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Death penalty - Yay or Nay?

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The UK would not oppose the use of the death penalty if two alleged Islamic state members were extradited to the US, the home secretary says.

In a letter leaked to the Telegraph, Sajid Javid said he would seek no assurances about the sentences.

Alexanda Kotey and El Shafee Elsheikh, from west London, were captured in Syria in January.

Labour said the UK had "unilaterally abandoned" its opposition to the death penalty.

For years Britain sought assurances from foreign governments that the death penalty would not be used in cases where the UK provided information or extradited suspects.

Number 10 said it was "a long-standing position of the government to oppose the death penalty in all circumstances as a matter of principle".

But it added that in this case it was "a priority to make sure that these men face criminal prosecution".

The PM was aware of the letter and discussions with the US on this issue were continuing, Number 10 said.

The two men are accused of being the last two members of an IS foursome dubbed "The Beatles" because of their British accents.

Earlier this year, in an interview with Associated Press, they complained that they would not get a fair trial because the UK government had stripped them of their British citizenship.

The BBC's security correspondent Frank Gardner said a senior British government official told him that this case was not the first time that the UK had dropped its request for assurances that the death penalty would not be used.

But our correspondent said if the pair were sent to the controversial US military prison Guantanamo Bay - where suspects have been detained without trial - the UK would withhold intelligence.

"It's got a lot: the Metropolitan Police has spent four years gathering intelligence on them," he said.

In the letter to Jeff Sessions, dated 22 June 2018, Mr Javid wrote that the UK would not seek "assurances" over the death penalty in this particular case, but said it did not mark a change in UK policy.

"I am of the view that there are strong reasons for not requiring a death penalty assurance in this specific case, so no such assurances will be sought," he said.

But the former independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, Lord Carlile, described the letter as "extraordinary".

"We do not extradite people to countries where there is a death penalty unless there is an assurance the death penalty will not be carried out," he told the BBC.

"This a unilateral change of policy without any consultation and I would be amazed if this had been approved explicitly by the prime minister."

 

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If these two English IS bro are extradited to be tried in the states, Sajid Javid  said he won't seek any assurances about them not getting the death penalty. It's a change is stance since previous has always been the opposite.

 

It's started a big debate about whether we should bring back capital punishment. 

 

Personally I don't agree with it. I don't think anyone has the right to take away someones life, whether it's claimed to be just or not. 

 

Anyone here in favour of bring it back, and if yes or no for what reasons?

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These man plotted death of civilian, took part in their deranged version of jihad. If they're true to the cause, let them have it. Gabos. 

I think the bigger punishment for these lot is to be shown their misguided ways and let them live with that regret in prison.

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The death penalty is uncivilised and belongs in the stone age

This is a blatant act of passive aggression by the UK 

 

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..no-one will be getting extradited to were the death penalty is still in affect 

I do think the death penalty should be brought back for some serious disturbing crimes 

Not war crimes 

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Yes.

 

Previously I would have said no but you've got guys running around spraying 3 year olds with acid and attacking OAP's on mopeds.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, NORA BATTY said:

..no-one will be getting extradited to were the death penalty is still in affect 

I do think the death penalty should be brought back for some serious disturbing crimes 

Not war crimes 

They've been stripped of their British citizenship so boy, it could happen.

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It's all semantics to me tbh

Niggas die everyday b

The criminal justice system here kills people here legally

As do criminal justice systems around the world

The mechanics and reasons behind how or why it happens may differ but the end result is the same

It is what it is

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Is the one on the left Benjamin AD (rapper)? 

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bringing back capital punishment isn't gonna deter these people from committing such acts

don't turn them into martyrs 

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On 7/27/2018 at 10:12 PM, Seth Rollins said:

Death is the easy way out. Let them do LIFE.

This. They need to be punished in a way that embarrasses them.

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On 7/27/2018 at 9:12 PM, Seth Rollins said:

Death is the easy way out. Let them do LIFE.

 

On 7/29/2018 at 2:50 PM, dub said:

bringing back capital punishment isn't gonna deter these people from committing such acts

don't turn them into martyrs 

 

basically

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Never been keen on capital punishment as too many innocent people have been executed so best thing is life in jail and a chance of getting out if wrongly convicted.

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