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lol @ this thread, man will ride for left and socialism till the hills come home ennit.

country absolutely gone to shit, people raiding zoo's and eating animals, bodies in the street, people calling for privatisation of industries again, inflation through the roof, doctors leaving the country.

smh

fucking shit show.

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I don't know a lot about Venezuela, I'm sure neither do you, but u clearly have some random gripe or beef with socialism. John Pilger, an extremely intelligent man much more knowledgeable than me or u, did a interview the other day saying much of the current madness is largely due to an ongoing attempted military coup. Of course the mainstreammedia which ppl like u devour will feed u the simplistic narrative of good vs evil, in this case socialism as an evil... n u clearly lap it up.

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1 hour ago, Heero Yuy said:

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But don't let facts get in the way of your feelings.

 

 

Come on bro, you can't just post a view from the polar opposite side of things and pretend that it highlights the complexities of Venezuela. That's completely dead.

Mismanagement is one thing, but outside interference and the repeated attempted overthrow of the government by external forces is another. You also realise that Chavez came to power in ''99, so there is almost an exact 50/50 split in terms of culpability that can be levelled at both Democrats and Republicans (Clinton ->>> Bush/Bush >>> Obama/Obama >>> Trump). You're acting as if they've had a 20 year run that has been completely smooth.

These analysts fail to acknowledge other factors - BLAME SOCIALISM. Don't blame economic hitmen, or the IMF, or the CIA, or internal agitprop agents. Omissive logic.

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The irony of saying polar opposite pov while this thread is basically a homage to a left wing dictator is a little bit laughable tbf. There's too many factors that are literally nothing to do with outside interference tho, although i agree with the yanks supporting coups. This is socialism gone terribly wrong. I'm not against socialism particularly, but in this radical form it's a cancer.

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6 hours ago, Heero Yuy said:

lol @ this thread, man will ride for left and socialism till the hills come home ennit.

country absolutely gone to shit, people raiding zoo's and eating animals, bodies in the street, people calling for privatisation of industries again, inflation through the roof, doctors leaving the country.

smh

fucking shit show.

why has it collapsed. Enlighten us

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48 minutes ago, Heero Yuy said:

The irony of saying polar opposite pov while this thread is basically a homage to a left wing dictator is a little bit laughable tbf. There's too many factors that are literally nothing to do with outside interference tho, although i agree with the yanks supporting coups. This is socialism gone terribly wrong. I'm not against socialism particularly, but in this radical form it's a cancer.

Nah this a massive reduction. Since moving out here to Madrid I have met Venezuelans and they have complained about conditions - but then again they are the young, socially mobile ones who had money and lost money (relatively speaking). I've heard about the black market money trading, bitcoin, all sorts. 

But that is a symptom of a problem - and the root of that problem is debatable. You cannot say that Chavez flopped when he didn't have a free or fair run. The man got cancered.  

Chavez faced a pretty stiff media resistance too,  not unlike what is happening to Corbyn but on a grander scale and I would say you are seriously underestimating the power of that outside interference. Your guy Shapiro loves to talk about how people like George Soros pull strings with activist groups, newspapers and institutions to get his liberal work done....But you don't want to acknowledge that the US intelligence services, under successive administrations, have done precisely that in Venezuela - for fairly obvious reasons.

I don't like social engineering, whether it's done by leftists or by the right - but your argument is myopic, it lacks the scope you need to understand the situation. I don't know about Venezuela like THAT but I know you are missing out huge portions for the sake of  cognitive resonance.

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On 14/08/2017 at 8:22 PM, Elementalism said:

Nah this a massive reduction. Since moving out here to Madrid I have met Venezuelans and they have complained about conditions - but then again they are the young, socially mobile ones who had money and lost money (relatively speaking). I've heard about the black market money trading, bitcoin, all sorts. 

But that is a symptom of a problem - and the root of that problem is debatable. You cannot say that Chavez flopped when he didn't have a free or fair run. The man got cancered.  

Chavez faced a pretty stiff media resistance too,  not unlike what is happening to Corbyn but on a grander scale and I would say you are seriously underestimating the power of that outside interference. Your guy Shapiro loves to talk about how people like George Soros pull strings with activist groups, newspapers and institutions to get his liberal work done....But you don't want to acknowledge that the US intelligence services, under successive administrations, have done precisely that in Venezuela - for fairly obvious reasons.

I don't like social engineering, whether it's done by leftists or by the right - but your argument is myopic, it lacks the scope you need to understand the situation. I don't know about Venezuela like THAT but I know you are missing out huge portions for the sake of  cognitive resonance.

 

Bro there are direct correlations between the governments actions and the current situation right now. These are things that you can quantify, cause and effect. Look at the stuff with farmers for example. Chavez took land back from the farmers, gave it to people who couldn't farm, those farms either produced nothing, or no good crops, people are now starving to death because there isn't enough food. 

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