FAO: Black people

[Ella]

big up carpe & smaddy for their input.

[Snoop]

Who's in favour of getting a sticky for this thread?i believe that it's useful for users on here with any form of black origin who wants to know more about their history like myself & others. The majority of users on this forum are black therefore i believe it would be a good idea to sticky this thread instead of making it disappear.

[Natty]

no one has said antyhing about carribean history. man like 001 who chats the most sh*t about jamaica yet does not know JACK about black/carribean history proves how much of a c*nt u are.

I take it you missed the bit where he said pre-slavery? I am not talking about Paul Bogle, The Maroons selling him out, the Morant Bay trial, the invasion of Jamaica by the Spanish at Discovery Bay etc. cos that is slavery talk.Tell you straight I dont know much about the rest of Carib's history. Stop vying for my attention you queen

What do you know about Paul Bogle?

[Da Luv Doc]

Yeah like Snoop said, sticky this topic.My history of the carib is rubbish but it's mostly slavery sh*t so tend to stay ignorant to that as I don't wanna hear more slavery talk.

[Gunner]

Watched all the videos posted by carpe Deum.More please.

[Da Luv Doc]

Watched all the videos posted by carpe Deum.More please.

[carpedeum]

i got some stuff in writing but ill need to summarise it cos it will be just a bit too long. ill post the book links tho. some more videos that also touch on the text to post up later. the first of 5 series.. ill post the 1st..the rest are on the right hand side or play the follwoing parts after the vid.cheikh anta's work has been carried on by some of the lecturers who taught african history at my uni

[Gunner]

Started reading this book. ''Destruction of Black Civilasation Great issues of a race from 4500 bc to AD 2000'' by chancellor williams

[MARLO STANSFIELD]

good thread my knowledge of black history is weak tbh i got some of it in school but not in depth most of the stuff im learning now im learning simultaneously with my son but better late then never i guess.thing is there are so many places to start.

[carpedeum]

ancient west african empireswhat i discovered from lectures and reading about african history is its like peeling back a chain of events that go back...WAY back and not only uncovers african history but other cultures or races we know today..in asia, south america and arabia. and then depending on how far you want to go it reveals biblical history as well. The Sinai peninsula is clearly in Africa and is where the Israelites claim to received their oral and written law (the 10 commandments). Geologically speaking all of the adjacent Arabian peninsula clear up to Syria is part of the African continent. The Great Rift Valley extends from Mozambique to Syria. this link below is an interactive map of old africa, if you zoom in you will see it includes current day arabia, syria,iran,iraq, and some parts of asia.Map of Africa in the 'old world'================

carpedeumPosted May 20 2009, 12:14 PM ^^^ soon come. im trying to find the piece on the akan tribe in ghana links to many of the ancient egyptian names, and the fact that current "jewish" scholars from israel were investigating these links in the 60's and 70's and have records of it that they were too shocked to publish.

the next video touches on some parts of what i mentioned about the linkage of west african tribes to original hebrew israelites. its not common knowledge that in the 1960's and 1970's there were Jewish scholars who were secretly traveling around Africa researching African Tribes to find out from which tribe they belonged because they were well aware of the linkage of particularly west african tribes to the original hebrew. in the the Akan Religion of the Asante people they found out the similarities between Judaism and Christianity. The word Israel was derived from an African Tribal meaning "Asrae". Most "Jewish" people still carry their African Tribal names of origin. tribes like The KAFFIR, BO, GREBO, MARIBUCK, MAVUMBA, AKRA, FANTI, AKIN, YORUBA, KONGO, AND ASHANTI. Just to name a few of the many sub-Saharan nations that engage in ancient Israelite rituals: like circumcision, division of their tribes into 12, blood sprinkling on doors and altars,separation and purification after child birth, uncleanness during menstruation ( for 8 days after the birth of a child the ASHANTI "mother is considered as unclean"), and new moon celebrations.Among the ASHANTI tribe the priesthood is hereditary to a specific family such a family has little or no possessions, is exempt from all taxes, supplied with food and advises the king which Compared to the Levities of ancient Israel both are exactly the same.The name ASHANTI has Hebrew origins, the "TI" at the end means race of or people of, Ashan was the name of a city located in southern Israel Judah (Joshua 15:42 - 19:7 / 1st chronicles 4:32 - 6:59).The word Ashan in Hebrew means smoke city / burning city. ASHANTI means the people of Ashan or the people of the smoke city, This was the reference to the city of Ashan after the Romans destroyed it in 70 C.E. all these west african tribes in parallel to the ancient hebrews all had the common beleif in ONE true God, but constantly lapsed into idolatry and therefore had a multitude of other gods side by side with their one God who is revered as the supreme God. (this was what sealed the fate of israel and its hebrew people in their relationship with God.)two good books that cover this more indepth: HEBREWISM OF WEST AFRICA By Joseph J Williams. andThe world and Africa By William Edward Burghardt Du Boisdisclaimer: i dont know if all this is 100% fact,(but personally beleive it is) but there's alot of info out there and its completely opposite to what we've grown up being 'told'.

[carpedeum]

im happy i found these .. Dr van is the author of the book "they came before columbus"he was a guest lecturer at my uni and spoke about an unmistakable african presence in the Americas long before columbus, thousands of yrs before him.. in July, 1987 Dr. Van Sertima appeared before a Congressional Committee to challenge the Columbus myth. In November 1991 he defended his thesis in an address to the Smithsonian Institute. In this arena Ivan Van Sertima has emerged as an undefeated champion.this lecture was given in london.

[Da Luv Doc]

Sick!!!!!!!!!

[VENOM]

spent the whole weekend watching the vidsseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen. so many questions seem to have been answered.most informatve thread in a long while

[kurious]

topic is decentgoogle Tama-Re*history on repeat ''In June 2005, this flamboyantly-arrayed compound was sold under government forfeiture by the U.S. Marshals Service for 1.1 million dollars[5] (York had bought the property for $975,000 in 1993) – about half of this money went to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department, while most of the rest was split between the FBI and IRS.[6]On 9 June 2005 workers began demolishing the Egyptian-styled façades, with long-time Nuwaubian nemesis Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills starting the demolition by tearing down the front arch with a front-end loader. The land has since been entirely cleared of all structures and sold to a developer, who has since built a log style hunting lodge on the property''

[carpedeum]

will smith read this thread and wants to do somethign about it!! hes gonna either star or is defo part of the production team behind a film called "the last pharaoh". which is gonna depict the life of Taharka, King of Nubia who also ruled Egypt, and who defended jerusalem from the Assyrians which staved the destruction of the city, at least for that time anyway....its not clear if he will play taharka or his name is being used to generate interest, but his production company is putting the film together. hes hired the writer of braveheart to be on the script team.people are saying that he's too light to play the part as the nubians were darker skinned. im happy either way that this is coming to the big screen.the downsides are that its hollywood, so there will be some or alot of inaccuracies. they will try and make it seem like the nubians were just an empire that rose to power after learning from the egyptians, when infact the nubia/egypt situation is exactly the same as the US/UK history where egypt came out of nubia not the other way round. i doubt this film will fully challenge the 'accepted' eurocentric story. but at least it will get people talking and that will also generate historical debate. film is due out sometime next yr

[kurious]

Malachi Z York

[Da Luv Doc]

Sick, will watch in cinema.

[General Mac]

Hollywood will always whitewash their movies simply because dark skin is not marketable to the masses. Fair enough if Will Smith plays the lead role but what about Djimon Hounsou? and other Dark Skinned actors.It's a shame that 3 generation from now the majority of kids will take the big screen as fact

[Grafter]

was just reading about UBUNTU on wikipedia, soul satisfying concept from the mother landAn attempt at a longer definition has been made by Archbishop Desmond Tutu (1999):“ A person with Ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)

[carpedeum]

watch other other parts 3 & 4 too

[carpedeum]

more 'History' channel exclusions from history: some names have been highlighted so you can look them up yourself. Black rulership of the Roman Empire begins in 193 A.D. with African born, Roman Emperor Septimus Severus. There were four other Black Roman emperors after the Severus dynasty. Hannibal, the father of many military strategies still used today like flanking, performed the astounding feat of crossing the Alps on elephants in 218 B.C. With only 26,000 of his original force of 82,000 troops remaining, Hannibal defeated Rome, the mightiest military power of that age, who had a million men, in every battle for the next fifteen years. His tactics are still taught in leading military academies of the U.S., Europe & other lands. Black rulership was present in parts of Europe during the “Dark” & Middle Ages! An African king named Gormund ruled Ireland during the Anglo-Saxon period in England reports the medieval historian Geoffrey of Monmouth. Halfdan the Black was the first Africoid king to unite Norway. The black Huns led by Attila, ravaged Europe In the 4th and 5th centuries A.D.” The Gothic writer Jordannes described their infamous leader, Attila the Hun as having “a flat nose and swarthy complexion.” He describes the types of Huns he had seen as “of dark complexion, almost black... broad shoulder, flat noses and small eyres.” The African Moors dominated southwest Europe during the Middle Ages for 700 years: 711-1492 A.D. African Moors ruling southwest Europe centuries, darkened whites in this area, especially Portal, which was “the first example of a Negrito (African) republic in Europe?" The construction of Stonehenge has been attributed to giants who sailed from Africa bringing their skills with them. The presence of giants may not necessarily be a figment of the imagination. Giants have been mentioned in the Bible. There was a Black Canaanite race called Anakim. When the Black Hebrews first saw them they realized how small they were themselves: "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.” (Numbers 13:33).Anak was a Black giant, a descendant of Canaan, the youngest son of Ham. There are other Black giants mentioned in the Bible. These are the Enim and Zamzummin, from which group Goliath and his brother emerged.The Formorians are believed to be Carthaginian pirates and/or traders. Carthage was a Phoenician colony. Attempts have been made to classify them as Semites. They belonged to the Black race.Phoenicia or Canaan was a Black civilization before the migration of Indo-Europeans. After the dispersal from the Tower of Babel, Canaan, Ham's youngest son, moved to Palestine which was then uninhabited. They called the land Canaan. The Canaanites were a very gifted people who built great cities such as Jericho. Canaan's first son, Sidon, became the father of the Sidonians or Phoenicians. When the Black Hebrews invaded their land most of the Canaanites fled Palestine to Africa.

[Duzza]

The African Moors dominated southwest Europe during the Middle Ages for 700 years: 711-1492 A.D. African Moors ruling southwest Europe centuries, darkened whites in this area, especially Portal, which was “the first example of a Negrito (African) republic in Europe?"

nahhhh, they were arabs. If Portal was a mispellling of Portugal, then nah mate no way Portugal was a "negrito" empire. You can see the arab ancestry in some portuguese, spanish or italian people but actual black? Nah don't see that..

[Da Luv Doc]

Why do people say half the moors were black arabs?

[Duzza]

Why do people say half the moors were black arabs?

maybe a lot of moors were of sub-saharan origin, but to claim Portugal (or Al-Andalus since Portugal didn't exist until the moors were kicked out) is a 'negrito' empire is reaching.This is a drawing of the Moors in spain around the time of their occupation of the iberian peinsula..Please don't think i'm trying to say there was no black moors cos I'm not saying there wasn't black people who were part of the empire but it was an Arab empire.. the picture below shows a black warrior with the moors but he's the minority..

[carpedeum]

The African Moors dominated southwest Europe during the Middle Ages for 700 years: 711-1492 A.D. African Moors ruling southwest Europe centuries, darkened whites in this area, especially Portal, which was “the first example of a Negrito (African) republic in Europe?"

nahhhh, they were arabs. If Portal was a mispellling of Portugal, then nah mate no way Portugal was a "negrito" empire. You can see the arab ancestry in some portuguese, spanish or italian people but actual black? Nah don't see that..

when people detract from aspects of black history, its advisable to back up your objection by stating your sources. this is because of the 1000 or more years of distortion and lies and exclusion done to black history, through the many books by very well known european/arab scholars have written. there is now a complete revision of what we know as history of the world, just not africa. so when you say something like "no they are arabs" what are you basing this on? the distorted history books you we grew up on? that has excluded every african influence in europe?or are you basing it on your knowledge of the History of arabs, and where THEY got their influences from? or who the arab you have today came from? who were the moors from the beginning? did they intermarry? so dont think by telling me 'no they were not black they were ___________' thats going to be enough. just like how marlo said "no the egyptians used basic mathematics, its the greeks who used advanced maths with pythagoras theorem etc"http://www.spaincostaluz.com/moors.htm