Interacial dating and black power

[Im Broke]

Tbh it's not that imo Marvel, Caribbean folk just had a BIG head start to the rest of other black folks.

This generation of Africans aren't breeding these white tings like Leroy and Desmond did in the 70's and 80's though.

[Guest petercrotch]

Tbh it's not that imo Marvel, Caribbean folk just had a BIG head start to the rest of other black folks.

This generation of Africans aren't breeding these white tings like Leroy and Desmond did in the 70's and 80's though.

LOL ^^^

[carpedeum]

arent people getting the whole "give back" thing wrong though? what exactly does giving back achieve?

a good samaritan award?

the best way to give back is to invest, to take back so to speak. and to empower people to improve themselves

take black hair care industry for example, its £2billion annual industry, with 99% of black people mainly consumers.

an uncle of my friend is one of just 2 black distributors of whole sale hair products, he supplies most of the stores in London

with his help 3 of his staff went on to run their own shops with him as their main distributor. thats and example of giving back,

he also dismisses the myth that people claim asian wholesalers sell their products much cheaper to their people and higher for blacks, making the black people sell their products in their shops for more.

he said he supplies most of the asian shops and black shops alike..same price.

the difference is the Asian guys take on his advice, and they stock accordingly. he has advised his black retailers, and they rarely take it on board. so they keep their stock..and end up with alot of unsold products, then they raise prices of other popular goods to break even

another problem is the location of stores. he has advised some black start ups about choosing their location, and this was ignored, only to see them close down within a short period. why? cos they chose to locate round the corner from the high street or most popular part because it was a few thousand cheaper. the asian store will be located on the high street, paying the premium in rent but will break even.

another thing was staffing.. the black stores will have 2 staff (again to cut costs), then they get lots of goods stolen, and they raise prices or just get bad attitude with customers because they somehow expect that a black person will for some crazy reason NOT choose to steal from a black owned shop.

so in the end most customers leave and go on to buy from the asian shop next door, who employed 10 staff from the beginning to avoid theft loss and make a profit, and the black shop will again shut down in a few months.

it wont take magic for black people to control their own industry, it just takes an application of simple business sense, not black business sense. MOST people have no loyalty so playing the race card in business is just foolish. its very possible for black people to retake back the high streets and whole sale of their own hair care products, and open other businesses that EVERYONE patronises. thats how people can "give back" in my opinion.

the best tool for "power" is economic power, not a million marches, or having endless debates expecting people to treat you better in this selfish world. you have to make them see you by being on their level

[Goddaz]

Tbh it's not that imo Marvel, Caribbean folk just had a BIG head start to the rest of other black folks.

This generation of Africans aren't breeding these white tings like Leroy and Desmond did in the 70's and 80's though.

Lol true but you & I know why that is. They don't have what we have when it comes to deep rooted expectations (obviously there exceptions like those who do it for the red book, love etc.)

I just think the length of time they've been here has alot to do with it amongst a plethora of other reasons i.e language, choice, loss of self preservation, being a true product of their enviroment etc.

Time is everything especially in these types of scenarios. Over time we can all be broken eventually (that is if you weren't already broken in the first place).

[Goddaz]

Amos Wilson said it best, when we (black ppl) start thinking of ourselves as nations, we will make progress.

[TF S4DK]

allow the pedantics, of course the 90% figure is overblown. but it was always known that its higher amongst black men, mostly carribean men, its probably very high amongst africans but they get away with it cos of their higher numbers of population.

[Kompressor]

Where has that spirit from within the black communities that used pardners and Xmas club schemes to help each other put money away for special occasions go?

vanished due to individualism and the lack of the need for it most people feel they should each concentrate on THEMSELVES and not care (or watch) next man, someone in this said topic even advocated this in not so many words, people shift from being a group when its convenient and an individual when its convenient its like the funeral mentality. Ya see more relatives when someone dies in the fam than you do on the average day it is what it is and people are just selfish by nature.

Hear what your saying and agree, but as I was one of the people who made a comment like that.

When I said people should look to and be true to themselves it was in terms of what it means to be pro-black. Coz there is no universal definition of what ir means to be pro-black.

Having a sense if community is a completely different matter.

[MARVELL]

whats wrong with what i said TF?

[TF S4DK]

There use to be more caribbeans in this country than africans, stats show this, the caribbean population has decreased in numbers compared to the african one over the years but it still has increased from what it was, so to has the african population increased, as has the mixed which black caribbeans are the number 1 contributors too.

So how have you concluded that its probably very high among africans too?

Plus in neither african, caribbean, men or women is it the MAJORITY like lots of you have claimed. Something I have been saying fro the very beginning.

[Im Broke]

There use to be more caribbeans in this country than africans, stats show this, the caribbean population has decreased in numbers compared to the african one over the years but it still has increased from what it was, so to has the african population increased, as has the mixed which black caribbeans are the number 1 contributors too.

So how have you concluded that its probably very high among africans too?

Plus in neither african, caribbean, men or women is it the MAJORITY like lots of you have claimed. Something I have been saying fro the very beginning.

And i never said the majority of black men are with white women, i said the majority of top flight black footballers are, check the difference.

And 48% is pretty fucking close though ain't it.

[MARVELL]

<p>lol so 40% of men not footballers, but all carribean, and 37% of women are married to non black people is not high?? black british carribeans born in the UK are on track to be the first ethnic minority group to DISAPPEAR and thats not a problem? or what did you miss in those stats you posted?here is is summed up

British African-Caribbeans have an extremely high rate of mixed-race relationships, and could in effect become the first UK ethnic group to 'disappear'. Half of all British African-Caribbean men in a relationship have partners of a different ethnic background,as do one-third of all British African-Caribbean women. 2007 estimates for England alone roughly put the full African-Caribbean to partial African-Caribbean heritage ratio at 2:1.

[MARLO STANSFIELD]

Black Caribbeans most likely of Minority Ethnic Groups (BME) to be in inter-ethnic relationships

Black Caribbean men and women were the most likely of any group to be in an inter-ethnic relationship (48% of black Caribbean men and 34 % of black Caribbean women were in inter-ethnic relationships) (Source: Lucinda Platt: Ethnicity & Family Relationships within and between ethnic groups. Institute for Social and Economic Research, University of Essex).

Interesting. . .

Thats a mad statistic.

This shouldn't surprise any body when you consider what language many people in the Caribbean speak.

The majority of West Africans in this country i.e Ghanaians and Nigerians speak English as well.

yes we know that but you are missing the point what language do they speak in say Jamaica for example other than english? when there is a language barrier it will effect a group because in order for people outside of it to be involved more they need to learn the language in the Caribbean they already speak english so a quick link up is not hard at all and it stands to reason why the Caribbean would have indication of more men and women dating outside of the race, I am surprised you didn't point this out before anyone else.

Thats kl, its still a shocking statistic either way.

I think you need to pay close attention to what im gonna tell you.

whether you find it shocking is neither here nor there YOU (and I mean any black person) should actually learn to be on a mission to disprove it rather than flat out believe it because generalizations based on what you heard and live through vicariously cause damage, the kind of damage that makes a Caribbean believe crap said about Africans talking about they commit the most fraud etc, things like that is why a significant amount of Africans have a negative view towards Caribbeans and vice versa (luca toney being the most tangible example close to this forum)

You need to learn to stop believing these things its not healthy and its even worse when you regurgitate it and then make complaints (valid or otherwise) about a disconnect between black men and black women, with MISunderstandings like what you are spewing is it any surprise? without realizing it you are causing some of these problems. Baring in mind you are actually speaking among other black people who I imagine you want to take your points seriously you need to get the brain and type thing in check on points like that, for a while I actually thought you was a scorned female and I aint actually trying to dig at you cos you have dropped a few gems in other back and forths between us but THAT kind of thing you need to get in check, there is no excuse for someone of your intelligence that you can produce to justify this kind of ignorance.

[MARLO STANSFIELD]

Where has that spirit from within the black communities that used pardners and Xmas club schemes to help each other put money away for special occasions go?

vanished due to individualism and the lack of the need for it most people feel they should each concentrate on THEMSELVES and not care (or watch) next man, someone in this said topic even advocated this in not so many words, people shift from being a group when its convenient and an individual when its convenient its like the funeral mentality. Ya see more relatives when someone dies in the fam than you do on the average day it is what it is and people are just selfish by nature.

Hear what your saying and agree, but as I was one of the people who made a comment like that.

When I said people should look to and be true to themselves it was in terms of what it means to be pro-black. Coz there is no universal definition of what ir means to be pro-black.

Having a sense if community is a completely different matter.

I co sign all of the above and what I have highlighted is the MAIN problem, everyone has their own idea, there needs to be one definition but I guess conversations like this hopefully may lead there.

[Im Broke]

Black Caribbeans most likely of Minority Ethnic Groups (BME) to be in inter-ethnic relationships

Black Caribbean men and women were the most likely of any group to be in an inter-ethnic relationship (48% of black Caribbean men and 34 % of black Caribbean women were in inter-ethnic relationships) (Source: Lucinda Platt: Ethnicity & Family Relationships within and between ethnic groups. Institute for Social and Economic Research, University of Essex).

Interesting. . .

Thats a mad statistic.

This shouldn't surprise any body when you consider what language many people in the Caribbean speak.

The majority of West Africans in this country i.e Ghanaians and Nigerians speak English as well.

yes we know that but you are missing the point what language do they speak in say Jamaica for example other than english? when there is a language barrier it will effect a group because in order for people outside of it to be involved more they need to learn the language in the Caribbean they already speak english so a quick link up is not hard at all and it stands to reason why the Caribbean would have indication of more men and women dating outside of the race, I am surprised you didn't point this out before anyone else.

Thats kl, its still a shocking statistic either way.

I think you need to pay close attention to what im gonna tell you.

whether you find it shocking is neither here nor there YOU (and I mean any black person) should actually learn to be on a mission to disprove it rather than flat out believe it because generalizations based on what you heard and live through vicariously cause damage, the kind of damage that makes a Caribbean believe crap said about Africans talking about they commit the most fraud etc, things like that is why a significant amount of Africans have a negative view towards Caribbeans and vice versa (luca toney being the most tangible example close to this forum)

You need to learn to stop believing these things its not healthy and its even worse when you regurgitate it and then make complaints (valid or otherwise) about a disconnect between black men and black women, with MISunderstandings like what you are spewing is it any surprise? without realizing it you are causing some of these problems. Baring in mind you are actually speaking among other black people who I imagine you want to take your points seriously you need to get the brain and type thing in check on points like that, for a while I actually thought you was a scorned female and I aint actually trying to dig at you cos you have dropped a few gems in other back and forths between us but THAT kind of thing you need to get in check, there is no excuse for someone of your intelligence that you can produce to justify this kind of ignorance.

Sometimes i feel you just be writing shit for the sake of it *shrugs*

[Im Broke]

But i hear you though, you make some reasonable points.

[MARLO STANSFIELD]

to be honest "im broke" that kind of response illustrates why you think the way you do imo, continue as you were.

[Flojo]

Picked up on this thread on the train earlier, was almost in tears.

Was a good read.

[Kompressor]

Where has that spirit from within the black communities that used pardners and Xmas club schemes to help each other put money away for special occasions go?

vanished due to individualism and the lack of the need for it most people feel they should each concentrate on THEMSELVES and not care (or watch) next man, someone in this said topic even advocated this in not so many words, people shift from being a group when its convenient and an individual when its convenient its like the funeral mentality. Ya see more relatives when someone dies in the fam than you do on the average day it is what it is and people are just selfish by nature.

Hear what your saying and agree, but as I was one of the people who made a comment like that.

When I said people should look to and be true to themselves it was in terms of what it means to be pro-black. Coz there is no universal definition of what ir means to be pro-black.

Having a sense if community is a completely different matter.

I co sign all of the above and what I have highlighted is the MAIN problem, everyone has their own idea, there needs to be one definition but I guess conversations like this hopefully may lead there.

There will never be just one definition, as everyone holds different values.

Therefore people's perception of what it means to be pro-black will always vary.

[Afroman]

But i hear you though, you make some reasonable points.

cs.

Been reading it on my way to/from work since friday..

Entertaining stuff.

[Guest petercrotch]

Inter racial dating Is not high amongst africans atall . I'm half african and caribbean and i honestly say that, it has a lot to with culture aswell . although africans and caribbeans have a lot of similarities in our cultures in the long run our cultures are very different . Africans tend to be more about the reading books,education,staying indoors and are very strict (i take it you have heard stories of someone getting SENT BACK TO AFRICA ) , caribeans tend to be about that too but far, far more about partying , socialising etc

[Mr Q]

You evidently don't know any Nigerians.

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Community spirt has been lost in most capitalist societies as the individual is promoted over the collective. Cameron's whole big society is more about rhetoric than anything else, saying a whole lot of shit but ultimately undercutting the whole idea with his huge cuts.

As human beings we are lost/greedy/selfish. Black, white or whatever. Dating someone of your own race ain't going to change that bollocks.

[TF S4DK]

<p>lol so 40% of men not footballers, but all carribean, and 37% of women are married to non black people is not high?? black british carribeans born in the UK are on track to be the first ethnic minority group to DISAPPEAR and thats not a problem? or what did you miss in those stats you posted?here is is summed up

British African-Caribbeans have an extremely high rate of mixed-race relationships, and could in effect become the first UK ethnic group to 'disappear'. Half of all British African-Caribbean men in a relationship have partners of a different ethnic background,as do one-third of all British African-Caribbean women. 2007 estimates for England alone roughly put the full African-Caribbean to partial African-Caribbean heritage ratio at 2:1.

Its high but its not the majority meaning it WON'T disappear, it will still INCREASE... FFS

Ethnic group 2001 population 2001 percentage 2009 population 2009 percentage

White: British 42,747,136 86.99% 42,893,400 82.8%

White: Irish 624,115 1.27% 558,100 1.1%

White: Other 1,308,110 2.66% 1,861,800 3.6%

Asian or Asian British: Indian 1,028,546 2.09% 1,414,100 2.7%

Asian or Asian British: Pakistani 706,539 1.44% 990,700 1.9%

Asian or Asian British: Bangladeshi 275,394 0.56% 384,300 0.7%

Asian or Asian British: Other South Asian 237,810 0.48% 377,700 0.7%

Black or Black British: Caribbean 561,246 1.14% 609,400 1.2%

Black or Black British: African 475,938 0.97% 787,500 1.5%

Black or Black British: Other 95,324 0.19% 124,500 0.2%

Mixed 643,373 1.31% 956,700 1.9%

Chinese or Other: Chinese 220,681 0.45% 439,500 0.8%

Chinese or Other:Other 214,619 0.44% 412,100 0.8%

Total 49,138,831 100% 51,809,700 100%

[Guest petercrotch]

By itself would dating only someone from your own race change anything ? Of course not . But it's a start and it's very important . That 48 percent statistic is ridiculous but it doesn't suprise me . Black people want to get to the top and i guarantee at the top where it matters whites would rather spend money on whites than blacks . whites would rather hire whites than blacks .

[MARVELL]

<p>lol so 40% of men not footballers, but all carribean, and 37% of women are married to non black people is not high?? black british carribeans born in the UK are on track to be the first ethnic minority group to DISAPPEAR and thats not a problem? or what did you miss in those stats you posted?here is is summed up

British African-Caribbeans have an extremely high rate of mixed-race relationships, and could in effect become the first UK ethnic group to 'disappear'. Half of all British African-Caribbean men in a relationship have partners of a different ethnic background,as do one-third of all British African-Caribbean women. 2007 estimates for England alone roughly put the full African-Caribbean to partial African-Caribbean heritage ratio at 2:1.

Its high but its not the majority meaning it WON'T disappear, it will still INCREASE... FFS

Ethnic group 2001 population 2001 percentage 2009 population 2009 percentage

White: British 42,747,136 86.99% 42,893,400 82.8%

White: Irish 624,115 1.27% 558,100 1.1%

White: Other 1,308,110 2.66% 1,861,800 3.6%

Asian or Asian British: Indian 1,028,546 2.09% 1,414,100 2.7%

Asian or Asian British: Pakistani 706,539 1.44% 990,700 1.9%

Asian or Asian British: Bangladeshi 275,394 0.56% 384,300 0.7%

Asian or Asian British: Other South Asian 237,810 0.48% 377,700 0.7%

Black or Black British: Caribbean 561,246 1.14% 609,400 1.2%

Black or Black British: African 475,938 0.97% 787,500 1.5%

Black or Black British: Other 95,324 0.19% 124,500 0.2%

Mixed 643,373 1.31% 956,700 1.9%

Chinese or Other: Chinese 220,681 0.45% 439,500 0.8%

Chinese or Other:Other 214,619 0.44% 412,100 0.8%

Total 49,138,831 100% 51,809,700 100%

20 yrs ago im sure the mixed race stats wouldve been alot less, now its catching up to the total black carrib population

there are 600,000 odd black carribeans,

301,000 (2009 estimate) people stated their ethnicity as Mixed White and Black Caribbean

in another 20 yrs, black carribeans will be the smallest ethnic minority in the country, majorly caused not by emigration,

but by marrying and or breeding outside of their race/culture

what is difficult to understand from those stats.

[TF S4DK]

The only races that decreased was White British & Irish...

Some white people would say (well they wouldnt dare as they would be accused of racism) the stats show interracial relationships are effecting THEM more than us if the trend continues...