Farage: 'Let's make the EU work for us'

[Zizouz]

 

 

Revealed: thousands of Britons on benefits across EU

• At least 30,000 Britons on unemployment benefit in EU, Guardian research shows 

• Unemployed Britons in richer EU states outnumber jobless from those countries in UK 

• Helen Pidd searches for the only Briton in Poland claiming benefits

 

 

 

 

 

There are not only far more Britons drawing benefits in these countries than vice versa, but frequently the benefits elsewhere in Europe are much more generous than in the UK. A Briton in France receives more than three times as much as a jobless French person in the UK.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp-thousands-britons-claim-benefits-eu

 

This is hillarious

 

After all that talk about benefits tourism. All that moaning. The fact that we're claiming more overseas they are here. I want to hear the UKIP man say something about this. Please! Cause he's the same man that said

 

 

 

UKIP leader Nigel Farage has called for immigrants to be barred from receiving any benefits until they have been resident in the UK for five years.

 

Cause with Farage's party claiming millions from their (minimal) EU ministerial duties and Britons claiming more than we're giving...

 

The EU >>>>>

[Mame Biram Diouf]

 

 

You couldnt make it up

 

Interested to hear the Vip2 UK ambassadors opinions on this

[Yuri]

11,000 of them are in Ireland though.

[Mizchif]

That's funny.

I wonder what the difference in the value of the JSA's is though, not that you get a super amount of money here but it would be interesting to see the comparison.

[Zizouz]

11,000 of them are in Ireland though.

 

So when they say they want EU nationals to have been here 5 years before they can claim... the Irish weren't included?

[dom dom bullets]

JSA in Ireland is 188 euros pw for for 26+

[Yuri]

11,000 of them are in Ireland though.

So when they say they want EU nationals to have been here 5 years before they can claim... the Irish weren't included?

A lot of Irish people hold British passports.

Anybody born in Northern Ireland can hold a British passport and then claim benefits in te republic of Ireland. Technically they are British nationals even though that's not what anybody is talking about when we talk about british nationals abroad. There are also dual nationality Irish people who migrate back and forth. I don't know how likely these scenario is, I just generally prefer not to take statistics at face value and that Ireland one looks offkey

As far as I know there are also separate agreements for Irish people migrating/working in the uk. That might have changed thiigh

[Zizouz]

 

 

11,000 of them are in Ireland though.

So when they say they want EU nationals to have been here 5 years before they can claim... the Irish weren't included?

A lot of Irish people hold British passports.

Anybody born in Northern Ireland can hold a British passport and then claim benefits in te republic of Ireland. Technically they are British nationals even though that's not what anybody is talking about when we talk about british nationals abroad. There are also dual nationality Irish people who migrate back and forth. I don't know how likely these scenario is, I just generally prefer not to take statistics at face value and that Ireland one looks offkey

As far as I know there are also separate agreements for Irish people migrating/working in the uk. That might have changed thiigh

 

 

misread you, all of the below is largely irrelevant, you make a good point though

 

there's no seperate agreement according to http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/coming_to_live_in_ireland/

 

Ireland pay for your benefits but if you're from the UK the DWP will cover your pension

 

however in case that doesn't work out you'd qualify for assistance

 

and finally according to http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/jobseekers_allowance.html#l1f4daif you're a migrant worker from the EEA, you qualify for job seekers as well as a few other benefits http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Habitual-Residence-Condition--Guidelines-for-Deciding-Offic.aspx#sect3

 

all these benefits are paid off of the back of EU rules, whether you're a UK national or a French national

 

question is were the benefits paid out like this to UK nationals before Ireland were in the EU and that I can't answer

[Thun]

The propaganda machine trying too hard to tarnish UKIP as the powers that be want to destroy them and certain of you on here are siding with the elites smh

Goes to show the EU ain't working as look at the state of some of these country's struggling with high umployment and living standards being downgraded

Pathetic article as they are desperate to demolish Farage but he keeps gaining more support as people waking up

[Zizouz]

The propaganda machine trying too hard to tarnish UKIP as the powers that be want to destroy them and certain of you on here are siding with the elites smh

Goes to show the EU ain't working as look at the state of some of these country's struggling with high umployment and living standards being downgraded

Pathetic article as they are desperate to demolish Farage but he keeps gaining more support as people waking up

 

So you got nothing... At least point something wrong out like Yuri did. 

 

But, I'll just throw this one out there too

 

 

Immigrants from Poland and the other nine countries that joined the EU in 2004 have contributed almost £5 billion more to the UK’s economy than they used in benefits and public services.

Analysis by the University College London Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration found that while the fiscal contribution by European workers was overwhelmingly positive – amounting to £20 billion in a decade – the same was not true for non-EEA arrivals.

[Thun]

The propaganda machine trying too hard to tarnish UKIP as the powers that be want to destroy them and certain of you on here are siding with the elites smh

Goes to show the EU ain't working as look at the state of some of these country's struggling with high umployment and living standards being downgraded

Pathetic article as they are desperate to demolish Farage but he keeps gaining more support as people waking up

So you got nothing... At least point something wrong out like Yuri did.

Exactly Yuri already demolished your silly propaganda article

Why do most on here suck up to elitist pro new world order party's like Labour and Cons as you go on all righteous but you side with people that hate you and your way of life.

These same party's and mainstream media tell you UKIP is racist while they got dodgy peado types in there party but you would rather support them smh

[Supermalt]

 defo got that why cant all brown people be like you pat on the head from dave upstairs

All aboard

[Zizouz]

 

 

The propaganda machine trying too hard to tarnish UKIP as the powers that be want to destroy them and certain of you on here are siding with the elites smh

Goes to show the EU ain't working as look at the state of some of these country's struggling with high umployment and living standards being downgraded

Pathetic article as they are desperate to demolish Farage but he keeps gaining more support as people waking up

So you got nothing... At least point something wrong out like Yuri did.

Exactly Yuri already demolished your silly propaganda article

Why do most on here suck up to elitist pro new world order party's like Labour and Cons as you go on all righteous but you side with people that hate you and your way of life.

These same party's and mainstream media tell you UKIP is racist while they got dodgy peado types in there party but you would rather support them smh

 

 

Not my article, buddy. At the same time, Yuri raised a legit concrn but that doesn't discount the fact that Irish....

 

never mind

 

forgot who I was responding to

 

I mean you editted my post to cut out the part you didnt like

 

you're something else

[Thun]

You got to accept that article is a propaganda piece and I know you try hard Zizouz to tarnish UKIP but try harder next time fella

[Supermalt]

Propaganda isnt one way

[Zizouz]

 

More than twice as many European Union immigrants are claiming unemployment benefits in Britain than vice versa, new figures have revealed.

Almost 65,000 EU nationals are getting Jobseeker's Allowance (JSA) in the UK compared to around 30,000 Britons claiming unemployment benefits elsewhere in the EU.

 

hmmm, guess it's not all that it seems

 

I'm still surprised by the number of Brits claiming abroad though

 

 

 

I'm guessing the foreigner cheating the system narrative was drummed up to make the incoming cuts to the welfare system easier to stomach

 

they preyed on the people's xenophobia

 

 

guess they weren't expecting those same people to then demand more from their government

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Thun >>>>>>>>>>>.

 

Just out here deflecting and blocking questions like

 

[Supermalt]

But are those same people hes standing with recognise him? I see it as isolating yourself which puts you in an even worse position in the long run. If before ive opened my mouth youve already sized me up, then whats the point?

[The Infamous]

Afgoon defo got that why cant all brown people be like you pat on the head from dave upstairs

All aboard

*waits for gambino to come with some skewed bs*

[Fighting Weight]

The benefits in Luxembourg >>

[Thun]

Thun >>>>>>>>>>>.

Just out here deflecting and blocking questions like

Your creating bare news topics and ain't even replying to them

Go to your Green Party topic which was trying to say they was more popular as they got more members lol, why try ignore it

[Da Luv Doc]

Propaganda isnt one way

 

This

[Mizchif]

"What about black on black crime?"

 

"Where the WHITE wimmin at?"

 

"We is our own worst enemy"

[Fresh]

Regarding the EU, not Farage:
 

Quantitive Easing
 
European Central Bank president Mario Draghi has taken the Eurozone into uncharted territory today as rate-setters agreed to pump €60 billion (£45.5 billion) month into the eurozone economy.
Mr Draghi has already cut interest rates to a record low of 0.05 per cent and attempted to boost lending by offering cheap loans to banks, but growth remains sluggish - just 0.2 per cent in the last quarter - and inflation turned negative for the first time in more than six years in December, with prices falling 0.2 per cent year on year. Mr Draghi will keep up the programme until March 2016, taking a €1.1 trillion gamble that the move will revive Eurozone growth.
 
What is it?
The clue’s in the name. It is, quite literally, when a central bank - like the ECB today - attempts to boost growth by increasing the amount of money in the economy when they’ve cut interest rates as far as they can go.

How does it work?
They don’t actually print money or lob it out of helicopters. A central bank creates money electronically, and uses to it to buy the debt (called bonds) that countries issue to pay their bills from institutions like insurers pension funds.

What happens then?
Buying up all that debt pushes down interest rates on the bonds and other financial assets - making it cheaper for companies to borrow and invest, increasing spending and job creation.

Will the extra money cause inflation?
With the cost of living in negative territory, Mr Draghi would love a bit of inflation - that’s the point. Too much deflation and businesses can delay spending decisions, sending the economy into a spiral of stagnation and falling prices. Inflation in the eurozone is -0.2 per cent, compared with the ECB target of 1.9 per cent.

What does it mean for me?
Cheaper holidays in Europe. All those extra euros sloshing around the financial system means the pound buys more euros. Sterling shot up more than 1c against the single currency to €1.3181 following Mr Draghi’s announcement.

What about the UK?
UK companies who export around 40 per cent of their goods to the eurozone should benefit from a brighter European economy, despite the stronger pound.

Who else has done QE?
The Bank of England and the US Federal Reserve launched QE early in the financial crisis in 2009, but the ECB is playing catch-up. This is partly due to the complexity of doing it across several countries at the same time, and partly because the inflation-wary Germans have been opposed.

Why don’t the Germans like it?
The Germans are against it because they think that QE from the central bank is just offering a sticking plaster to weaker economies like Italy and Spain, who need to push through economic improvements like a more flexible jobs market to improve competitiveness.

Has Draghi listened to them?
Yes. Although he’s gone ahead with QE, the way he’s done it means that individual central banks will be liable for losses on 80 per cent of the bonds bought. That way, Germany wouldn’t have to pick up the whole bill for any losses on, say, Spanish bonds.

Will QE work in the eurozone?
Difficult to say. €1.1 trillion sounds like a lot of money but it’s only around 10 per cent of the eurozone economy. The programmes undertaken by the BoE and the Fed were much bigger. But a less valuable euro will also help eurozone exporters.

Is it legal?
Printing money to finance Government debts is illegal under European Union treaties. But the ECB says QE is a purely monetary tool, in line with its mandate to ensure stable prices.

 

Another lifeline handed to weaker EU member states at the detriment of the rest of Europe. Just as well we kept the Pound.

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Farage said he has proof of a rigged election taking place tonight in the bye election

Hopefully he discloses this tomorrow