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Arsene Wenger has demanded football introduces blood testing to ensure drug cheats do not corrupt the game.Australian authorities revealed on Thursday that drug use in sport was rife Down Under, while allegations about illegal doping have emerged in Spain during the Operation Puerto trial, in which doctor Eufemiano Fuentes, and four co-defendants, face charges.
It has been alleged during the trial that Real Sociedad players, with the assistance of Fuentes, took part in doping practices a decade ago.
Football players are only tested for banned substances through urine samples at present — but yesterday Wenger insisted it was time for the game’s hierarchy to force players to provide blood samples for drugs tests.
‘Would I support blood testing? Yes I would,’ admitted Wenger. ‘Honestly, I don’t think we do enough testing in football. It is very difficult for me to believe that you have 740 players in the World Cup and you come out with zero problems. Statistically, even for social drugs, it looks like we should go deeper.
‘When you have a doping control at Uefa, they do not take blood, they take only urine. I have asked many times in Geneva (for that to be changed). Sometimes you have to wait for two hours after the game (for urine), so blood could be a lot quicker.
‘Uefa are ready to do it, but it poses some ethical problems because everyone has to accept that they will check the blood and not everybody is ready to do that.’
Commenting on Fuentes’ trial, Wenger added: ‘What I’m concerned about in the trial of the Spanish doctor is that he is in front of justice just to see how he did doping. They are not interested at all in who he has doped.
They have found pockets of blood but they don’t even ask to whom does that belong. The justice should go deeper. When you look at the functions of this doctor it is quite scary. He was involved in the Olympic team, football team and cycling team.
‘When you look at psychological tests that have been done on people who are at the top in all sports, ask them if they would take a product that would guarantee them a gold medal or a world championship, but would mean that they died in the next five years, 50 per cent of people say yes, they would take it.
‘That is quite scary. That is absolutely massive, that is how far people are ready to go to win, in all sports, not just football. If you go to amateur level and do that test, only two per cent say they would take it. We are at the level where people are ready to do anything to win.’
Match-fixing in football has also hit the headlines this week after allegations surrounding Hungarian goalkeeper Vukasin Poleksic during Liverpool’s 1-0 Champions League win over the Debrecen in 2009.
Wenger added: ‘I’m surprised by the number of games that have been fixed
‘For me, it’s a real tsunami and a real shock. I can’t accept it and I always was a believer that there’s a lot of cheating going on in our game and that we are not strong enough with what happens, nor with the doping, nor with the corruption of the referees, nor with the match-fixing.
‘It’s time that we tackle this problem in a very serious way and that people who cheat are punished in a very severe way as well. Sport is full of legends who are, in fact, cheats.
‘We had a recent example again and we all have responsibility to fight against that.
‘You cannot accept that somebody who works the whole week, decides to spend his money to go to a game and you cheat him because all is decided before he gets to the stand. I cannot stand for that. We cannot accept that.
‘If you support or manage a club, you spend sleepless nights thinking “how can I win the next game”, but in the end you discover it’s useless because it’s all done, you feel it’s a waste of time.’
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The biggest doping scandal in sports history finally has finally found its way into a courtroom. Doctor Eufemiano Fuentes will stand trial - and may have to reveal whether he dealt solely with professional cyclists. It's not just the professional cycling world eying Madrid's Juzgado de lo Penal No 5 courthouse as of Monday. Seven years after the Spanish police's "Operacion Puerto" sting uncovered an elaborate doping network set up by gynecologist Eufemiano Fuentes, the doctor is going to court.Fuentes, who comes from a wealthy family on the island of Gran Canaria and has a background as a track and field athlete, rose to fame in the world of sports when he looked after the Spanish athletes competing at the summer Olympics in 1984. After doping allegations against his wife, a hurdles specialist, surfaced, he withdrew from the team and concentrated on professional cycling. In 2004, a doping confession from Spanish cyclist Jesus Manzano pointed the police in his direction.
In May 2006, the investigators announced they had uncovered a major doping ring, unveiling equipment for blood doping, hormones and steroids. They allege that Fuentes helped over 200 athletes break the rules in total, having found 200 blood samples all labeled with encryptions; some of which are yet to be decoded. So far, 58 professional cyclists have been identified in the 7,700 page document the investigators prepared for the trial.
Suspicion surrounding other sports
But the suspicion is that the Fuentes network went well beyond professional cycling. Fuentes himself gave an indication of that when he was interviewed shortly after his arrest in 2006. He told the Spanish radio channel "Cadena Ser", that he also had professional footballers among his clients.
"I was surprised that some names were made public and others not. Seemingly without logic. I want to say that cycling was not the only sport affected," Fuentes admitted in the interview.
And Pat McQuaid, president of the International Cycling Union (UCI) told German public broadcaster ARD that same year, that he knew of details of a meeting between the Spanish police and the country's sports minister at the time.
"I was told that only 50-60 of Fuentes' clients were cyclists," said McQuaid, who was himself implicated in the scandal and therefore keen to stress that not only athletes in his organization had been involved in doping. "Other sports were also mentioned, such as football, track and field, swimming and Tennis," he added.
French sports journalist Stephane Mandard took research further in an article in the "Le Monde" daily. He told ARD in 2008 that he had met with Fuentes, who showed him proof of doping among professional footballers from Spain's top league clubs.
"He [Fuentes] showed me medical records of players for Real Betis, Sevilla, Valencia, Real Madrid and Barcelona, with detailed doping plans for an entire season," Mandard said.
In 2011, however, "Le Monde" was ordered to pay15,000 Euros ($20,000) in damages to Barcelona and Real Madrid respectively for making these allegations.
What are the expectations for the trial?
As there is no law against doping in the Spanish penal code, proceedings were held up several times, trial dates adjourned. Fuentes and three others are now accused of posing a threat to public health. The prosecutors are concentrating on issues such as lack of hygiene in the course of blood transfusions.
While Guardia Civil officers expressed frustration with the lack of concrete evidence and the pace of proceedings, the members of a different police unit are more upbeat.
The Policia Nacional has a special doping unit, which is headed by Bernardo Gil. His team of 20 began an investigation based on the findings in the Fuentes doping scandal.
They claim to have launched 60 fresh investigations over the past eight years, one of the more recent successes came in March 2012 with "Operacion Skype." For the first time, a Spanish doctor was sentenced to six months in prison for his role in facilitating doping. The case of Alberto Beltran Nino had striking parallels to the Fuentes story - they even used the same hotel location to hand over banned substances to their clients.
Gil's team is keen to see the Fuentes case finally come to an end.
"But after all that work for so many years it would be really frustrating for all of us, if the accused were acquitted in the end and it all came to nothing," he admitted.
There is little chance of dramatic new revelations during the trial, or for tough sentences. Fuentes' lawyers are aiming for acquittal. Proceedings are set to end on March 21 - and whatever the verdict, there will most likely be an appeal.
This means that it is unrealistic to expect an end to the case before 2014.
should just make drugs leagues
Ronaldo @ PSV
yesterday had some dodgy results
porto , benfica and marseille games
Two matches I don't care what anyone says WERE fixed by refs and officials
South Korea vs Italy wc 2002 (Infanct the ref in that game
Got caught for match fixing 6 months later in South America)
Spain vs South Korea wc 2002
- 4 months later...
fener and besiktas banned by uefa for match fixing
Bad news for the Turkish league
looked to be on the rise again (slightly)
- 1 year later...
Since uefa introduced blood testing in 2013
Spain have been humiliated by Brazil in comfed cup final
Knocked out of the group stages of the world cup
Failed to qualify for the u21s
Some of there great players have had a sudden decline in ability not a gradual one (casillas, puyol, pique, villa, Torres etc...)
Have seen spanish prospects fall off the face of the earth (thiago, isco etc...)
And pacey and explosive Spanish home grown have lost it all seemingly overnight (messi, alba, pique etc...)
Will the 2010 generation be exposed to the public like lance armstrong
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Jordi alba was deffo on the juice
that goal against AC Milan in the 90th min
- 7 months later...
Jack livermore tested positive for coco
- 3 months later...
Jake Livermore: Hull City midfielder to escape drug banHull City midfielder Jake Livermore will not be banned after testing positive for cocaine.
The 25-year-old was suspended by the Football Association and his club in May after failing a drug test, pending the outcome of a disciplinary hearing.
Livermore, who faced a possible two-year ban, tested positive following the death of his newborn child.
Hull manager Steve Bruce last month told the BBC: "There's no question it was a mitigating factor."
buss case
Reh,
Used the death of his son as his excuse...
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Maybe it wasn't an excuse
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Maybe it wasn't an excuse
Reh,
Used the death of his son as his excuse...
Reh,
Used the death of his son as his excuse...
Maybe it wasn't an excuse
Yh maybe, just find it weird that anyone turns to coke in that situation.
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Cant really comment on what is weird in a situation like that unless you've experienced it.
must be fucked.
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Na Na bullshit
I'm not buying that excuse at all sorry
Good on him for bussin tho
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Was going to make this topic the other day for the NFL HGH testing
This after Novak Djokovic basically said tennis man are on all sorts of peds cos they dont get tested
Football is a whole next mess, i cant find anything to quote in here but im sure someone can drop something, because i know for a fact they are not signed u to no international doping agencies
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Reh, Used the death of his son as his excuse...
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Maybe it wasn't an excuse
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Why not / I think in order to make it a level playing field atheletes should be able to take ped's I want to see pros preforming at the highest level humanely possible care not if they on roids
Flojo
It's only a matter of time before it all kicks off in football and the world's golden boys are likely to be the subject of some serious scrutiny.
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