Syria

[Da Luv Doc]

On 12/02/2018 at 5:57 PM, Taurus said:

@Admin.

Bro there were many times ISIS fighters were captured with Turkish soldiers smiling/chilling. They were partly funded by Turkey, most ISIS fighters got a pass through Turkey into Syria/Iraq, it has been widely reported. Plus there were many Turks within ISIS.

I wish I had the time to research right now but the evidence is out there. Erdogans a prick, remember the time Turkey had a "coup" he blamed Fetullah Gulen, who he was friends with back in the day and supported his movement, when he falls out with someone he labels them a traitor and the sheep public follow. All the media are pro Erdogan, what they publicise the public believe. 

He has jailed politicans, academics, journalists just because they criticise him. He has jailed HDP members, he wants to finish everyone off, whoever doesnt support him faces jail.

I agree with you he has won with support of some Kurdish populated cities but how does he win them over? He supplies them with coal, pasta, rice just to win votes.

He is turning Turkey into a mess, the sooner he is gone the sooner everyone can live peacefully Kurds, Turks, Cypriots etc.

 

Turkish airlines is sick though, gotta give him props.

[Taurus]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/23/world-leaders-brutal-attack-kurdish-afrin-turkish-army?CMP=share_btn_fb

 

Three years ago the world watched a ragtag band of men and women fighters in the Syrian town of Kobane, most armed only with Kalashnikovs, hold off a vast army of Islamist militants with tanks, artillery and overwhelming logistical superiority. The defenders insisted they were acting in the name of revolutionary feminist democracy. The Islamist fighters vowed to exterminate them for that very reason. When Kobane’s defenders won, it was widely hailed as the closest one can come, in the contemporary world, to a clear confrontation of good against evil.

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Today, exactly same thing is happening again. Except this time, world powers are firmly on the side of the aggressors. In a bizarre twist, those aggressors seem to have convinced key world leaders and public opinion-makers that Kobane’s citizens are “terrorists” because they embrace a radical version of ecology, democracy and women’s rights.

The region in question is Afrin, defended by the same YPG and YPJ (People’s Protection and Women’s Protection Units) who defended Kobane, and who afterwards were the only forces in Syria willing to take the battle to the heartland of Islamic State, losing thousands of combatants in the battle for its capital, Raqqa.

 Turkey’s attack on Syrian Kurds could overturn the entire region

Gareth Stansfield

 

 

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An isolated pocket of peace and sanity in the Syrian civil war, famous only for the beauty of its mountains and olive groves, Afrin’s population had almost doubled during the conflict as hundreds of thousands of mostly Arab refugees had come to shelter with its original, overwhelmingly Kurdish population.

At the same time its inhabitants had taken advantage of their peace and stability to develop the democratic principles embraced throughout the majority Kurdish regions of north Syria, known as Rojava. Local decisions were devolved to neighbourhood assemblies in which everyone could participate; other parts of Rojava insisted on strict gender parity, with every office having co-chairs, male and female, in Afrin, two-thirds of public offices are held by women.

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Today, this democratic experiment is the object of an entirely unprovoked attack by Islamist militias including Isis and al-Qaida veterans, and members of Turkish death squads such as the notorious Grey Wolves, backed by the Turkish army’s tanks, F16 fighters, and helicopter gunships. Like Isis before them, the new force seems determined to violate all standards of behaviour, launching napalm attacks on villagers, attacking dams – even, like Isis, blowing up irreplaceable archaeological monuments. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, the president of Turkey, has announced, “We aim to give Afrin back to its rightful owners”, in a thinly veiled warning to ethnically cleanse the region of its Kurdish inhabitants. And only today it emerged that a convoy heading to Afrin carrying food and medicine was shelled by Turkish forces.

Remarkably, the YPG and YPJ have so far held off the invaders. But they have done so without so much as the moral support of a single major world power. Even the US, the presence of whose forces prevents Turkey from invading those territories in the east, where the YPG and YPJ are still engaged in combat with Isis, has refused to lift a finger to defend Afrin. The British foreign secretary Boris Johnson has gone so far as to insist that “Turkey has the right to want to keep its borders secure” – by which logic he would have no objection if France were to seize control of Dover.

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The result is bizarre. Western leaders who regularly excoriate Middle Eastern regimes for their lack of democratic and women’s rights – even, as George W Bush famously did with the Taliban, using it as justification for military invasion – appear to have decided that going too far in the other direction is justifiable grounds for attack.

To understand how this happened, one must go back to the 1990s, when Turkey was engaged in a civil war with the military arm of the Kurdistan Workers’ party, or PKK, then a Marxist-Leninist organisation calling for a separate Kurdish state. Whether the PKK was ever a terrorist organisation, in the sense of bombing marketplaces and the like, is very much a matter of contention, but there is no doubt that the guerrilla war was a bloody business, and terrible things happened on both sides. About the turn of the millennium, the PKK abandoned the demand for a separate state. It called a unilateral ceasefire, pressing for peace talks to negotiate both regional autonomy for Kurds and a broader democratisation of Turkish society.

This transformation affected the Kurdish freedom movement across the Middle East. Those inspired by the movement’s imprisoned leader, Abdullah Öcalan, began calling for a radical decentralisation of power and opposition to ethnic nationalism of all sorts.

Turkey starts ground incursion into Kurdish-controlled Afrin in Syria

 

 

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The Turkish government responded with an intense lobbying campaign to have the PKK designated a “terrorist organisation” (which it had not been before). By 2001 it had succeeded, and the PKK was placed on the EU, US, and UN “terror list”.

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Never has such a decision so wreaked havoc with the prospect of peace. It allowed the Turkish government to arrest thousands of activists, journalists, elected Kurdish officials – even the leadership of the country’s second largest opposition party – all on claims of “terrorist” sympathies, and with barely a word of protest from Europe or America. Turkey now has more journalists in prison than any other country.

The designation has created a situation of Orwellian madness, allowing the Turkish government to pour millions into western PR firms to smear anyone who calls for greater civil rights as “terrorists”. Now, in the final absurdity, it has allowed world governments to sit idly by while Turkey launches an unprovoked assault on one of the few remaining peaceful corners of Syria – even though the only actual connection its people have to the PKK is an enthusiasm for the philosophy of its imprisoned leader Öcalan. It cannot be denied – as Turkish propagandists endlessly point out – that portraits of Öcalan, and his books, are common there. But ironically what that philosophy consists of is simply an embrace of direct democracy, ecology, and a radical version of women’s empowerment.

The religious extremists who surround the current Turkish government know perfectly well that Rojava doesn’t threaten them militarily. It threatens them by providing an alternative vision of what life in the region could be like. Above all, they feel it is critical to send the message to women across the Middle East that if they rise up for their rights, let alone rise up in arms, the likely result is that they will be maimed and killed, and none of the major powers will raise an objection. There is a word for such a strategy. It’s called “terrorism” – a calculated effort to cause terror. The question is, why is the rest of the world cooperating?

• David Graeber is professor of anthropology at the LSE and author of Debt: The First 5000 years; he was involved in the Global Justice Movement and Occupy Wall Street

[Da Luv Doc]

Deep

[Afroman]

 

Let the game begin...

[Da Luv Doc]

WW3 begins. Super debt to countries to make even less people the richest.

[cambridgebanteer]

 why are the Wokerati always stating Russia  as 'backing its interests' in the middle east but Nato and Saudi are 'colonisers'/'imperialists' when doing the exact same things ?

Leftist apologia for mass murderers has a pedigree that predates Syria and Iraq; they also justified the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which was a sordid adventure resulting in russian defeat (which is also what will happen to them in syria). Also look up Pol Pot.

Russia announces yesterday that no chemical attack occurred and such accusations was 'fake news'. Today they literally put out a statement saying oh no, US shouldn't strike with missiles because it will destroy evidence of chemical attack. 

 

 

[Elementalism]

I'm on the left but I back Assad and Russia. Hezbollah get my ratings also. 

[cambridgebanteer]

 

3 hours ago, Admin. said:

leftists in this war back usa/kurds/the new crown prince of saudi

right wing are pro russia/anti war/against regime change and military action

so you are wrong in that for a start

 

 

What leftists are backing Saudi? Every corbyn cultist on Twitter worth their salt is regurgitating the assad/Russia narrative. Nick griffin said yesterday he's going to vote for corbyn. So we have both  of the bat shit sides of the politics spectrum backing animal assad. 

And as for hezbollah  they have stolen billions of my people's money, but all they will get is piss after  we bring back the Shah in 2018, as will animal Assad. 

[cambridgebanteer]

There can't be any 'normal' in Syria with Assad, it will be a perpetual insurgency. He has arrest warrants out for  3 million people. Best outcome for that country is to partition and have UN buffer zone like Korea. Too many people are out for  revenge, there's no returning to a prewar situation  

[Afroman]

 

 

I dont wanna see no negative headlines about syrian seeking refuge over here

[Da Luv Doc]

Strikes started last night!

[Heero Yuy]

Mad how we have to throw ourselves into this because we need that free trade deal with america.

[Drift]

Disgraceful

[The King]

Sad shit

[Seydou]

Possible Russia not backing Assad anymore?

 

[Afroman]

Trumps fan boy as snapped

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[QPR Dee]

19 minutes ago, Afroman said:

Trumps fan boy as snapped

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LMAO how does he still manage to blame liberals?

[QPR Dee]

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I thought the commons needed a vote before the military attacks? isnt that what happened last time?

should be a couple decent protests in the coming weeks still

[Grafter]

They thought they was gna get a vote

Literally only yesterday or day before vince cable was discussing how they night vote

[cambridgebanteer]

Air strikes were sheg, trump didn't go in his bag whatsoever

Where's Mike 'Christian ISIS' Pence when you need him. Time soon come though