The "another american shooting" thread

[ag.]

10 minutes ago, Trap God said:

Getting tired of educating grown men on here tbh

There is a reason why gun crime here and in the US aren't comparable

Its not the law

Just over 20 years ago you could legally own handguns in the UK

After dunblane that changed 

And although gun related offences went up in the years that followed (probably due to people being arrested for possessing firearms which weren't legal anymore) the homicide rate remained static until about 2007/8 when we had that spike

Feel free to expound on whatever point you were making with this in mind.

I used Switzerland as an example simply because you can legally own the same types of guns you can in some (not all) American states 

http://www.gunshopschweiz.ch/Manufacturer/Products?mainCategoryId=17&manufacturerId=1372

All these beauties for sale 100% legal

Yet the numbers there aren't comparable to the US numbers

Ask yourself why that is

Damn sure ain't because "the law dictates the culture"

/

A man asked a hypothetical question and I answered

My answers had as much value as the question with respect to whoever asked it

Better question would be

How many of your parents legally owned handguns prior to changes in the law that came in the mid 90s?

Also of the hundreds of users on here that are eligible to apply for a gun licence and own a shotgun legally I would be surprised if even 1 user on here has gone through the process (which I might add takes less time money and effort than getting a driving licence)

Its never been part of the culture here to own guns like that regardless of the legality behind it

What ur not understanding is that America is too different to switzerland and the uk which are similar countries, or more so than usa.

the laws that work in european countries will not necessarily work in usa. think about why

[SLEAZE BALL]

Is this brudda alright?

[Heero Yuy]

The NRA donated more than 30m to Trumps campaign. 

[Gambino]

8 hours ago, VENOM said:

why not? who gives a shit about him..oh wait.. i understand. kl kl

I doubted EVERYONE on the forum shared your fetish for seeing dead bodies mate. What can I say, I'm a thoughtful guy.

[Vtec]

1 hour ago, ag. said:

What ur not understanding is that America is too different to switzerland and the uk which are similar countries, or more so than usa.

the laws that work in european countries will not necessarily work in usa. think about why

There is no difference with America to any other European nation in terms of kill culture. America is a country founded by Europeans who killed and slaughtered their way in and founded a new nation, and repeated globally in just about every other country they dominate.

Europe and the gun relationship is not as synonymous, in founding origins as it was more swords and maces etc..

Regardless of gun culture or laws around it, European killing for power or hunting for sport culture is the name of the game. Owning a gun legally/lawfully, it's only purpose is to kill a bit more efficient than using bare hand and knives.

American Massacres of worse scale been happening waaaay back, it's what they do, this is a terrorist state and country past and present. Guns helped them turn the tide of control, to finish off wiping out the native people fighting to stay alive from them. The gun represents specific freedom and liberty for them as it gained them power and founding of a nation, it's their holy grail.

1917 - East St. Louis massacre - 100 - 200 Dead

1919 - Elaine race riot, also called the Elaine massacre - 100 - 237 Deaths

1921 - Tulsa Massacre - 300+ dead

If I were to list them all, never mind the global atrocities, (it's mind blowing)

1 hour ago, Heero Yuy said:

The NRA donated more than 30m to Trumps campaign. 

yep, just like LGBT donated millions during Obama's election, he returns favour granting batts marriage laws.

[QPR Dee]

1 hour ago, Trap God said:

 

http://www.gunshopschweiz.ch/Manufacturer/Products?mainCategoryId=17&manufacturerId=1372

 

MAD

[Greens]

1 hour ago, ag. said:

What ur not understanding is that America is too different to switzerland and the uk which are similar countries, or more so than usa.

the laws that work in european countries will not necessarily work in usa. think about why

Loool

So therefore it's down to... culture?

Swear you are arguing the same point.

[ag.]

23 minutes ago, Vtec said:

There is no difference with America to any other European nation in terms of kill culture. America is a country founded by Europeans who killed and slaughtered their way in and founded a new nation, and repeated globally in just about every other country they dominate.

Europe and the gun relationship is not as synonymous, in founding origins as it was more swords and maces etc..

Regardless of gun culture or laws around it, European killing for power or hunting for sport culture is the name of the game. Owning a gun legally/lawfully, it's only purpose is to kill a bit more efficient than using bare hand and knives.

American Massacres of worse scale been happening waaaay back, it's what they do, this is a terrorist state and country past and present. Guns helped them turn the tide of control, to finish off wiping out the native people fighting to stay alive from them. The gun represents specific freedom and liberty for them as it gained them power and founding of a nation, it's their holy grail.

1917 - East St. Louis massacre - 100 - 200 Dead

1919 - Elaine race riot, also called the Elaine massacre - 100 - 237 Deaths

1921 - Tulsa Massacre - 300+ dead

If I were to list them all, never mind the global atrocities, (it's mind blowing)

yep, just like LGBT donated millions during Obama's election, he returns favour granting batts marriage laws.

England has no history of slaver/enslaved like America. And the last real invasion of england was like 900 yrs ago.America has a completely different history and society to northern europe so the LAWS even if identical will have different effect. ppl in this thread trying to make pointless comparisons basically

[Vtec]

4 minutes ago, ag. said:

England has no history of slavery.

I think you need to back away from the keyboard prompt.

Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 in the British slave trade. It is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6185756.stm

Go take a trip to Bristol/Liverpool and Southampton, even Saint Katherine docks by tower bridge, learn some history.

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Listen what Trap has said, you're making zero sense.

[Drift]

28 minutes ago, Vtec said:

yep, just like LGBT donated millions during Obama's election, he returns favour granting batts marriage laws.

Only way to get shit done in any country.

Blacks still marching, praying and pleading though.

[ag.]

8 minutes ago, Vtec said:

I think you need to back away from the keyboard prompt.

Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 in the British slave trade. It is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6185756.stm

Go take a trip to Bristol/Liverpool and Southampton, even Saint Katherine docks by tower bridge, learn some history.

/

Listen what Trap has said, you're making zero sense.

Try reading to understand the point? England INTERNALLY, has never had chattel slavery. Feudalism or something is not slavery, obviously.

 

[Gambino]

14 minutes ago, Vtec said:

 

Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 in the British slave trade.

 Britain the most dominant in their own slave trade, who else were you expecting to be?

[Vtec]

Slavery in Great Britain existed and was recognised from before the Roman occupation until the 12th century, when chattel slavery disappeared after the Norman Conquest.

[Gambino]

15 hours ago, Heero Yuy said:

beg you man don't fraff up the thread pls.

 

[Vtec]

Just now, Gambino said:

 Britain the most dominant in their own slave trade, who else were you expecting to be?

I see no difference between French (Haiti) Spanish (Dom rep/Cuba/ Puerto Rico, south america, Mexico, north america)/Portuguese (South America) or British (jamaica/Barbados etc), all European slave trade all powered by the Holy Christian Roman Empire and financed by Jews of the day.

[Gambino]

Ahhhh yea you see no difference. You like to just round up all historical issues and blame it on the British, I hear you. Do you blame the Barbary Slave Trade on us too yea?

Anyways as Heero said....

[ag.]

5 hours ago, Trap God said:

Is this brudda alright?

Its funny that you have some attitude of being more educated, when you cant comprehend basic things

[SLEAZE BALL]

Youre right

I can't comprehend basic things

Which is exactly why youre going on my ignore list 

@Vtec @Gambino beg u man allow it plz

[ag.]

People on here like u cant debate coz ur too busy trying to push ur half baked opinions. Some of u guys should stick to the road topics and music threads really

[Gambino]

@Trap God @ag. Beg you two stop already.

[Vtec]

 

@Trap God

I'm merely adding context to what America is, and no different to its European counterpart. Nothing for me to allow.

Certain posters clearly get emosh, i'm not responsible for their outbursts or deflections at proven history.

[Afroman]

From a terrorist attack in vegas to  the slave trade 

This is why I love this place 

[Gambino]

 

[Vtec]

Pt.3

[Gambino]

They believe this shooter may have had help and planned to survive and escape after the attack.