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Management is a middle aged/old man's job. How many middle aged black men are there in this country let alone connected with football? The black population in general is very young. It's not like America and the NFL where they've been POSTED for generations and have made up the majority of the players league since integration.

However considering the of black youts in English football this might be for the best. 

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Err, let me simplify it for you. A lot of the managers today are ex-footballers. It would be fair to say there’s a sizeable group of black/minority footballers, that have been playing in the English leagues for over twenty years. 

You don’t find it strange that at the end of 2015, 23 out of 552 elite coaching roles are held by BME people? That’s 4% despite BME players making up 25% of the leagues?

And yet Pullis, Pardew, Allardyce, Moyes etc seem to always get employed and recycled?

This is what you call institutional racism. If you’re going to make the fallacious reasoning of the “lack of middle aged black men” being the reason for the lack of black managers then let’s use  the argument of proportional representation. Explain the 4% of managers being BME despite there being a higher percentage of BME players?

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Something thay comes to mind here is Arnold (i can't remember his surname) Was in Kidulthood and those movies there)

 

He was talking about his time starring in Grange Hill which was filmed in Liverpool. He said he got on well with everyone and was well liked on set etc. 

After filming the crew and actors wouod go out and socialise doing whatever. It wasn't his scene so he'd pass on most occasions, fair enough. 

After a while he realised that the other guys were getting additional jobs and gigs, adverts, club appearnces etc. He didn't put it down to racism or anything like that it's just a case of moving in certain circles and befriending the right people. (His view)

 

I'd agree with him tbh

 The positive discrimination is a good step as it may motivate more to go down the coaching role as they at least now have a real opportunity at an interview at a substantial level. 

 

Ultimately the issues is in the board rooms and the demographics that make them up. 

 

Moyes and the other familiar candidates all get the bring ins because they are personally known by the people in power.

We saw the reaction when Nigel Adkins was sacked by Southampton and Pochettino brought in. 

Same when Ranieri replaced Pearson.

Its a boys club that is hard to get into, they back each other up and pick each pther when they fall.

 

Even in unsuccesful job applications these managers may now get the chance to make links and start moving in circles to get themsleves and theur work noticed by those who hand out jobs to the selcet few at the moment.

 

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2 hours ago, TheOneGameBaller said:

Err, let me simplify it for you. A lot of the managers today are ex-footballers. It would be fair to say there’s a sizeable group of black/minority footballers, that have been playing in the English leagues for over twenty years. 

You don’t find it strange that at the end of 2015, 23 out of 552 elite coaching roles are held by BME people? That’s 4% despite BME players making up 25% of the leagues?

And yet Pullis, Pardew, Allardyce, Moyes etc seem to always get employed and recycled?

This is what you call institutional racism. If you’re going to make the fallacious reasoning of the “lack of middle aged black men” being the reason for the lack of black managers then let’s use  the argument of proportional representation. Explain the 4% of managers being BME despite there being a higher percentage of BME players?

Again how big is the pool of Allardyce/Moyes aged BME men that are interested  in coaching? This is a young population. I won't be surprised if there are cases when there is no one to interview while this Rooney rule is being practiced. 

I also said that with the explosion of BME youts in football that this is a good idea. We'll see the true extent of racism in a few years when more and more BME players retire and pursue coaching. 

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9 hours ago, TheOneGameBaller said:

How would you tackle the issue of the lack of black/ethnic minority managers in professional football, If positive discrimination isn’t the answer?

 

Its all good saying that theres a lack of black managers which is probably the truth but when they get given a job then get sacked they need to stick at it. Chris ramsey,terry connor and sir coconut john barnes are prime examples.

John barnes is busy swanning off on a reality tv right now.

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John Barnes said after the Celtic job he was black listed from all of football

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Holgate been done for homophobia on twitter after claiming firmino racially abused him

shame dumb northerner

his boss just been done racially abusing lukaku too

the irony

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Three former youth-team footballers at Chelsea have launched legal claims against the club after allegations that black players were subjected to horrific racism by their coaches, including physical attacks and one instance when Graham Rix allegedly threw a cup of hot coffee in the face of one of the young prospects.

Rix, then the youth-team coach, is named along with Gwyn Williams, a prominent figure at Stamford Bridge for more than 25 years, in a case that contains such serious allegations Chelsea felt compelled to notify the Football Association and the police were brought in. The police decided after a seven-month investigation there was insufficient evidence to take any action but Chelsea have launched their own inquiry and the FA’s safeguarding team have so far interviewed two of the players. Chelsea have also offered in-house counselling to at least one of the players.

Rix and Williams declined to comment to the Guardian but later issued a statement through their solicitor denying the allegations. Chelsea have released a statement about a civil claim that was instigated in a letter to the club last February and, until now, has never been reported. “We take allegations of this nature extremely seriously,” Chelsea’s statement said. “We are absolutely determined to do the right thing, to fully support those affected, assist the authorities and support their investigations.”

Rix and Williams were key members of the backroom staff at a time when Glenn Hoddle, Ruud Gullit and Gianluca Vialli put in place a pre-Abramovich transformation to re-establish Chelsea as one of the more glamorous clubs in the country during the 1990s. Behind the scenes, however, evidence submitted to the FA and seen by the Guardian describes it as a “feral environment” for some of the black players in the youth team, one allegation being that they were treated “like a race of fucking dogs”.

In one incident, Chelsea played a youth-team fixture in Spain and Rix is said to have humiliated one of the black outfield players by substituting him with the reserve goalkeeper. As the player was showering afterwards, it is alleged Rix shouted “that if his heart was as big as his cock, he would be a great player that ran more”. According to the evidence seen by Chelsea and the FA, Rix followed it up by saying the player should have been “the only person in the whole stadium to be able to enjoy the 40-degree heat” on the basis that “blacks were always winning the long-distance Olympic events in the heat, if they weren’t chucking spears”.

Other allegations include that Rix or Williams called him a “darkie”, a “nignog”, a “black bastard”, a “wog”, “midnight”, “jigaboo” and various other insults. The player also alleges he was told by Williams to “fuck off back to Africa” and “sell drugs or rob old grannies”. Williams is not accused of any physical assaults but would allegedly punish the player by telling him to “go and clean my office, Richard Pryor – shine my shoes like a good wog” or “pick up your lip, it’s dragging on the floor”.

When the player left Chelsea for another team his new manager has said he wondered why a talented young footballer from one of England’s top clubs appeared to have been “stripped of his self-confidence”. That manager has submitted a written report that now forms part of the legal claim and says the player was “a good professional who always had a beaming smile but I always felt behind that smile was a person who clearly had his confidence knocked out of him at Chelsea. Whoever was responsible for that, I don’t know. He never gave me a problem. He was always on time and always gave his all.”

Now in his late-30s, the player is hoping others will come forward, describing himself as having “the weight of the world on my shoulders at 16” and saying the distressing effects have continued to affect him in his adult life. Every day, he says, he would walk to Chelsea’s training ground “thinking: ‘Oh my God, I can’t wait for this day to be over’ … I was so low. Even dragging this up now, it really affects me”.

Williams, 68, joined Chelsea in 1979 and was so close to Ken Bates he later followed him to Leeds United as technical director. His period at Chelsea also included a spell as assistant manager to Claudio Ranieri and he was involved in the scouting department for José Mourinho before leaving the club in 2006. Williams, who is credited with discovering John Terry, has been accused in the past of making homophobic comments to Graeme Le Saux, the former Chelsea defender. “He would wander up to me before training and say: ‘Come on, poof, get your boots on,’” Le Saux wrote in his 2007 autobiography. Williams was dismissed by Leeds for gross misconduct in 2013 after emailing pornographic images of women to a number of colleagues, including a female receptionist.

Rix, 60, also has a chequered past after admitting, in March 1999, two charges of unlawful sex with a 15-year-old girl and indecent assault and being sentenced to 12 months in prison – serving six of them – as well as being put on the sex offenders’ register for 10 years. He was reinstated by Chelsea immediately after his release from Wandsworth prison and was the first-team coach when Vialli’s team won the FA Cup in 2000. Rix had previously been the assistant manager to Gullit and had a brief spell as the caretaker manager after Vialli’s departure. After that, he managed Portsmouth, Oxford United and Hearts, as well as coaching at the Glenn Hoddle Academy in Spain and having a brief spell as manager of a club in Trinidad. His last managerial job in England was at AFC Portchester of the Wessex League Premier Division but he left the club last August.

Rix and his solicitor have not replied to a question from this newspaper about whether the FA temporarily suspended him after the allegations surfaced. The FA, asked the same question, has refused to comment and Paul Kelly, Portchester’s chairman, was due to speak to the Guardian before changing his mind after consulting the governing body. He had previously said the club was aware of the allegations and had followed all the procedures and guidelines set out by the FA.

The allegations from the player are also that Williams seemed to target him by “flicking my scrotum, flicking my penis, patting my bum” when he was still a minor. There is no suggestion Williams was getting sexual gratification but it was deemed serious enough to form part of the questioning when David Gregson, the FA’s safeguarding team leader, and Stefania Sacco, the safeguarding investigation manager, interviewed the player at Wembley on 23 October. Williams has been informed by the Guardian of the allegation.

The player says he tried to ring Graham Kelly, the chief executive of the FA, years later to talk to him about what had allegedly happened but says he was not even put through. “The FA have failed me in the way of not protecting me as a minor,” he says. “I was failed in terms of there not being enough parameters for protection.”

According to that player’s account, seen by the Guardian, the racist abuse at Chelsea started after joining the club on schoolboy terms. “Even at 12, 13, the vernacular he [Williams] was using was: ‘You little black bastard, you coon, you little wog, how are you doing?’ I was a minor, I’d never heard those words being said to someone [in football]. He addressed me like that every time he saw me. He’d walk in [the dressing room] and go: ‘Hey, look at the fucking blackies here then. Fucking rubber lips. Look at their fucking big noses. You black bastard. Been fucking robbing cars, have you?’ Let me tell you something – that is the most demoralising feeling you could ever have.”

In his interview with the FA’s safeguarding officials, the player adds: “I knew it was unacceptable but I was a minor. When you’re in that position, where this guy is a powerful guy at the club … I didn’t know how to handle it. I thought it would stop. I just didn’t know how to handle it and it was constant … the racial slurs of ‘coon’, ‘wog’, ‘monkey’ … ‘smoking wacky-backy’, which is marijuana, or ‘black bastard’, ‘fucking black bastard’, ‘mango-muncher’, ‘nigger’.

“Gwyn Williams has been at the club since 1979. He was powerful. He was Ken Bates’s mate. The guy [Williams] is a walking piece of dirt but he had power. It was said he had the biggest black book in London – he knew everyone. That guy was the governor. No matter what role he had, that man had power.”

When the player, then 15, was offered YTS terms Rix was the youth-team manager, with Williams in the role of youth development officer. Hoddle, who had been the manager, left Chelsea to take the England job and Gullit took over at Stamford Bridge. “The amount of times I wanted to say something to Ruud Gullit,” the player says in his FA interview. “But Ruud Gullit didn’t even know what was going on. They didn’t do these things in front of Ruud.”

The player goes on to state in the same interview that when he asked Rix to stop “digging me out” he was struck on the back of the head and, later in a training session, kicked twice while sitting on the floor. Rix, he says, was singing the Billy Ocean song When the Going Gets Tough as the alleged assault took place.

In another training game, Rix joined in and, according to the player, hurled the ball into his face from a throw-in, leaving him on the floor with a bleeding nose.

The same player is said to have decided to stand up to Rix when, according to the evidence, the coach asked him whether he had “tried to fuck any of our white girls” at the weekend. In the ensuing argument, Rix allegedly threw a cup of coffee in his face. “It burned my face,” the player says. “I went to grab him. I wanted to kill this guy. Then I had to think … black boy, six foot whatever, hits a white coach – he’s out of football. So I had to hold myself in and I went in to put water on my face because it was burning.”

In a follow-up legal letter to Chelsea, another alleged incident refers to the teenager asking Rix to stop making his sister feeling uncomfortable by making what were, in the player’s view, suggestive remarks. Rix allegedly went red with anger and replied: “I will do whatever I want and if I fancy a bit of black I guarantee her black arse will get it,” and then punched him in the scrotum. “Our client fell to the floor in excruciating pain and Rix walked off laughing while looking over his shoulder.”

Rix and Williams repeatedly told the Guardian through their solicitor, Eddie Johns, that they did not want to comment but Johns said in a statement after the story was published that his clients “deny all and any allegations of racial or other abuse”. He said Rix and Williams had cooperated with the police investigation and were cooperating with the FA. Johns added that the allegations had not been made directly to his clients but that they would deal with them if they were.

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10 hours ago, TheOneGameBaller said:

But seriously, this guy said “if only his heart was as big as his c*ck”? No one is more obsessed with black men’s d*cks than white men, since day dot. :/

This is why the Arabs where so eager to chop off my ancestors tings

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42674810
 

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A social media message containing "racist references" posted by Russian club Spartak Moscow "shows a shocking level of ignorance", says the chief of anti-discriminatory body Fare.

Spartak tweeted a video of some black players training in sunny conditions with a message translating as "see how the chocolates melt in the sun".

"Racism is one of the biggest issues Russia faces in the year they host the World Cup. References like this show how some minorities are seen by some in the country," said Piara Powar.

"For Russia's biggest club to tolerate and then celebrate racist references of this kind is wrong.

"They were sanctioned for Islamophobic chanting recently but clearly the message has not reached the players or the club management."

BBC Sport has requested a response from Spartak Moscow.

Anti-discriminatory body Kick It Out added: "This social media post from the official account of Spartak Moscow only continues to highlight the prejudices towards black people in Russia.

"With the World Cup only a few months away, it is a reminder that Russia - as with the whole of football - has significant work to do to eradicate racism of all forms from the game."

In September, Liverpool's Nigeria-born attacker Bobby Adekanye was subjected to racist chants and gestures from Spartak supporters in Moscow during a Uefa Youth League game.

European football's governing body Uefa charged Spartak, who had to partially close their academy stadium for their next Uefa Youth League fixture, leaving 500 seats empty.

Spartak defender Leonid Mironov has also been charged with racially abusing Liverpool striker Rhian Brewster.

The alleged incident took place during a Uefa Youth League game at Prenton Park, which Liverpool won 2-0 in December.

Uefa said the case will be dealt with by its Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body, with a date for the hearing yet to be confirmed.
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These players and their agents are dumb.

Surely you’d just delete your twitter and start over once you start getting into the XI.

Everyone is going to say dumb shit when they’re younger but knowing in this day and age that everything you say can and will be used against you, they’d detox their whole social media before they get into the spotlight.

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