presslike its our fault they may be a death, what you want me to say blaze me instead?they say we're promoting guns, well computer games do the sameinfact on a console you could be actually loading one, so whos to blame?even films give a nigger a route to kill, use your braintake note our scenes a scapegoat for the governments failurethey say our people die when this musics played, its becoming a danger

this not only proved mine and bane's etc point but shows that the music isnt jus shank shank that ppl claim it is./thread

c/s

[Michael Scofield]

Films, Music, Games all contribute to it. Especially in the higher class areas.

[Matholomew]

i also think this too.people that say it isnt are deluded.the youngers watch channel u and think its all cool to talk about beating and stabbing people.pride in youngers has risen over the last 4 years.u can get stabbed for nothing now days.

Channel u is not proper grime doe....Also the videos with violent lyrics get removed from there...What has that got to do with grime music doe...Chat bare sh*t..Sound like someone who gets bullied often...The mentallity of ''blud il shank u up if u step on my fresh crepz'' is stupid but it has nothing to do with grime imo...Acting like if Grime never excisted London would be the safest place in the world...

u really are a little cheese pervert aint you.go and play with traffic