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URIOUS FA and TV chiefs have declared war on an American website which is screening live top-flight English matches for FREE.The Premier League are threatening legal action against San Francisco-based video- streaming portal Justin.tvThousands of fans are logging on to the site, co-founded by 24-year-old Yale graduate Justin Kan, to avoid paying subscriptions to British TV companies Sky and Setanta, which hold the exclusive UK rights to show live Premier League matches.Yesterday, ???? viewers logged on to watch the games between ?? and ??, while ??? watched the ??? v ??? match — despite neither being broadcast in this country.Last Wednesday, only Arsenal’s incredible 4-4 draw with Tottenham was broadcast live in England. Yet, by simply logging on to www.justin.tv fans could watch Manchester United’s 2-0 triumph over West Ham, Chelsea’s 3-0 win at Hull, Fulham’s 2-0 win over Wigan and the Emirates eight-goal thriller — all LIVE.AbuseNot surprisingly, the United game was most viewed, with 167,138 hits, while the Arsenal-Spurs showdown boasted 148,063 viewers.Premier League spokesman Dan Johnson insisted: “We are in contact with this site and their lawyers and are seeking to prevent any further abuse of our rights.“The streaming of live Premier League matches without permission is not only illegal, but also unfair on fans who have paid to go to matches or subscribed to Sky and Setanta.“Their support means clubs can buy and develop the best players possible and invest in bigger, better and safer grounds.”England’s 4-1 World Cup qualifying win over Croatia in September was also shown live on Justin.tv — despite the match being broadcast exclusively by Setanta Sports.Six separate streams were available, with commentary coming from Setanta’s Jon Champion.The most popular feed saw a peak of 30,819 viewers.The FA last night confirmed their lawyers will also be sending a legal letter to Justin.tv bosses. An FA spokesman said: “We are aware that websites around the world are seeking to exploit the popularity of English football.“We take any infringements of our broadcasting rights very seriously and we will be looking at this particular website very carefully.“We always take action to protect our rights and will do so again in this case.”Justin.tv hit the world stage when Kan strapped a camera to his head and started streaming every moment of his life over the web.The site, launched in March last year, quickly evolved and now boasts thousands of diverse lifestyle channels, from the breeding of boa constrictors to news from Pakistan.But the live football streams are by far the most popular area of the site among UK users, especially on a Saturday afternoon when games are unavailable to viewers in this country.And the concept couldn’t be simpler. Anyone with legal live access of a game can, via a webcam pointed at their TV screen, upload their feed to Justin.tv for the world to watch — illegally.For instance, last Sunday’s Premier League clash between Chelsea and Liverpool was available live on no fewer than EIGHT different channels on Justin.tv.And the best quality feed came through one calledp2pstation.net, which had uploaded a feed from a user watching South African sports channel Super Sport. The English commentary came from ex-Spurs boss David Pleat and Sky’s Alan Parry.The channel had no fewer than 574,000 hits with a peak of 19,081 viewers watching at any given time.British TV companies signed a £2.6BILLION three-year deal with the Premier League in August 2006 to screen football (both live and highlight packages) until 2010.PiracySky splashed out £1.3bn and Setanta £392m to secure exclusive live UK rights, while the BBC coughed up £172m and Sky, together with BT, another £84m for British highlights.And the Premier League also raked in a further £625m by selling overseas rights but Justin.tv did not buy these.Setanta Sports marketing director Timothy Ryan said: “As rights holders we believe what Justin.tv is doing amounts to piracy. It contravenes the owners’ rights which has implications for us.Wayne Rooney“We are working closely with the Premier League and other rights holders to clamp down on piracy such as that represented by Justin.tv.”Since its launch, the website has added one million users and has racked up more than half a million hours of video — or 62 YEARS — on the site.Justin.tv’s numbers are stunning: over the last year, over 90,000 channels have been created, more than 24,000 events broadcast and more than 61,000 video clips uploaded from Justin.tv to YouTube.Justin.tv’s own promotional website wording reads: “Justin.tv is building a destination site for broadcasting and watching live video online while chatting with friends.“The company’s mission is to enable viewers and broadcasters to interact and exchange ideas in real time through chat and live video.”And their mission, in their own words, reads: “In the past, live broadcasting was only available to large media corporations who were willing to spend millions of dollars.Today, Justin.tv has democratised live video by shrinking all of the functionality of an expensive TV satellite trunk into a laptop or desktop computer.”ScandalJustin.tv chief executive officer Michel Seibel refused to comment on the scandal, saying only: “I haven’t got the time to talk to you and you can’t talk to anyone else about this matter.”It’s not the first time Justin.tv has been in trouble for flouting British law.The Scottish FA successfully took action against the website after it showed archived Celtic games in breach of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.Illegal broadcasts in pubs and clubs are already reported to cost Sky, Setanta and the football authorities at least £3m a year in lost revenue.Manchester United and England star Wayne Rooney’s uncle John Morrey, 56, was fined £4,000 last October for showing Sky Sports matches illegally at his Liverpool pub, the Old Stanley Arms.

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im happy tbh id rather the ban on 3pm kick offs be lifted id much rather pay and watch on sky/setanta then watch some dead out stream

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Ive got sky at home so I pay my due but if Im at work and cant see the games then Im being bumped.And for whatever reason I cant use the sky player on my laptop so thats a double bump.In this country alone there are bare ppl that miss games or shows just cos there at work or away from their tv but you dont get a discount for missing that show you love do you.If I miss the show on tv I will watch it online f*ck em, who are they to tell me I cant watch it online if Im paying the f*ck*ng bill.

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I really dont get why they dont show 3pm kick offs liveeven if theres a premium for f*ck sake some serious deprivation

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What they should do is make it so you can buy a specific package for a team like they used to when Prem Plus first come out...BUT, they should make it that on package you only get the teams AWAY games, and 6 AAA++ home games...So, if you bought a Bolton package for example, you'd get their 19 away games, and then the 6 home games that historically they always sell out (or get big crowds) for (United, Citeh, Blackburn, Liverpool, Arsenal, Wigan). It would givie the viewer the majority of their teams games, would not result in lower attendances (the A ranked games would still sell out and the away hardcore would still travel), clubs would get more money from TV and thus could lower their ticket prices.£40 a year for that.Everyones happy.

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whats the ban on 3pm kick offs?n if the games rnt shown in the UK then how is Justin TV gettin them?

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whats the ban on 3pm kick offs?n if the games rnt shown in the UK then how is Justin TV gettin them?
Games would be shown in other countries init, so other members of the website in those countries (The amount of liverpool games in malaysia is insane) point the camera at the screen and wahay, the rest of the world can enjoy the show

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whats the ban on 3pm kick offs?n if the games rnt shown in the UK then how is Justin TV gettin them?
i believe theyre banned because attendances would go down and if they showed bare games at the same time there would be a conflict of interest and less fashionable matches would end up getting hardly any viewers in comparison to the more fashionable matchesresulting in long term those games being dropped from the schedule, and them getting next to no tv money all season.west ham v bolton was on TV the other sunday, was a quality game, but if that was on at the same time as a top 4 v anyone top half clash no one bar west ham and bolton fans would of watched the game...and theyre shown online on justin tv etc because sky record all the games live, with english commentry for their extended highlights package they show on the night of the games...but they are broadcast across the world, in like singapore and sh*t with english commentry, and they are just streamed online back to england...bare pubs have massive satellite dishes and (illegally) show un-televised games in TV quality, with no lag, english commentry and punditry.funilly enough i watched that bolton v west ham game at the pub, before they switched one tv to the chelsea v villa match, and the other to the liverpool v man citeh game (both of which wernt televised legally) and everyone watched those games instead...

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This is a minor, and it's pissing in the wind. Illustrating how media companies get it so f*ck*ng wrong in '08. If it gets stamped out, 10 sites will come up in its place. The massive & increasing piracy of football, music, films, TV shows, etc is a clear-as-day signal that the consumers of these products are fed up with traditional consumption methods... there is a massive gap between what kind of service consumers want, and what is being provided to them by the big media outlets. And these days, since the technology is so widespread, consumers can bridge that gap themselves through piracy. Piracy, downloads, streams and such.. and they're regarded by business as an exploitative nuisance, instead of being recognised as the expression of discontent with the service which these businesses are selling. Instead of recognising the supply gap and trying to adapt, they want to squash the symptom of their failure.iTunes has showed that people are still willing to pay for music, iPlayer has showed that effective on-demand TV can trump pirated versions, etc. Sky etc need to devise a structural overhaul of the way they provide football, because people are fed up with the monopolistic, extortionate & limited method which is currently in play. Maybe this is the beginning of the football price bubble slowing & contracting. The product doesn't suit our needs any more, and pirates are highlighting hidden markets and untapped consumers, but providers would rather throw lawsuits around instead of evolving & reforming to change with the times.So don't worry about Justin.tv, this is like the recording industry thinking shutting down Napster would stop all illegal downloads.... Then came Audiogalaxy, IRC, Kazaa, Limewire, Soulseek etc. The technology is there, and the discontent is there, so the service will be reinvented quickly by someone

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Justin.tv just like a bunch of other sites are just democratising the broadcasting industry.From you can download Heroes in HD quality 15 minutes after it goes off air, broadcast only TV is dying. And you can lock off Justin.tv, but another site will just appear anyway.It is impossible to stop and this will mobilise the FA to HAVE TO provide all matches for view on TV in some form in a PPV format. All this talk about attendances dropping is air. Shithouse clubs like Blackburn and Wigan will never attract fans, whilst clubs like Sunderland, Spurs, West Ham and Villa are full up nearly every week.The only thing making attendances drop are obscene prices and sh*t football. And even sh*t football isn't keeping Spurs, Sunderland and West Ham fans away.

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Oh and the BBC need to let off iPlayer to other media companies. Right now they are doing some DEEPER blocking with obscenely expensive license fees for commercial broadcasters to provide quality on-demand playback.

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im happy tbh id rather the ban on 3pm kick offs be lifted id much rather pay and watch on sky/setanta then watch some dead out stream
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