Police Shoot Dead 12-Year-Old Holding Fake Gun

[Supermalt]

Excuses here for the officers arent strong enough

[Pro]

we don't know the circumstances yet but facts is US cops are trigger happy

[Kuffir]

boydem pitched this innocent lad they should burn /input

[Fighting Weight]

 

 

Leave it out. European armed police fire nuff shots that don't kill, and the amount of non lethal options available to the police shouldn't mean that kill shots are the only option. Stay in America with your f*cked up opinions.

 

 

 

Very very very rarely will an engagement where a suspect has been perceived to actually pull a firearm, or be in the process of pulling one, end with any sort of intentional disabling of said suspect, you are welcome to try and find some examples.

 

 

What does this have to do with my post? Smaddy asked a very specific question, 'Why did he shoot to kill'

 

Me explaining why an officer shot to kill does not = I agree with children being killed

 

Me explaining why an officer shot to kill does not = I made any comment about anything other than explaining why an officer shot to kill

 

For the record - nothing I posted in response to Smaddy was an opinion

[Fighting Weight]

we don't know the circumstances yet but facts is US cops are trigger happy

 

Clearly

[Greens]

Didn't our officers manage to neutralise both the guys who killed Lee Rigby.

So why are we acting like we're asking them to learn sniper wolf technique ? If anything officers should be at least trained to do both, as i'm sure not every situation require shots loaded into someones head and chest Everytime.

Firearm officers here are specialists, I'm sure their training is a lot more detailed than a standard american beat cop.

[Yuri]

No change of tone at all

Quote what I said in the other topic

You just gotta be able to use your brain and think objectively

If a police officer is pointing a gun at me and giving me a direct order whether I'm 12 or 22 try know I am going from 100 to 0 real quick

This.

/why are d*ckheads who've never fired a firearm talking about shooting in a non lethal manner. Are you aware of the difficulty of hitting a small moving target, such as a person's leg, with a handgun from anything more than 10 meters? These guys are cops not special forces. If they feel they have to shoot they're aiming at center mass

[Heero Yuy]

Oh heavens forbid they introduced difficult training about how to neutralise a threat in a non lethal manner.

How would they ever manage

[JOHN DOE]

Heero coming off a bit naive here

[Heero Yuy]

Heero coming off a bit naive here

I don't think it's naive to suggest that police should be able to neutralise a threat in the manner they deem suitable. But if they're only trained to kill then you're always gonna have incidents like this.

[VENOM]

 

 

Coming just two days after a New York City police officer accidentally shot a 28-year-old Black man in the darkened stairwell of a Brooklyn housing project 

[SLEAZE BALL]

For the record and I quote

i really cudnt give a sh*t about niggas dying in america to be totally honest

f*ck em regardless

What tone has changed?

[Zizouz]

 

 

Heero coming off a bit naive here

I don't think it's naive to suggest that police should be able to neutralise a threat in the manner they deem suitable. But if they're only trained to kill then you're always gonna have incidents like this.

 

 

 

Is it a viable option to give each and every police office in the US specialised weapons training?

 

[Yuri]

Heero coming off a bit naive here

I don't think it's naive to suggest that police should be able to neutralise a threat in the manner they deem suitable. But if they're only trained to kill then you're always gonna have incidents like this.

Bro fly out to see me and I'll take you to the range and teach you to shoot a Glock 17

Believe me you won't be asking these questions afterwards

We'll get a couple beers afterwards too I like you bro

[Yuri]

Heero coming off a bit naive here

I don't think it's naive to suggest that police should be able to neutralise a threat in the manner they deem suitable. But if they're only trained to kill then you're always gonna have incidents like this.

Is it a viable option to give each and every police office in the US specialised weapons training?

Bingo

[ag.]

 

 

 

Heero coming off a bit naive here

I don't think it's naive to suggest that police should be able to neutralise a threat in the manner they deem suitable. But if they're only trained to kill then you're always gonna have incidents like this.

 

 

 

Is it a viable option to give each and every police office in the US specialised weapons training?

 

 

of course it is. the us defence budget is a joke 

duno the exact figure but with what they spend on wars n defence

nationwide extensive weapons training would be a drop in the ocean

if they dont already have it 

[Zizouz]

 

 

 

 

 

Heero coming off a bit naive here

I don't think it's naive to suggest that police should be able to neutralise a threat in the manner they deem suitable. But if they're only trained to kill then you're always gonna have incidents like this.

 

 

 

Is it a viable option to give each and every police office in the US specialised weapons training?

 

 

of course it is. the us defence budget is a joke 

duno the exact figure but with what they spend on wars n defence

nationwide extensive weapons training would be a drop in the ocean

if they dont already have it 

 

 

Aren't police departments funded through their state rather than being federal? Wouldn't that mean any money diverted away from wars/defence would have to somehow be fairly divided among precincts? Who gets how much? How does that get decided? Underfunded precincts would have a shortage of trained officers nah? If you suggest they implement a more local tax than good luck. I don't think there's a more tax averse nation on this planet.

 

But let's imagine that you've now solved the monetary stumbling block.

 

Does each and every town/city in the US have the talent pool available to be able to train and develop highly skilled sharp shooters? I mean for those that try to become SWAT officers out of choice, I doubt everyone passes. If there's a shortage than you'd have unarmed police and armed criminals. And all of this is ignoring the obvious fact that normal citizens and criminals alike have weapons and it's their right to. Are they meant to get this training as well to even it out? If not it's harder as a police officer to have a gun then it would be as a citizen.

 

But let's say you now have this large talent pool of well trained shooters at your disposal. Do you think these people now being highly skilled would accept the current salary on offer?

 

Does this now get funded through Federal taxes too?

 

How would you make things work in the real world?

[ag.]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heero coming off a bit naive here

I don't think it's naive to suggest that police should be able to neutralise a threat in the manner they deem suitable. But if they're only trained to kill then you're always gonna have incidents like this.

 

 

 

Is it a viable option to give each and every police office in the US specialised weapons training?

 

 

of course it is. the us defence budget is a joke 

duno the exact figure but with what they spend on wars n defence

nationwide extensive weapons training would be a drop in the ocean

if they dont already have it 

 

 

Aren't police departments funded through their state rather than being federal? Wouldn't that mean any money diverted away from wars/defence would have to somehow be fairly divided among precincts? Who gets how much? How does that get decided? Underfunded precincts would have a shortage of trained officers nah? If you suggest they implement a more local tax than good luck. I don't think there's a more tax averse nation on this planet.

 

But let's imagine that you've now solved the monetary stumbling block.

 

Does each and every town/city in the US have the talent pool available to be able to train and develop highly skilled sharp shooters? I mean for those that try to become SWAT officers out of choice, I doubt everyone passes. If there's a shortage than you'd have unarmed police and armed criminals. And all of this is ignoring the obvious fact that normal citizens and criminals alike have weapons and it's their right to. Are they meant to get this training as well to even it out? If not it's harder as a police officer to have a gun then it would be as a citizen.

 

But let's say you now have this large talent pool of well trained shooters at your disposal. Do you think these people now being highly skilled would accept the current salary on offer?

 

Does this now get funded through Federal taxes too?

 

How would you make things work in the real world?

 

i never said i had the solution to america's gun problem

and also saying that these officers need more training to what theyre getting now doesnt mean im saying they should all magically become wild west sharpshooters ffs

 

the fact we keep see this shit pop up means there must be some deficiency in how theyre training these officers for these situations

[Sole]

This happened to me when I was a kid. We were having a little BB gun war and some neighbour called armed response

Was about 13/14 running around my garden shooting at my brother and our mates, then the next minute there's some white dude in my garden telling me to put the gun down.

Didn't take him seriously at all, the gravity of it just didn't hit me at first. He was basically some negotiator who had been sent in to scope out the situation, but there was a bundle of pigs with MP5s waiting outside, and feds came through the front to speak to my parents. That's how the situation could have been dealt with. The fed who came first wasn't armed or in uniform, he just had a loud voice. Whole ting was wrapped in 5 minutes, no warning, basic safety lesson from the police - they didn't even really check the guns.

My first BB gun was a Colt 1911 just like yout had, no orange safety bits. sh*t, I had AK47s, M4s, full metal PPKs, Brococks, nuff mad straps and no safety indicators. We used to run wild with them, but those were the pre-9/11 days of innocence.

sh*t changed.

that's not the same thing ator

at no point did you have a gun pointed at you.

Also why did u feel the need to mention the guys race?

[Zizouz]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heero coming off a bit naive here

I don't think it's naive to suggest that police should be able to neutralise a threat in the manner they deem suitable. But if they're only trained to kill then you're always gonna have incidents like this.

 

 

 

Is it a viable option to give each and every police office in the US specialised weapons training?

 

 

of course it is. the us defence budget is a joke 

duno the exact figure but with what they spend on wars n defence

nationwide extensive weapons training would be a drop in the ocean

if they dont already have it 

 

 

Aren't police departments funded through their state rather than being federal? Wouldn't that mean any money diverted away from wars/defence would have to somehow be fairly divided among precincts? Who gets how much? How does that get decided? Underfunded precincts would have a shortage of trained officers nah? If you suggest they implement a more local tax than good luck. I don't think there's a more tax averse nation on this planet.

 

But let's imagine that you've now solved the monetary stumbling block.

 

Does each and every town/city in the US have the talent pool available to be able to train and develop highly skilled sharp shooters? I mean for those that try to become SWAT officers out of choice, I doubt everyone passes. If there's a shortage than you'd have unarmed police and armed criminals. And all of this is ignoring the obvious fact that normal citizens and criminals alike have weapons and it's their right to. Are they meant to get this training as well to even it out? If not it's harder as a police officer to have a gun then it would be as a citizen.

 

But let's say you now have this large talent pool of well trained shooters at your disposal. Do you think these people now being highly skilled would accept the current salary on offer?

 

Does this now get funded through Federal taxes too?

 

How would you make things work in the real world?

 

i never said i had the solution to america's gun problem

and also saying that these officers need more training to what theyre getting now doesnt mean im saying they should all magically become wild west sharpshooters ffs

 

the fact we keep see this sh*t pop up means there must be some deficiency in how theyre training these officers for these situations

 

 

 

 

Am I misunderstanding something here?

[Heero Yuy]

 

 

Heero coming off a bit naive here

I don't think it's naive to suggest that police should be able to neutralise a threat in the manner they deem suitable. But if they're only trained to kill then you're always gonna have incidents like this.

Bro fly out to see me and I'll take you to the range and teach you to shoot a Glock 17

Believe me you won't be asking these questions afterwards

We'll get a couple beers afterwards too I like you bro

 

 

 

Like I keep repeating there is no other option for the officer to take once he decides he has to shoot. The suspect could be a metre away or he could be 10 metres away, yet the outcome will more than likely be the same. Situations and scenario’s don’t count for anything it’s just a standard rule which seems like the best fit for most situations. Surely even you can admit, if you have more options you can make more choices, giving someone a 50% chance that they may make it out alive.

 

Again it's just the option of a choice. So the officers still could make the same decision, but at least you'd think , well they must have assessed all their options and that was the only one he could make.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll come for the beer   

[ag.]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heero coming off a bit naive here

I don't think it's naive to suggest that police should be able to neutralise a threat in the manner they deem suitable. But if they're only trained to kill then you're always gonna have incidents like this.

 

 

 

Is it a viable option to give each and every police office in the US specialised weapons training?

 

 

of course it is. the us defence budget is a joke 

duno the exact figure but with what they spend on wars n defence

nationwide extensive weapons training would be a drop in the ocean

if they dont already have it 

 

 

Aren't police departments funded through their state rather than being federal? Wouldn't that mean any money diverted away from wars/defence would have to somehow be fairly divided among precincts? Who gets how much? How does that get decided? Underfunded precincts would have a shortage of trained officers nah? If you suggest they implement a more local tax than good luck. I don't think there's a more tax averse nation on this planet.

 

But let's imagine that you've now solved the monetary stumbling block.

 

Does each and every town/city in the US have the talent pool available to be able to train and develop highly skilled sharp shooters? I mean for those that try to become SWAT officers out of choice, I doubt everyone passes. If there's a shortage than you'd have unarmed police and armed criminals. And all of this is ignoring the obvious fact that normal citizens and criminals alike have weapons and it's their right to. Are they meant to get this training as well to even it out? If not it's harder as a police officer to have a gun then it would be as a citizen.

 

But let's say you now have this large talent pool of well trained shooters at your disposal. Do you think these people now being highly skilled would accept the current salary on offer?

 

Does this now get funded through Federal taxes too?

 

How would you make things work in the real world?

 

i never said i had the solution to america's gun problem

and also saying that these officers need more training to what theyre getting now doesnt mean im saying they should all magically become wild west sharpshooters ffs

 

the fact we keep see this sh*t pop up means there must be some deficiency in how theyre training these officers for these situations

 

 

 

 

Am I misunderstanding something here?

 

?

[Vertigo]

Remember this from a few weeks ago? Now in this case the state trooper got fired and arrested,and that was probably more to do with the stone cold evidence from his dash cam.

 

The straight fact is a lot of these people should not be in face to face law enforcement. Think of the weediest and nervous guy you know,now give him a badge and a gun and tell him to police the local populace who scare him. Recipe for disaster. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtx1tYc7PxI

[Niall Ferguson]

Haven't read any post in here, but from the facts I did read the kid deserved to be taken down. Not saying he deserved to die though.