ITV Leaders Debate: April 2nd - 8pm to 10pm

[Gambino]

 

As I said I'm a UKIP guy. But they don't have a chance of getting into power. Out of the 2 Evils I'd prefer Conservatives, they are offering the referendum.

 

That kinda 'lesser of two evils' logic is f*cking flawed and has been lapped up by most politically uneducated divs.

 

Just vote for who you want, don't try and tap into the national consciousness and predict the future.

 

 

Already know I'm voting UKIP Regardless. I never said lesser of 2 Evils either, I said 2 Evils full stop, only one is giving me a UKIP policy which is a vote on Europe. Plus we have opinion polls and surveys which give good indications of where the votes are going so we kinda know what the future holds.

[Don Crack]

[dub]

Last weeks Miliband + Cameron interviews. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05qqbqw/election-2015-cameron-and-miliband-live-the-battle-for-number-10

 

Paxman went in deep still but Ed held his own.

[Don Crack]

I just don't get the lefties mentality.

 

The reality is that people dont give a shit about the country. They enjoy the NHS being abused. They clearly dont care. The tory voters and labour voters think its good that the government spends a fortune on treating HIV patients from foreign countries instead of putting its own citizens first. Its not called the International health service.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2788843/immigrants-hiv-true-cost-nhs-international-health-service-treating-patients-come-killer-disease-asks-sue-reid.html

[Gambino]

I consider them self loathing Brits. People that have been groomed to despise everything about this country. They are the same people who scream freedom, democracy and equality but as soon as they hear an opinion they don't like they attack somebody, and of course when they can't win an argument they scream racism. They are responsible for this country turning to shit.

[Don Crack]

Kevin Lee: The venom directed at Farage shows how far Britain has lurched to the Left

 

http://conservativewoman.co.uk/kevin-lee-the-venom-directed-at-farage-shows-how-far-britain-has-lurched-to-the-left/

[Zizouz]

I just don't get the lefties mentality.

 

The reality is that people dont give a sh*t about the country. They enjoy the NHS being abused. They clearly dont care. The tory voters and labour voters think its good that the government spends a fortune on treating HIV patients from foreign countries instead of putting its own citizens first. Its not called the International health service.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2788843/immigrants-hiv-true-cost-nhs-international-health-service-treating-patients-come-killer-disease-asks-sue-reid.html

 

What would you say to budgetary analysis showing that non-EEA migrants contribute 2% more per year than they take out? Leaving people with HIV untreated and untested... sounds like a good idea. Let's make it more likely to either spread or get so serious that they'll eventually be admitted to A&E and cost the tax payer more (ignoring the moral side of it all completely, which I'm guessing you have no real issue with). It's also proven that migrants generally come to the UK in better health than the general population.

 

This image of sick people coming to the UK specifically for treatment, someone provide me with a link, some sort of proof. I'm not the type to hide from it, if it's true then send the link and not a dailymail article with lots of conjecture.

 

You make the point that this isn't the 'the International health service'... no sh*t. The NHS was founded on the principle of free care to all. When the conservatives in the past tried to limit that to the British, the founder said, and I quote

 

 

 

How do we distinguish a visitor from anybody else? Are British citizens to carry means of identification everywhere to prove that they are not visitors? What began as an attempt to keep the Health Service for ourselves would end by being a nuisance to everybody. The whole agitation has a nasty taste. Instead of rejoicing at the opportunity to practice a civilised principle, Conservatives have tried to exploit the most disreputable emotions in this among many other attempts to discredit socialised medicine.

 

Except it aint the Conservatives this time, it's UKIP humanity forever going in circles. I also thought this guy's words would hit a nerve with Thun. He was always right about the government spying and that way back when. You'd need a new and huge infortmation system to make any changes work, no? Linking home office files with nhs files. Otherwise we'd need ID cards? I dunno, feel free to correct me.

 

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As for those cunts that attacked Farage... Horseshoe Theory. Not that much different from EDL/NationalFront nutcases when you look at them closely.

[Don Crack]

LOL

 

Figures obtained by the Sunday Express show that in the past three years the NHS has paid for 3,689 cases where foreigners had medical treatment back home.

 

Three-quarters of these were maternity care for expectant mothers, which in the UK costs the health service £1,600 for every birth.

 

EU law means that as soon as immigrants become resident here they are entitled to free health care anywhere within the European Union.

 

Crucially, however, it’s the country of their residence rather than their nationality that has to meet the eventual bill.

 

Polish migrants are responsible for most cases with 1,285 claims, 75 per cent of which were for mothers-to-be.

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/568394/British-taxpayers-spend-millions-foreign-births

[dub]

don't figures also show that immigrants have contributed more to the economy than they take from tax-payer funded services?

[Gambino]

The problem with these stats are they don't take into account all the unlegit people over here. I've seen my own local shop raided a few times and the asian workers taken away for being in the country illegally. 

 

Also who remembers that American Tranni in the papers that was coming to the UK just to get the free sex change op on the NHS.

 

Farage already said he would rather the country be slightly less wealthy than have immigration as it is. Beyond the economical argument there is the social aspects of it. At the rate it's at some don't come here to integrate, they come here and build their own communities and don't adopt our views or language at times.

[dub]

But we get told that most UKIP supporters are people who aren't living around and benefiting from the immigrants. I'm not sure most care about the supposed negative social aspect of it.

 

Obviously there are some who fall out of that generalisation (which I assume you and Don Crack do).

[Gambino]

I think in general, in areas full of immigrants or not. People tend to agree when UKIP policies but then they have that stigma where it's like but I can't vote for them because someone said they are racist. Had my mate ringing me up that day when the the elections were on asking me to explain UKIP and Farage to his bird because she agreed with what he was saying but her friend's were telling her she can't support them because of the race thing.

[dub]

what UKIP policies do you agree with beyond ones that regard foreign policy and immigration?

[Gambino]

Read that post I did the other day bro. Mame put up a video of Farage and asked me to go through the policies which I agreed with or disagreed with, went through it all there. Reminds me he called me and Thun out on it but never answered it himself lol.

 

The only thing I have read on their policies off the top of my head right now was I am unsure about them wanting to scrap things like wind farms in favour of Nuclear Power. 

 

Dropping HS2, Cutting Foreign Aid and bringing back Grammar schools etc I agree with.

[dub]

I don't know where that post would be.

 

Why would you drop HS2?

It would mean residents of the Midlands could earn more as they can work in London. Leading to more investment in the Midlands and lowering the cost of residency in London.

 

We'd need to invest more in the rail system eventually, what's wrong with HS2?

[Gambino]

IMO I Think with us being in such debt it's a waste of money. Don't even see it benefiting other cities that much. Why not just invest more money in other cities regardless? There was talk not long ago of turning Manchester into a booming city for Fabrics like it was when we started the Industrial Revolution.

[Don Crack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5e7aPCka3Y

 

Lefties at it again

 

Why do Lefties hate Britain?

[Don Crack]

Muslim group with links to extremists boasts of influencing election

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11515630/Muslim-group-with-links-to-extremists-boasts-of-influencing-election.html

[dub]

because London is where the money comes in from, if it was just 30 minutes away you might see companies that are HQ'd in London move some of their business to the Midlands - Manchester would be 1 hour away instead of 2, as well as Manchester Airport (around the same time as the Stansted Express, it would become a viable airport for people wanting to travel to/from London)

 

you can pump money into cities but ultimately you want to make sure that money creates more money, and making the trip to/from the capital easier will undoubtably do that

 

i agree its a lot of money, too much for me really to comprehend, but the idea of investing in this sort of transport sounds good to me

 

perhaps proposing alternative investment would be the proper way to argue against the development of HS2, but it would need more than just a statement of "Invest in National Rail"

[Gambino]

The lack of HS2 didn't stop the BBC doing some relocating to Manchester Dub. HS2 isn't really needed. And like I said IMO I think it would benefit London more than it would all the other Cities across the UK. I like the idea of having this advanced speed rail etc but the cost of it when the countries in debt just doesn't make sense to me right now.

[local]

thought it was unanimous that hs2 is a stupid waste of money

 

just give us a few more fucking carriages at the weekend u pricks

 

sick of pisstaking crowded trains

[Gambino]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5e7aPCka3Y

 

Lefties at it again

 

Why do Lefties hate Britain?

 

See when he dropped about Councillors serving in prison how quickly she moved on from it and didn't wanna hear no more LMAO. He should just drop Dianne Abbots name when these fools talk shit to him. 

[Don Crack]

Everyone brushed Nigel Farage Aside when he brought up cutting foreign Aid

 

New EU regulations mean Britain's foreign aid spend will rise sharply, according to sources

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/568117/foreign-aid-European-Union-EU-Britain-government-DFID-politics

[dub]

No one's touching foreign aid as a campaigning policy because no one wants to say "stop helping those in need". It would be akin to "stop investing in homeless shelters" and so on. Regardless of the facts of inefficiency, you can't say "the right thing is to stop helping" its not as easy to swing as "students will now end up paying less for their education in the long run" or whatever it is the Conservatives say about tuition fees.

 

Its not a unanimous agreement that "HS2 is a waste of money" but there is a big opinion that they're overspending. If it was a waste, it wouldn't happen.

 

BBC relocating to Manchester isn't the same thing.

 

Arguably London would benefit more. But the idea is that if London benefits economically, the rest of the country benefits. Though I'm sure many would disagree.

[Gambino]

Farage is touching Foreign Aid, because we all know he's the only one that stands up and speaks the real. For the love of me I do not understand how any sane British person can recycle their vote on people they know for a fact lie to them.