RELIGION

[i_Break_Ankles]

some people believe in God but not religion

Nearly everyone ive spoke to in the last 3 years believes this lol

Yea, that's kinda my position these days. I'm confident there's something out there, but as for organised religion...LLOW IT!

[juju]

i dont give a f*ck how neeky im gon sound but do any of you know anything about philosophy, sociology, evolutionary biology or even theology? if not i beg u read up a bit it will do u some good+lock this thread

explain

because im seeing bare crass generalisations by ppl who i can only assume havent read a lot about these subjects which imo u need to have some kind of understanding about if ur gona have a worthwile debate about religionas far as im concerned i believe that in the 21st century all rational thinking ppl should recognise that religion is absurd and backwards. it's statements like 'religion is the cause of all wars' 'religion is the root of all evil' 'religious ppl are sheep' etc etc etc that get me vex. disclaimer: i go church every sunday

"religion is the cause of all wars" and "religion is the root off all evil" are stupid statements, the sheep comment does make sense but it just sounds offensive, but it does make sense and you know it

it's any idiotic statement, from reading this thread i could just as easily say 'all atheists are sheep' and it would be equally true. anyways i was just using that as a example of what ppl say about religion i didnt mean that quote specifically

Atheists arent sheep, we only look like sheep when we explain why we don't like religion, because we all more or less say the same thing.In fact dont call me Atheist, i dont like it lol, its not a religion it doesnt need a name

what im sayin tho, religious ppl might look at atheists and say sutin like 'atheists are all sheep' same way a atheist says 'religious ppl are sheep', dumb statements either way, anyway this isnt the point ive been trying to make so lets leave it at that

[VENOM]

some people believe in God but not religion

Nearly everyone ive spoke to in the last 3 years believes this lol

Yea, that's kinda my position these days. I'm confident there's something out there, but as for organised religion...LLOW IT!

which is why its better NOT to beleive in any god or beleive in one fully. how can you beleive in god and discard religion when a 'god' is only associated with a religion? thats the dumbest, mosty ludicrous belief of all. ang tite those who will beat there chests and say there is no god, than the pussys who want to beleive "just in case" but dont want the religion associated with the god.d*ckheads

[Train]

My opinion as of 29/12/2007. Although a year ago I believed it more, and a year before that, even more. Next year, who knows. Religion is one of the many tools used as part of the superstructure of society to make the lower classes feel a sense insubordinance to soemthing which then prepares them for insubordinance later in life. It can also be used to make uneducated people feel that dogmatic reasoning is a sufficiant and rational explaination for facts of life, thus causing them to lack the inquizitive nature they were born with, and which would arguably help them out later in life, hence them lacking a natural, helpful and important make up of being a successful human being and person. Its also used as a control mechanism and to make individuals fatalistic and lazy in nature.

[Reggie]

topics done

[Ashman.]

IMO none of them are right..Your faith is between you and God not you, harry, sally, trevor and wilson.

[juju]

My opinion as of 29/12/2007. Although a year ago I believed it more, and a year before that, even more. Next year, who knows. Religion is one of the many tools used as part of the superstructure of society to make the lower classes feel a sense insubordinance to soemthing which then prepares them for insubordinance later in life. It can also be used to make uneducated people feel that dogmatic reasoning is a sufficiant and rational explaination for facts of life, thus causing them to lack the inquizitive nature they were born with, and which would arguably help them out later in life, hence them lacking a natural, helpful and important make up of being a successful human being and person. Its also used as a control mechanism and to make individuals fatalistic and lazy in nature.

see when i was 15 i woulda co signed all of this but ask yourself has any of what u say been borne out by experience? in the uk for the last twenty years AT THE VERY LEAST religion has had minimal influence and yet if anything the lot of the poor and uneducated has got worse* imo fatalistic lazy uninquisitive irrational people remain fatalistic lazy uninquisitive and irrational with or without religion and it isnt religion that made them that way....*thats a overly simplified statement to make i know but f*ck it im not articulate enuf to make a persuasive argument off the top of my head...

[Ashman.]

My opinion as of 29/12/2007. Although a year ago I believed it more, and a year before that, even more. Next year, who knows. Religion is one of the many tools used as part of the superstructure of society to make the lower classes feel a sense insubordinance to soemthing which then prepares them for insubordinance later in life. It can also be used to make uneducated people feel that dogmatic reasoning is a sufficiant and rational explaination for facts of life, thus causing them to lack the inquizitive nature they were born with, and which would arguably help them out later in life, hence them lacking a natural, helpful and important make up of being a successful human being and person. Its also used as a control mechanism and to make individuals fatalistic and lazy in nature.

see when i was 15 i woulda co signed all of this but ask yourself has any of what u say been borne out by experience? in the uk for the last twenty years AT THE VERY LEAST religion has had minimal influence and yet if anything the lot of the poor and uneducated has got worse* imo fatalistic lazy uninquisitive irrational people remain fatalistic lazy uninquisitive and irrational with or without religion and it isnt religion that made them that way....*thats a overly simplified statement to make i know but f*ck it im not articulate enuf to make a persuasive argument off the top of my head...

You know in real life you breddas ain't using them words there.. your just typing smart..In real life its "was up cuzz.. pass me that zoot" "yeah boss wah gwarn gee"

[juju]

My opinion as of 29/12/2007. Although a year ago I believed it more, and a year before that, even more. Next year, who knows. Religion is one of the many tools used as part of the superstructure of society to make the lower classes feel a sense insubordinance to soemthing which then prepares them for insubordinance later in life. It can also be used to make uneducated people feel that dogmatic reasoning is a sufficiant and rational explaination for facts of life, thus causing them to lack the inquizitive nature they were born with, and which would arguably help them out later in life, hence them lacking a natural, helpful and important make up of being a successful human being and person. Its also used as a control mechanism and to make individuals fatalistic and lazy in nature.

see when i was 15 i woulda co signed all of this but ask yourself has any of what u say been borne out by experience? in the uk for the last twenty years AT THE VERY LEAST religion has had minimal influence and yet if anything the lot of the poor and uneducated has got worse* imo fatalistic lazy uninquisitive irrational people remain fatalistic lazy uninquisitive and irrational with or without religion and it isnt religion that made them that way....*thats a overly simplified statement to make i know but f*ck it im not articulate enuf to make a persuasive argument off the top of my head...

You know in real life you breddas ain't using them words there.. your just typing smart..In real life its "was up cuzz.. pass me that zoot" "yeah boss wah gwarn gee"

dun kno

[PROFESSOR JOHN SMITH]

EITHER THAT OR THEY MUST BE WHITE.YOU DONT GET BLACK PEOPLE SPEAKING DEM BIG WORDS.

[Ashman.]

EITHER THAT OR THEY MUST BE WHITE.YOU DONT GET BLACK PEOPLE SPEAKING DEM BIG WORDS.

True. Unless you are Trevor McDonald or Derrick from Big Brother.

[Train]

My opinion as of 29/12/2007. Although a year ago I believed it more, and a year before that, even more. Next year, who knows. Religion is one of the many tools used as part of the superstructure of society to make the lower classes feel a sense insubordinance to soemthing which then prepares them for insubordinance later in life. It can also be used to make uneducated people feel that dogmatic reasoning is a sufficiant and rational explaination for facts of life, thus causing them to lack the inquizitive nature they were born with, and which would arguably help them out later in life, hence them lacking a natural, helpful and important make up of being a successful human being and person. Its also used as a control mechanism and to make individuals fatalistic and lazy in nature.

see when i was 15 i woulda co signed all of this but ask yourself has any of what u say been borne out by experience? in the uk for the last twenty years AT THE VERY LEAST religion has had minimal influence and yet if anything the lot of the poor and uneducated has got worse* imo fatalistic lazy uninquisitive irrational people remain fatalistic lazy uninquisitive and irrational with or without religion and it isnt religion that made them that way....*thats a overly simplified statement to make i know but f*ck it im not articulate enuf to make a persuasive argument off the top of my head...

Yep, which is why I havnt had this discussion with anyone after year one of my A Levels. Nar, I agree with what your saying still. Basically, I believe thats true, on a global level. On a domestic level, its nothing init. Same as other issues such as racism and such.

[Mr Q]

IMO none of them are right..Your faith is between you and God not you, harry, sally, trevor and wilson.

Yeah this is how i think religion should be, but its all been distorted by humans and now its f*cked up.

[Train]

EITHER THAT OR THEY MUST BE WHITE.YOU DONT GET BLACK PEOPLE SPEAKING DEM BIG WORDS.

True. Unless you are Trevor McDonald or Derrick from Big Brother.

You actually logged into your other account to say that lol. And theres no big words there wtf. What Juju and I are saying is kinda basic still. If Gray Fox was ere hed rip me to pieces for saying some of that still lol. Says more about you that you think that thats advanced.

[PROFESSOR JOHN SMITH]

EITHER THAT OR THEY MUST BE WHITE.YOU DONT GET BLACK PEOPLE SPEAKING DEM BIG WORDS.

True. Unless you are Trevor McDonald or Derrick from Big Brother.

TREVOR MCDONALD, NOW HES A DIFFERENT KETTLE OF FISH. HES ONE OF DEM PPL THAT ARE ABIT SNOBBY.

[juju]

lol @ cussing us for using big words when we're actually contributing to his own thread. this guy...lol @ me being whiteANOTHER THING@mr nice guy with respect to ur last post in the last twenty years society media education EVERYTHING in britain has been dumbed down anti intellectualism is everywhere at the same time church attendance is falling and less and less people know even the slightest bit about the bible, WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU??edit i didnt read the above 4 posts yet gimme time, lolre edit ok i made a proper mess of this post...im not saying that decline in faith has led to dumbing down of society what im saying is that if religion is there to keep people 'dumb' (u know what i mean long writing it all out) why hasnt the decline in faith caused a rise in intellectuallism? what ur saying about global/domestic levels doesnt apply here

[Ashman.]

IMO none of them are right..Your faith is between you and God not you, harry, sally, trevor and wilson.

Yeah this is how i think religion should be, but its all been distorted by humans and now its f*cked up.

They would like to argue on the fact that because you believe in certain things they do, they want you to be catorgorized as one of them. I like to keep my relationship between me and God.Yes I have had Catholic upbringing and influences however, I feel that in the end God ain't gonna ask you what religion you follow like the Muslims like to put it.. he will simply ask you do you accept he is God.

[Ashman.]

Ang tight the idiots that still think me and John Smith is the same person.

[Humble]

EITHER THAT OR THEY MUST BE WHITE.YOU DONT GET BLACK PEOPLE SPEAKING DEM BIG WORDS.

EITHER THAT OR THEY MUST BE WHITE.YOU DONT GET BLACK PEOPLE SPEAKING DEM BIG WORDS.

True. Unless you are Trevor McDonald or Derrick from Big Brother.

Stupid comments.Shoulda expected a comment like this from a lazy benefit cheat

[PROFESSOR JOHN SMITH]

Religion is one of the many tools used as part of the superstructure of society to make the lower classes feel a sense insubordinance to soemthing which then prepares them for insubordinance later in life. It can also be used to make uneducated people feel that dogmatic reasoning is a sufficiant and rational explaination for facts of life, thus causing them to lack the inquizitive nature they were born with, and which would arguably help them out later in life, hence them lacking a natural, helpful and important make up of being a successful human being and person. Its also used as a control mechanism and to make individuals fatalistic and lazy in nature.

WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR THIS? OR IS THIS JUST YOUR GUESS?

[PROFESSOR JOHN SMITH]

IMO none of them are right..Your faith is between you and God not you, harry, sally, trevor and wilson.

Yeah this is how i think religion should be, but its all been distorted by humans and now its f*cked up.

They would like to argue on the fact that because you believe in certain things they do, they want you to be catorgorized as one of them. I like to keep my relationship between me and God.Yes I have had Catholic upbringing and influences however, I feel that in the end God ain't gonna ask you what religion you follow like the Muslims like to put it.. he will simply ask you do you accept he is God.

YOU CAN KEEP YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD HOWEVER, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT YOU DO NOT LIKE TO BE LABELLED A CHRISTIAN? THAT IS CONTRADICTORY. YOU EITHER ARE OR AREN'T A CHRISTIAN.PERIOD.<>JOHN SMITH<>

[Reggie]

My opinion as of 29/12/2007. Although a year ago I believed it more, and a year before that, even more. Next year, who knows. Religion is one of the many tools used as part of the superstructure of society to make the lower classes feel a sense insubordinance to soemthing which then prepares them for insubordinance later in life. It can also be used to make uneducated people feel that dogmatic reasoning is a sufficiant and rational explaination for facts of life, thus causing them to lack the inquizitive nature they were born with, and which would arguably help them out later in life, hence them lacking a natural, helpful and important make up of being a successful human being and person. Its also used as a control mechanism and to make individuals fatalistic and lazy in nature.

see when i was 15 i woulda co signed all of this but ask yourself has any of what u say been borne out by experience? in the uk for the last twenty years AT THE VERY LEAST religion has had minimal influence and yet if anything the lot of the poor and uneducated has got worse* imo fatalistic lazy uninquisitive irrational people remain fatalistic lazy uninquisitive and irrational with or without religion and it isnt religion that made them that way....*thats a overly simplified statement to make i know but f*ck it im not articulate enuf to make a persuasive argument off the top of my head...

You know in real life you breddas ain't using them words there.. your just typing smart..In real life its "was up cuzz.. pass me that zoot" "yeah boss wah gwarn gee"

dun kno

95% wrong (for me anyway) and im black, llow trying to say that all black kids talk like that cos they dontdont be angry if you speak like u have brain damage

[i_Break_Ankles]

IMO none of them are right..Your faith is between you and God not you, harry, sally, trevor and wilson.

Yeah this is how i think religion should be, but its all been distorted by humans and now its f*cked up.

They would like to argue on the fact that because you believe in certain things they do, they want you to be catorgorized as one of them. I like to keep my relationship between me and God.Yes I have had Catholic upbringing and influences however, I feel that in the end God ain't gonna ask you what religion you follow like the Muslims like to put it.. he will simply ask you do you accept he is God.

EXACTLYPeople should just watch themselves still

[Reggie]

was about to sign out but ashman's ignorance just hit me, black people can speak properly u idiot

[Train]

lol @ cussing us for using big words when we're actually contributing to his own thread. this guy...lol @ me being whiteANOTHER THING@mr nice guy with respect to ur last post in the last twenty years society media education EVERYTHING in britain has been dumbed down anti intellectualism is everywhere at the same time church attendance is falling and less and less people know even the slightest bit about the bible, WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU??edit i didnt read the above 4 posts yet gimme time, lolre edit ok i made a proper mess of this post...im not saying that decline in faith has led to dumbing down of society what im saying is that if religion is there to keep people 'dumb' (u know what i mean long writing it all out) why hasnt the decline in faith caused a rise in intellectuallism? what ur saying about global/domestic levels doesnt apply here

Your presuming secularisation is taking place, when its debatable if infact it is. Also, even if it is, im not saying people are meant to be smarter when religion is in deline, im saying religion causes lower classes to feel theres nothing they can do regarding their station in life as they are putting all their faith in religion/god or something else they cant control.