Cause and Solutions to Rise in Recent Violent Crime

[Thizz]

Sadiq Khan has been terrible in all of this btw.

Tory cuts to Police are obviously the main cause.

[NORA BATTY]

It was all in the news yesturday 

London is worse than new york for Murder rates something like 68 murders in london since jan 

 

[Thizz]

Yeah but that's cause New York has dropped significantly isn't it?

[Kompressor]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/27/nyregion/new-york-city-crime-2017.html

 

Scale back in arrests and stop and frisk among other things....

 

Seems like it's working, long may it continue. Rapes are up but that has been put down to more victims coming forward due to the #metoo movement. 

[ag.]

Simple solution. From now onwards they should heavily restrict the output of urban music channels like linkup, pressplay, radar, etc. Also big increases in stop and search. If they have to profile people so be it. These entitled little lazy cunts doing the stabbing and shooting are massively influenced by the music and the surrounding culture, regardless of what brain dead mongs on here and twitter might say. They should throw the whole drill genre in the bin. Let these kids be forced into viewing themselves and their surroundings differently. But of course it will never happen. The same old mongs coming out with tired 'but its the system making young Kymani stab his opps with a 15inch hunting knife!!!' 

[Thizz]

Yeah ban video games and films too whilst we're at it!!!!

[Kompressor]

Interesting points/opinions. 

 

However history shows that reducing stop and search has a positive effect on violent crime rates. 

Maybe due to them being done in a more thought out way so time isn't wasted on stopping Jamal because he's running for a bus or standing outside a chicken shop talking to his friend.

 

 

[ag.]

No you fucking mongrel. The video games and film thing is a irrelevant in this era. This new music generation is extrmely influential on these kids. 

[ag.]

Drill music ESPECIALLY has NO reedeming qualities for fucks sake

[ag.]

I heard someone say drill music is basically a "war cry". Summed it up perfectly

[Kompressor]

6 minutes ago, Thizz said:

Yeah ban video games and films too whilst we're at it!!!!

These times people don't seem to keep in mind that the people making these videos/tunes are from these communities and are products of these environments, 

 

You can stop people seeing these guys on the internet, how's that going to help (youth x from Peckham) when these guys are 2 floors below them on the estate?

 

The aim should be to target those guys making the tunes at 24 when they are 11/12 to ensure these types of tunes aren't made in the future due to a more positive outlook/perception of the world/environment they live in.

Banning the Music is useless as the mindset and what feeds it is already there.

 

Drill Music doesn't fuel gang violence/involvement.

 

Gang violence/involvement fuels the Music.

[Thizz]

4 minutes ago, ag. said:

No you fucking mongrel. The video games and film thing is a irrelevant in this era. This new music generation is extrmely influential on these kids. 

Yeah I forgot no-one plays video games or watches films anymore you second hand crep wearing tramp

[Afroman]

 

41 minutes ago, Kompressor said:

 

Drill Music doesn't fuel gang violence/involvement.

 

Gang violence/involvement fuels the Music.

What a load of nonsense

[dayomesaydayo]

1 hour ago, Grafter said:

He ain worth it

Same guy who says it ain worth actually talking to the youts

Hes not wrong though. 

People are acting like these dumb ass youts have anything substantial or intelligent to say.

Weve seen it before.

Ask jamal why he turned to gangs and crime and you will get.

" its the roads fam"

"Mans on the roads innit"

"Its cold out here"

" oh yeah free syco,free rambo,free bush,free toilet paper,free nine"

Aint working.

 

[Afroman]

4 minutes ago, dayomesaydayo said:

Hes not wrong though. 

People are acting like these dumb ass youts have anything substantial or intelligent to say.

Weve seen it before.

Ask jamal why he turned to gangs and crime and you will get.

" its the roads fam"

"Mans on the roads innit"

"Its cold out here"

" oh yeah free syco,free rambo,free bush,free toilet paper,free nine"

Aint working.

 

In her own ideal world,

Having cosy chats in a youth centre,  while billin up a zoot,making trap tunes in a government funded studio is the ideal solution.

[zoot]

Drill music and the rise of everything being filmed  for twitter/insta/snapchat has definitely had a huge influence on all this violence

Look at how many 'rappers' are popping up all over the place all saying the same shit.

I remember back in school mid to late 2000s it seemed bad when there was a few murders in Peckham/Brixton etc but this is just straight killings multiple times a week and doesn't seem to be stopping. What other factors have changed since then other than social media?

[dayomesaydayo]

48 minutes ago, Kompressor said:

These times people don't seem to keep in mind that the people making these videos/tunes are from these communities and are products of these environments, 

 

You can stop people seeing these guys on the internet, how's that going to help (youth x from Peckham) when these guys are 2 floors below them on the estate?

 

The aim should be to target those guys making the tunes at 24 when they are 11/12 to ensure these types of tunes aren't made in the future due to a more positive outlook/perception of the world/environment they live in.

Banning the Music is useless as the mindset and what feeds it is already there.

 

Drill Music doesn't fuel gang violence/involvement.

 

Gang violence/involvement fuels the Music.

Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not its definitely part of the problem.

For me the biggest issue is bad parenting and lack of discipline and guidance from parents but its definitely a big problem and a big reason for this shit.

 

[Kompressor]

Of course its an issue. It isn't the root though. 

 

The root (I.E. All the causes listed like absent parents, low self worth/esteem etc) is step 1. Drill is step 3 or 4. The violence/crime is step 2. 

 

These drill rappers are already "in the field" before the music. The real issue is whatever brought them to the field. 

The music is a result same as the violence. Not the cause. 

 

(Don't know if I'm explaining this clearly at all)

[Seydou]

I don't get the music relation.

Didn't majority of this forum grow up on "violent" street rap?

[NORA BATTY]

What wiley and so solid lool

[Heero Yuy]

When you give the government the power to start banning things like types of music. You would literally have to be a complete idiot to not see where that kind of authortian mentality will end up. History has many great lessons of people who gave too much power to their government .

can’t believe man are really are trusting politicians, the police and others in power to just do the right thing and not abuse power. Clear to see who was born yesterday out here.

[Thizz]

49 minutes ago, dayomesaydayo said:

Hes not wrong though. 

People are acting like these dumb ass youts have anything substantial or intelligent to say.

Weve seen it before.

Ask jamal why he turned to gangs and crime and you will get.

" its the roads fam"

"Mans on the roads innit"

"Its cold out here"

" oh yeah free syco,free rambo,free bush,free toilet paper,free nine"

Aint working.

 

Where have you seen these conversations?

[Grafter]

3 minutes ago, Thizz said:

Where have you seen these conversations?

These people dont live in the real world

Not remotely. They don't know whats goin on and thats ok. They just need to stop speaking on it

[Afroman]

4 minutes ago, Grafter said:

These people dont live in the real world

Not remotely. They don't know whats goin on and thats ok. They just need to stop speaking on it

Yeah sure.

Like your own version of the real world is everyones reality.