What league is better then PL

[O Fenomeno]

Guy chatting shit

He is obviously looking in from the outside

20 years ago would of been 94/95

PL was nowhere near the top

If anything it's a mirror image to now

Poor results in Europe

No genuine Elite players

The winter break excuse only used to crop up to masks The National team's failures one of many excuses.

When Rafa and Sir Alex were taking to teams to finals not once was there a mention of a winter break instead we were hearing things like

"Best League in World"

"The Big 4"

[Michel Kane]

 

Think I'll go with what this guy says 

 

THE difference.

 

It's a factor.

 

It's not the difference.

 

Because the same sort of flaws you see post-Jan, you'll see at the beginning of the season domestically between EPL teams, and in the early stages of the UCL group stages.

 

When Bayern played City off the park, WITH the ball, WITH a man down earlier on this season...you put that down to a winter break? LOL, then fast forward a few months, Chelsea vs. PSG, PSG a man down for the majority of the game and...lol.

[O Fenomeno]

Typical England cannot be humble enough expect your clubs teams and national team are not good enough also your league has sidemen scattered around your big teams.

The Germans accepted that and started from scratch with a brand new blueprint and philosophy

[Michel Kane]

& that is just the fitness aspect 

 

The detail you're talking about comes from a lack of interest from the higher ups in improving a clubs way of playing.

 

Again 

 

Most PL clubs only care about MONEY. they have no time to develop systems and "innovate" so they do what they can to survive in the league 

 

 

While being managed by "Big sam " who has no tactical nous nor any interest in youth development.

 

The lack of attention to detail is a cultural thing i.e. how simply we look at tactics. For example, 3-5-2 is the reason why United were playing poorly. These times, Liverpool with a weaker squad, switched to a 3-4-2-1 system, with attacking wingers playing as wingbacks (Ibe/Markovic), Henderson & Allen in CM, Emre Can at CB & Sterling as a lone striker yet are the most in-form team in the league aside from Arsenal.

 

You believe it starts at the top. I disagree & believe it starts at grassroots level & it's widespread thing.

[darkman]

 

Guys need to remember the CL is a cup competition...

Some d*ckhead logic

 

 

Does the best team in Europe always win the competion in your opinion?

[O Fenomeno]

When a team from The PL win CL it's never a clean win

Always re-guard performance never a footballing clinic

99-outplayed for large periods of the game

05-penalties

08-penalties

12-penalties

[i5_PRODUCER]

 

& that is just the fitness aspect 

 

The detail you're talking about comes from a lack of interest from the higher ups in improving a clubs way of playing.

 

Again 

 

Most PL clubs only care about MONEY. they have no time to develop systems and "innovate" so they do what they can to survive in the league 

 

 

While being managed by "Big sam " who has no tactical nous nor any interest in youth development.

 

The lack of attention to detail is a cultural thing i.e. how simply we look at tactics. For example, 3-5-2 is the reason why United were playing poorly. These times, Liverpool with a weaker squad, switched to a 3-4-2-1 system, with attacking wingers playing as wingbacks (Ibe/Markovic), Henderson & Allen in CM, Emre Can at CB & Sterling as a lone striker yet are the most in-form team in the league aside from Arsenal.

 

You believe it starts at the top. I disagree & believe it starts at grassroots level & it's widespread thing.

 

 

Ok i accept that. But the time given to a manager to achieve those results comes from if the board is willing. Which is usually never the case , they throw cash @ it. 

[Michel Kane]

 

 

& that is just the fitness aspect 

 

The detail you're talking about comes from a lack of interest from the higher ups in improving a clubs way of playing.

 

Again 

 

Most PL clubs only care about MONEY. they have no time to develop systems and "innovate" so they do what they can to survive in the league 

 

 

While being managed by "Big sam " who has no tactical nous nor any interest in youth development.

 

The lack of attention to detail is a cultural thing i.e. how simply we look at tactics. For example, 3-5-2 is the reason why United were playing poorly. These times, Liverpool with a weaker squad, switched to a 3-4-2-1 system, with attacking wingers playing as wingbacks (Ibe/Markovic), Henderson & Allen in CM, Emre Can at CB & Sterling as a lone striker yet are the most in-form team in the league aside from Arsenal.

 

You believe it starts at the top. I disagree & believe it starts at grassroots level & it's widespread thing.

 

 

Ok i accept that. But the time given to a manager to achieve those results comes from if the board is willing. Which is usually never the case , they throw cash @ it. 

 

 

Listen, when we talk about time, have a glance at how long managers last on the continent. EPL managers have it a tad better if anything, LOL.

[Michel Kane]

When a team from The PL win CL it's never a clean win

Always re-guard performance never a footballing clinic

99-outplayed for large periods of the game

05-penalties

08-penalties

12-penalties

 

TBF, United at the time were the best team in Europe in 2008.

[O Fenomeno]

Guys need to remember the CL is a cup competition...

Some d*ckhead logic

Does the best team in Europe always win the competion in your opinion?

So are you trying to tell me you rather win a competition full of fodder because you play more games than win a competition which features the best teams from your continent?

[i5_PRODUCER]

When a team from The PL win CL it's never a clean win

Always re-guard performance never a footballing clinic

99-outplayed for large periods of the game

05-penalties

08-penalties

12-penalties

 

LOL , This guy just has it in for the PL

 

some one definitely refused to sign your PL football back in the day , bitter since.

[O Fenomeno]

When a team from The PL win CL it's never a clean win

Always re-guard performance never a footballing clinic

99-outplayed for large periods of the game

05-penalties

08-penalties

12-penalties

TBF, United at the time were the best team in Europe in 2008.

Fully agreed but huff and puffed to win it like most English teams do when they win CL

[O Fenomeno]

When a team from The PL win CL it's never a clean win

Always re-guard performance never a footballing clinic

99-outplayed for large periods of the game

05-penalties

08-penalties

12-penalties

LOL , This guy just has it in for the PL

some one definitely refused to sign your PL football back in the day , bitter since.

Why would I want a ball signed by Zidane,Ronaldo,Figo to get dust on it?

[O Fenomeno]

& that is just the fitness aspect

The detail you're talking about comes from a lack of interest from the higher ups in improving a clubs way of playing.

Again

Most PL clubs only care about MONEY. they have no time to develop systems and "innovate" so they do what they can to survive in the league

While being managed by "Big sam " who has no tactical nous nor any interest in youth development.

The lack of attention to detail is a cultural thing i.e. how simply we look at tactics. For example, 3-5-2 is the reason why United were playing poorly. These times, Liverpool with a weaker squad, switched to a 3-4-2-1 system, with attacking wingers playing as wingbacks (Ibe/Markovic), Henderson & Allen in CM, Emre Can at CB & Sterling as a lone striker yet are the most in-form team in the league aside from Arsenal.

You believe it starts at the top. I disagree & believe it starts at grassroots level & it's widespread thing.

Ok i accept that. But the time given to a manager to achieve those results comes from if the board is willing. Which is usually never the case , they throw cash @ it.

Listen, when we talk about time, have a glance at how long managers last on the continent. EPL managers have it a tad better if anything, LOL.

Same Liverpool who bounced from CL to EL to one game a week in no time

But looked world beaters against Man City

[Thizz]

Are we gonna ignore the fact that over the last 10 years one of the 3 most consistent teams in the CL is English.

[Agony]

When a team from The PL win CL it's never a clean win

Always re-guard performance never a footballing clinic

99-outplayed for large periods of the game

05-penalties

08-penalties

12-penalties

 

TBF, United at the time were the best team in Europe in 2008.

2008 United squad was flexible enough to adapt to any team and any style of football.

GK and back 4 picked themselves but the 6 in front of them could be rotated depending on the opposition.

E.g.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/03/20/teams-of-the-decade-3-manchester-united-2006-09/

[Michel Kane]

Are we gonna ignore the fact that over the last 10 years one of the 3 most consistent teams in the CL is English.

 

No surprise that the coach who was there for the longest literally & in terms of influence is the most attentive to detail in the league?

 

That, in addition to their ability to acquire top players & you get the answer.

 

BTW, one team isn't enough. It's 5-6 clubs across UCL football AND Europa League.

[Mame Biram Diouf]

& that is just the fitness aspect

The detail you're talking about comes from a lack of interest from the higher ups in improving a clubs way of playing.

Again

Most PL clubs only care about MONEY. they have no time to develop systems and "innovate" so they do what they can to survive in the league

While being managed by "Big sam " who has no tactical nous nor any interest in youth development.

The lack of attention to detail is a cultural thing i.e. how simply we look at tactics. For example, 3-5-2 is the reason why United were playing poorly. These times, Liverpool with a weaker squad, switched to a 3-4-2-1 system, with attacking wingers playing as wingbacks (Ibe/Markovic), Henderson & Allen in CM, Emre Can at CB & Sterling as a lone striker yet are the most in-form team in the league aside from Arsenal.

You believe it starts at the top. I disagree & believe it starts at grassroots level & it's widespread thing.

Ok i accept that. But the time given to a manager to achieve those results comes from if the board is willing. Which is usually never the case , they throw cash @ it.

Listen, when we talk about time, have a glance at how long managers last on the continent. EPL managers have it a tad better if anything, LOL.

Think a big factor is that Spanish clubs tend to have a consistent playing style and a director of football who makes the signings

In the prem a new manager comes in with new ideas on how to play which can completely go against the previous manager and coaches, he then proceeds to bring in his own players, gets sacked a year later and the cycle continues.

Either keep a manager with a similar philosophy who is will keep the tactics similar and be able to the use the current players in his teams or give the new manager time to implement his ideas and accept short term failure as a consequence

Just look at Fulham, Rene wanted to bring youngsters through, play better football, they sign a good prospect in Larnell Cole, Magath then comes in and Cole is now in abyss.

Could cite so many other examples of it happening at different clubs too.

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Another major difference is the fans, they are more tactically stupid then other fans on the continent holistically speaking.

Just look at the way people talk about players like Carrick.

Had an argument with some English fans who said Gerrard in his peak behind Torres was better then Iniesta. Reasons cited was his goals scored, his willingness to run back and tackle and that he carried a team on his own.

Look at how many people were writing off Van Gaal without actually reading up on and understanding what he believes in and tries to implement at other clubs be has been at.

Look at the shit pundits we have to watch week in, week out, the awful opinions we have to debate against in the minority at work day in, day out.

When we keep the ball against teams it is boring, negative etc, but in Europe it is fundamental to slow the game down, keep hold of the ball and play your game rather than counter there's like a Moyes Boy would.

In Van Gaal, Koeman, Rodgers, Poch we do have some potential to improve our game but they all need time, money and support to do so.

[O Fenomeno]

+1

[O Fenomeno]

Are we gonna ignore the fact that over the last 10 years one of the 3 most consistent teams in the CL is English.

Chelsea yeah?

[Agony]

Kompany:

“They’re a special team with special players, of course. I think their ability is not about hurting you all game - you can have tougher games when you go to Stoke City."

These days the pace of the Prem and cold nights at the Britannia and other stadiums isn't good enough preparation for European competitions.

[Michel Kane]

Foreign teams began to match & even surpass the intensity.

 

Arsenal vs. Barcelona/BVB

 

Chelsea vs. Atletico/PSG

 

United vs. Bilbao

 

Just a few examples.

[O Fenomeno]

Three of the biggest myths

1. Consistency of playing style

Only Barca y Villarreal have had the same playing style over the last ten years.

2. Sporting Director/Director Of Football influence

They don't have power anymore and haven't had a major say in transfers for years

Since the days of Mijatovic@Real(truly awful transfers were made) y Monchi who was lauded a transfer guru(due to his signings of Dani Alves,Keita e Julio Baptista) an SD/DOF has had zero influence

3. The last and biggest myth that La Liga coaches are allowed more time

How is this even possible if Diego Simeone is the league's longest serving manager since Winter 2011?

[Bobby Reds]

Another major difference is the fans, they are more tactically stupid then other fans on the continent holistically speaking.

Just look at the way people talk about players like Carrick.

Had an argument with some English fans who said Gerrard in his peak behind Torres was better then Iniesta. Reasons cited was his goals scored, his willingness to run back and tackle and that he carried a team on his own.

Look at how many people were writing off Van Gaal without actually reading up on and understanding what he believes in and tries to implement at other clubs be has been at.

Look at the sh*t pundits we have to watch week in, week out, the awful opinions we have to debate against in the minority at work day in, day out.

When we keep the ball against teams it is boring, negative etc, but in Europe it is fundamental to slow the game down, keep hold of the ball and play your game rather than counter there's like a Moyes Boy would.

In Van Gaal, Koeman, Rodgers, Poch we do have some potential to improve our game but they all need time, money and support to do so.

sorry but