back with a vengeance BREXIT - 31 January 2020

[Grafter]

It was theatrics tho wern it

 

[Badman]

Game of chess at the moment, currently in stalemate

All the pieces are in place, waiting for the right opportunity to strike

One wrong move and its all over hence the standoff 

[Supermalt]

British arrogance is amazing. So many happy with no deal and "trading with the rest of the world" like it empire part 2. Wtf.

Willing to die on a sinking ship as long as it has your name on it. Fucking clowns.

 

[Vtec]

2 hours ago, Supermalt said:

British arrogance is amazing. So many happy with no deal and "trading with the rest of the world" like it empire part 2. Wtf.

Willing to die on a sinking ship as long as it has your name on it. Fucking clowns.

 

collateral damage flex 

[zoot]

3 hours ago, Supermalt said:

British arrogance is amazing. So many happy with no deal and "trading with the rest of the world" like it empire part 2. Wtf.

Willing to die on a sinking ship as long as it has your name on it. Fucking clowns.

 

I think it's worth the gamble of no deal

The EU is also a sinking ship

[Badman]

EU never a sinking ship

[Da Luv Doc]

20 minutes ago, Badman said:

EU never a sinking ship

Why do you say this?

[Badman]

The notion of nationalism and the 'country' entity is slowly becoming outdated and obsolete 

The notion of an EU state is a progressive one IMO

[Da Luv Doc]

4 hours ago, Badman said:

The notion of nationalism and the 'country' entity is slowly becoming outdated and obsolete 

The notion of an EU state is a progressive one IMO

Smh, just look at America (USA), I do not want tbh. 

The way it is at the moment is fine. To have a political union like that with so many different core cultures isn't a good move and is not progressive. We are seeing move local power, which is more progressive than giving a massive state the core power. Imagine if these (would be former) countries had their ability to stop any of the laws taking place. Nah mate.

[Grafter]

We dont need an EU state. But having power as a trading block when other countries around the world have and are trading as blocks is just logical.

 

[Heero Yuy]

I agree

[Badman]

4 hours ago, Da Luv Doc said:

Smh, just look at America (USA), I do not want tbh. 

The way it is at the moment is fine. To have a political union like that with so many different core cultures isn't a good move and is not progressive. We are seeing move local power, which is more progressive than giving a massive state the core power. Imagine if these (would be former) countries had their ability to stop any of the laws taking place. Nah mate.

Never said anything about how power is distributed or the structure of government.

USA again based on primitive nationalistic principals,

a progressive state entity needs to have more focus on free trade and commerce and without borders 

freedom of movement as well as long as it can be managed correctly. And it can tbh we are not far off.

 

[Grafter]

If you're lookin for an EU state then you are lookin at more than just trade. Thats a political union

[Heero Yuy]

7 hours ago, Badman said:

a progressive state entity needs to have more focus on free trade and commerce and without borders 

freedom of movement as well as long as it can be managed correctly. And it can tbh we are not far off.

 

 

How do you conform 500m+ people, from 28  diffetent countries,  different ethnicities, with various religious, cultural and political beliefs  into a  progressive state? It’s hard enough to create a cohesive multicultural progressive society in a single country, let alone across a supposed super state like the eu.

[Badman]

Its all heading towards that direction

It wont happen overnight 

Its just dumb shit like brexit which hinders such progression 

[Da Luv Doc]

2 hours ago, Heero Yuy said:

 

How do you conform 500m+ people, from 28  diffetent countries,  different ethnicities, with various religious, cultural and political beliefs  into a  progressive state? It’s hard enough to create a cohesive multicultural progressive society in a single country, let alone across a supposed super state like the eu.

Exactly, it makes no sense. It's not progression neither, more regression.

 

Just trade as a crew and trade between each other.

[Heero Yuy]

34 minutes ago, Badman said:

Its all heading towards that direction

It wont happen overnight 

Its just dumb shit like brexit which hinders such progression 

It definitely seemed like it was going that way, but these right wing populist movement have threw a serious spanner in the works. Merkel on her way out, Macron having a hard time, the future is gonna be interesting.

[Badman]

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[Badman]

31 minutes ago, Da Luv Doc said:

Exactly, it makes no sense. It's not progression neither, more regression.

 

Just trade as a crew and trade between each other.

Please explain to me how you believe it is regressive?

And if it is not progressive, what do you believe to be a progressive solution?

The notion of nationalism might have been a good concept back in the stone age when communication, transportation, commerce, health, culture etc etc etc was all primitive

In this day and age when everything is accessible and cosmopolitan concepts like borders, language, religion, political systems etc are all slowly becoming bottlenecks in this modern and progressive society.

  

[Da Luv Doc]

In general, the West is right wing. It is becoming increasingly right wing/shifting to the right. In fact, is say they have always been right wing. Increasing a central power is diluting democracy due to a far larger general election. Which is why I agree with devolution of power to local areas. Throughout history, large states of "former countries" have always failed (look at all the empires and invasions).

[Grafter]

4 hours ago, Da Luv Doc said:

In general, the West is right wing. It is becoming increasingly right wing/shifting to the right. In fact, is say they have always been right wing. Increasing a central power is diluting democracy due to a far larger general election. Which is why I agree with devolution of power to local areas. Throughout history, large states of "former countries" have always failed (look at all the empires and invasions).

Never thought about it like that regards diluting democracy.

Devolution is power is certainly the right direction tho. The move towards globalisation has a lot of negatives

[cambridgebanteer]

@Badman is correct, the dissolution of formal nation state boundaries is an inevitable facet of humanity's trajectory, the failure of Brexit shows this is a literal unstoppable force now. 

[Badman]

5 hours ago, Da Luv Doc said:

In general, the West is right wing. It is becoming increasingly right wing/shifting to the right. In fact, is say they have always been right wing. Increasing a central power is diluting democracy due to a far larger general election. Which is why I agree with devolution of power to local areas. Throughout history, large states of "former countries" have always failed (look at all the empires and invasions).

I never mentioned anything about increasing a central power 

you need to stop thinking on those levels, empire you know smh

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I try not to refer to the concept of Globalisation as that notion comes from a primitive standpoint.

all these political and social systems, nationalism, capitalism, right wing, left wing, democracy, communism, socialism etc have no place in contemporary society imo. 

The reality here is that modern civilisation is made up of a lot of these so called labels it’s not as clear cut as it was back then when there wasn’t many options or choice, was far easier and convenient to adopt such labels 

it’s not a logical viewpoint to adopt these labels when trying to describe the system that we are living in currently imo. If anything it just adds further bottlenecks and slows down progression. 

 

[Heero Yuy]

19 minutes ago, Badman said:

I never mentioned anything about increasing a central power 

you need to stop thinking on those levels, empire you know smh

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I try not to refer to the concept of Globalisation as that notion comes from a primitive standpoint.

all these political and social systems, nationalism, capitalism, right wing, left wing, democracy, communism, socialism etc have no place in contemporary society imo. 

The reality here is that modern civilisation is made up of a lot of these so called labels it’s not as clear cut as it was back then when there wasn’t many options or choice, was far easier and convenient to adopt such labels 

it’s not a logical viewpoint to adopt these labels when trying to describe the system that we are living in currently imo. If anything it just adds further bottlenecks and slows down progression. 

 

 

in your view what are we progressing towards?