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Question Time - BBC1 10.35pm - Russell Brand vs Nigel Farage


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Its banter IMO. I rate people of all races that do it. If you wanna bang benefits and work cash in hand on the side then fair play to you. If I had minimal opportunities I'd do the same.

Like say all the upper classes ain't on the take. Albeit in different ways.

Dave gone dave. Bogdan gone Bog. GABOS.

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i didnt say more white english people are on benefits or use the nhs, thats ridiculously obvious, i said more white english people RINSE the benefits system and nhs, and when i say rinse i mean borderline abuse it if not outright abusing it.

 

Oh and i forgot to mention, my gp was an immigrant.

 

Even if they are it's the least of this countries worries

 

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Gambino, pete, and tel, are on the scaffolding yard. They make a request in unison.

"Oi guv.. Can we just fuck off for half an hr to sign on down the job centre?"

*chuckles* "Yh no problem boys"

They sign on, then splash a quick score in the bookies next door. Its a good day and they all treble their money on the 13.15 at Chepstow

It's now 6.30 on tuesday, they're coked off their nut and they've all ready been in the pub for 3hrs as the guv shut up shop early cos he was hanging. At this point a sky news bulletin about 'MASS IMIGRATION' pops up in their wetherspoons, so the convo takes a massive shift to the right and they stop talking bout England's world class performance in 66.

"Fucking immigrants bleeding this country dry. Its gone to the shit now, it will never be the same. All these cunts do is take n take. Never give nuffin bak. Its why our economy is fucked."

Of course it is lads. Of course it is.

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i didnt say more white english people are on benefits or use the nhs, thats ridiculously obvious, i said more white english people RINSE the benefits system and nhs, and when i say rinse i mean borderline abuse it if not outright abusing it.

 

Oh and i forgot to mention, my gp was an immigrant.

 

if this was true, this still isn't an argument for a continued open immigration policy

 

despite the fact this is a small n purposely focused upon irrelevant issue in the immigration debate, i might aswell prove u wrong with a quick google

 

we'll take everyone's favourite JSA

 

source here: http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/dissemination/instanceSelection.do?JSAllowed=true&Function=&%24ph=61&CurrentPageId=61&step=2&datasetFamilyId=1707&instanceSelection=029738&Next.x=36&Next.y=17

 

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uk's ethnic breakdown

 

source here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_England#Ethnicity

 

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white - 77% of JSA compared with 85% of pop

 

black - 7% of JSA compared with 3.5% of pop

 

asian - 6% of JSA compared with 8% of pop

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Gambino dont talk shit the reason why you have to wait two weeks is because when people book 2 days they get better and miss the appointment wasting a shit load of money and resources people not turning up. If people have a long term illness they are likely to make the 2 week appointment and not just trying to get a sick note etc.

If you are truly ill you turn up at the surgery before it opens and make an emergency appointment. You will be seen the same day. Check your local health care providers procedures and policys.

Can't believe guy has the cheek to blame it on immigration

People in the uk and their entitlement mentality has to die

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i didnt say more white english people are on benefits or use the nhs, thats ridiculously obvious, i said more white english people RINSE the benefits system and nhs, and when i say rinse i mean borderline abuse it if not outright abusing it.

 

Oh and i forgot to mention, my gp was an immigrant.

 

 

 

white - 77% of JSA compared with 85% of pop

 

black - 7% of JSA compared with 3.5% of pop

 

asian - 6% of JSA compared with 8% of pop

 

 

 

but this discussion isnt about race per se, but rather the white english, who we perceive to be the natives, vs immigrants, which includes ur white brethren from mainland europe who apparently come here to eat off the state.

 

Id rather see figures of 'cost to the state', inclusive of all benefits, health care and schools. Then have the split into percentages of population/cost in these categories:

 

White english

White born abroad

 

Ethnic brit

Ethnic born abroad

 

Although im sure its near enough impossible to get all those figures, im sure it would prove both immigrants of all races and ethnics from wherever are little burden on the state.

 

As said, a far bigger issue is corporate taxes and foreign policies/wars if we're really worried about where our money goes.

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uve got white british there at 80% of population so assuming 0% of foreign white bruddas claimed, white british are still under represented

 

but still, im pro-eu n half pro swarming of the uk (england really, i wouldn't mind wales n scotland keeping their heritage) and a more horrible globalised world in general

 

cant beat em, join em

 

more numpties to make me p

 

the debate tho should be angled at keepin our cultural heritage safe like i believe our european gees go for, keepin scum out wouldnt go a miss either

 

doesn't help we're generally a commercialised post industrial cultural wasteland

 

nige's point about the impracticalities of planning for the unknown was worth raising as well

 

either way, to argue against proper planned immigration is to admit ignorance, a lack of concern for the country, fear of the dreaded racism or probably a nice mix of the lot

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Gambino dont talk sh*t the reason why you have to wait two weeks is because when people book 2 days they get better and miss the appointment wasting a sh*t load of money and resources people not turning up. If people have a long term illness they are likely to make the 2 week appointment and not just trying to get a sick note etc.

If you are truly ill you turn up at the surgery before it opens and make an emergency appointment. You will be seen the same day. Check your local health care providers procedures and policys.

Can't believe guy has the cheek to blame it on immigration

People in the uk and their entitlement mentality has to die

 

Don't assume that you know about my local GP's. And don't come with some fucking dumb counter argument that all of a sudden the general public have started not showing up for their appointments. I'm not talking about no emergency deathbed I need to see a doctor right away business. I'm talking about the general change in how they run the surgery and the waiting times. It used to be a walk in tip at 9am, sit and wait your turn. They scrapped that because they couldn't cope with the numbers and made it an appointment only issue, and that then jumped from the 48 hours to 2 weeks because they are dealing with far more people. Simple as that. Farage dropped the real talk, the population has been massively increased via immigration and zero plans could be put into place when you don't conrol the numbers.

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marcus is right 

 

he works for nhs

 

majority of gp clinics are run the same way

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If you are generally unwell, but  not in need of urgent medical attention you will go to see your GP. But what tends to happen now is you go to the surgery as it is about to open and you can book an appointment on that day usually that morning if its an emergency. But you said yours is not an emergency so why would a gp need to see you at nine in the morning with your little niggle? while he has a toddler crying its eyes out with bronchitis that is not productive

 

People like to do shit like have a cough book an appointment the shit clears they miss the appointment.  

While you have a GP sitting there eating biscuits getting paid anything up to £1,800.00 a hour not doing shit.

So if you was to call with a cough and they tell you two weeks you will say no I cant wait that long they will say come down to the clinic as emergency or go hospital. Everything is about productivity 

 

So for instance if you have some sort of niggle like a pain in the hip you are likely to make that appointment that is why they will tell you to come in two weeks this shit is analysed and analysed over and over again. 

 

 

 

Truth of the matter allot of this information is weighed up put into statistics turn't into policy's everything is about productivity and efficiency don't even know why immigration is even being discussed with this.  

 

You would of been more on the right path if you spoke about NHS tourist

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What are you saying ? Are you expecting me to buy the reason waiting times have rocketed is because all of a sudden in the past decade British people have decided they won't attend their appointments any more.......

 

And Somalian. I'm not even debating what people go to the Doctors for, whether it's an emergency or not. The consensus is that longer waiting times is a negative thing not a positive. And IMO it's down to a boom in the population.

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perhaps what you can take from those points is that as the population count rises the hospital + doctor count doesn't equally rise, which means that a system that has always been inefficient starts to show

 

Doesn't this reinforce the point I share with Farage though? A booming population that the country isn't equipped to deal with, nor could it ever plan ahead to deal with when the numbers are not controlled.

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Believe what you want everything is productivity efficiency and money.

 

Let me break this down even further for you, the nhs is a business at the end of the day

 

For you to go the doctor its not free. It has to be paid for (this is what I actually do for a living).

When a person misses an appointment the local nhs provider still needs to pay the doctor 

 

For someone to come in for a general check up which I think is what you want to be seen for ?

that still has to be paid for. Your primary diagnosis will be some bullshit that pays out hardly anything so this is why the doctor will ask you if you are a smoker etc for you being a smoker the clinic will get an extra £100 for seeing you if you had a co mobility like Asthma that pays out £500. This is one of the reasons they ask you these questions to get more money out of the visit.

 

These appointments generally do not pay out allot of money. So for the sake of productivity you are not made a priority and of course seeing those more poorly is common sense

 

Now you have people who are really sick and GP can give a definite diagnosis  Guess What that pays out much more so it makes sense to make them people priority because they bring the money in. They are the referrals to the hospital what brings money into this. 

 

 

But you said you would put longer waiting times because of immigration? Not the unhealthy diet of the nation? The boom in alcohol consumption binge drinking so on and so forth? 

I think those two things in particular have more of an effect on waiting times.

You now have more people being diagnosed diabetes, hypertension, high cholesterol, cancers all this effects clinics

but you would rather ignore all of that and say yeah immigration is the cause. 

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I don't really know where you are going with the whole explanation of cost etc.... I have an opinion that sits well with me that the reason the waiting times have increases at my surgery was down to the amount of people they are having to deal with now. Your argument back to me was that nope, it is down to people deciding not to attend their appointments any more which I found ridiculous.

 

So you fully believe that a booming population has zero to do with it?

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