calls for more black people 2 be searched

[Guest Radio Raheem]

I do agree with face off, wanting your family to feel safe on road, and the majority of knife/gun carriers in london are black. I been searched a few times and never had anything on me, its annoying but its nothing really when they are taking knifes ans gun off the street that would be used to murder someone.

[o-guy]

woooow. brainwashed 2 the maximum. the government LOVE people like you. Love ya

thats where ya wrong they hate people like me as ill challenge their motives with a stance many of you couldnt comprehend (maybe cap cap and gray fox could though)

what does that even mean, a "stance you couldn't even comprehend", but anywho allow the bread we're all taking part in this conversation therefore we are all at least adequately intelligent, so once again allow the bread.Back on topicBe4 you were talking about searching someone in a hoody on the basis that they have a nice phone thus its probably stolen (ignorant and most often than not foolish thinking), i wasn't arguing the case about black boys getting searched, so your previous statement in regards to my previous statement is irrelevant.But the fact that your talking about your sons safty who is probably younger than 6, when its teenagers that are getting stabed shows that your not looking at this objectively, and your letting your views (or the governments if u ask me) on black boys cloud yur vision of the reality of the situation.IT IS WRONG TO SINGLE OUT ANY TYPE OF PEOPLE BASED ON RACE ETHNICITY OR GENDERWHETHER IT WILL WORK OR NOT IS NT THE ISSUE. I'M SURE IF I KILLED ALL MUSLIMS THERE WULD BE NO MORE MUSLIM TERROPRIST ATTACKS(if u believe in that bull).Your letting your fear of your sons well being to be exploited so the government to infridge apon basic human rights.and i dnt need to come up with better government policies and legislature ITS NT MY JOB, its good enough that i just shoot dwn the bullshit oneslike this oneand contrary to your beliefs the gov doesn't fear or dislike people like you. It counts on them.

[Hotep]

its cool fam i know who you are now so far you have NOT given a response to what should be done as an alternative the concept of stop and search is the ONLY suggestion bought to the tableif you have a better one im ALL EARS cos anything is better but if there is NOTHINGwhat can one dooh yeah i think we have methttp://www.vip2.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=20630topic done really

The link made no sense. Atall.And 2 b honest i really dont have THE solution. Other than revolution. No seriosly If they wanted 2 get some bnp skinheads to dress up in nice law enforcing clothes, maybe stick a badge on them and then send them out to do stop and searches how would you react? The police are the biggest gang on road. They create more problems than solutions.

[FACE OFF BEYOND]

woooow. brainwashed 2 the maximum. the government LOVE people like you. Love ya

thats where ya wrong they hate people like me as ill challenge their motives with a stance many of you couldnt comprehend (maybe cap cap and gray fox could though)

what does that even mean, a "stance you couldn't even comprehend", but anywho allow the bread we're all taking part in this conversation therefore we are all at least adequately intelligent, so once again allow the (A)bread.Back on topicBe4 you were talking about searching someone in a hoody on the basis that they have a nice phone thus its probably stolen (ignorant and most often than not foolish thinking), i wasn't arguing the case about black boys getting searched, so your previous statement in regards to my previous (B)statement is irrelevant.But the fact that your talking about your sons safty who is probably ©younger than 6, when its teenagers that are getting stabed shows that your not looking at this objectively, and your letting your views (or the governments if u ask me) on black boys cloud yur vision of the reality of the situation.(D)IT IS WRONG TO SINGLE OUT ANY TYPE OF PEOPLE BASED ON RACE ETHNICITY OR GENDERWHETHER IT WILL WORK OR NOT IS NT THE ISSUE. I'M SURE IF I KILLED ALL MUSLIMS THERE WULD BE NO MORE MUSLIM TERROPRIST ATTACKS(if u believe in that bull).(E)Your letting your fear of your sons well being to be exploited so the government to infridge apon basic human rights.(F)and i dnt need to come up with better government policies and legislature ITS NT MY JOB, its good enough that i just shoot dwn the bullshit oneslike this oneand contrary to your beliefs the gov doesn't fear or dislike people like you. It counts on them.

a) THERE IS NO BREADINGB.) NOTHING IN THIS THREAD IS IRRELEVENT SO COME OFF YOUR PEDALSTOOL EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD HAS MADE GOOD POINTS EVERYONEc) HE IS NINE NEXT YEAR AND THE KID WHOS PHONE GOT STOLEN WHEN HIS DAD HEAD BUT THAT YUTE (SEE TOPIC ABOVE) WAS 11 AND MY COUSIN WHO CAME MY HOUSE AFTER GETTING ROBBED AS HE WAS ON THE WAY TO MINE GOT HIS PHONE STOLEN IS 14 AND MY OTHER COUSIN WHO IS 16 GOT HIS PHONE AND IPOD STOLEN BY KNIFEPOINT ALL OF WHICH HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 2 MONTHSd) THE ASSUMPTIONS DONT COME OUT OF NOWHEREe) WELL THAT IS OBVIOUS IM A FATHER FOR GOD SAKE WHAT DO YOU EXPECT DUH DUHf) your right but you dont need to get VEX at views like mine that hit home cos its real

[bane]

if the police really wanted to stop kids using guns and knifes then they should stop bringing guns to the country in the first place and stop going to war making it look alright to use weapons instead of sorting problems verbally you have to teach them this from a young age instead giving them shooting games and glamorizing war...more stop and searching is just going to make the division even greater and then one day when a kid gets tired of being searched every week he will just get arrested for retaliating...it really is people like you who keep the system running they depend on you something happens they bring in more police abuse there power and people like you think ah yeah great idea im more safe now when you was fine until they caused the thing to happen in the fist place....so if your son got stopped regularly for no reason other then being black you would be ok with that because it might stop him from being stabbed....if someone is going to attack someone they will do it regardless of risking getting stopped or searched....we live in a world were you are grouped on your appearance and there is a stereotype for nearly every person...the system just takes the piss out of people like us and most people don't mind getting pissed on....they already have cctv everywhere and passports and oyster cards and phone chips and registration pates soon there will be chips put inside our bodies and we will be giving id cards and there will be even more police on the streets and they will use even more violence and people wont be able to do anything about it because it will be to late...went a bit off-topic but still had to be said..

[Guest Radio Raheem]

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[FACE OFF BEYOND]

if the police really wanted to stop kids using guns and knifes then they should stop bringing guns to the country in the first place and stop going to war making it look alright to use weapons instead of sorting problems verbally you have to teach them this from a young age instead giving them shooting games and glamorizing war...more stop and searching is just going to make the division even greater and then one day when a kid gets tired of being searched every week he will just get arrested for retaliating...it really is people like you who keep the system running they depend on you something happens they bring in more police abuse there power and people like you think ah yeah great idea im more safe now when you was fine until they caused the thing to happen in the fist place....so if your son got stopped regularly for no reason other then being black you would be ok with that because it might stop him from being stabbed....if someone is going to attack someone they will do it regardless of risking getting stopped or searched....we live in a world were you are grouped on your appearance and there is a stereotype for nearly every person...the system just takes the piss out of people like us and most people don't mind getting pissed on....they already have cctv everywhere and passports and oyster cards and phone chips and registration pates soon there will be chips put inside our bodies and we will be giving id cards and there will be even more police on the streets and they will use even more violence and people wont be able to do anything about it because it will be to late...went a bit off-topic but still had to be said..

okay so how does me not thinking the way i do help ME or the saftey of my kidsif i could approach shotters or man on the roads on a level and say leave my kids out of this i would and back in the day this was not hard back in the days when my age group was growing up our parents KNEW the levels and them same road man HAD moralsTHEY DONT HAVE MORALS NOW (back in the day your mum knew bad man but bad man had respect for elders and women with kids look it up cos its not a lie) in them times there were COMMUNITIES of black people that DIDNT SNITCHDIDNT DO THEIR f*ckRY ROUND KIDSDIDNT EVEN CONTEMPLATE DOING DIRT ROUND ELDERS now these ROAD GUYS are bussin shots round kids and doing the devils work to the point that it benefits not even themselves and these are the people im supposed to confide in rather than fedswhat choices are they giving me as a parentif there was a bit more moral ethics in the people that the police are looking for the community would be behind them a lot more FACT

[o-guy]

woooow. brainwashed 2 the maximum. the government LOVE people like you. Love ya

thats where ya wrong they hate people like me as ill challenge their motives with a stance many of you couldnt comprehend (maybe cap cap and gray fox could though)

what does that even mean, a "stance you couldn't even comprehend", but anywho allow the bread we're all taking part in this conversation therefore we are all at least adequately intelligent, so once again allow the bread.Back on topicBe4 you were talking about searching someone in a hoody on the basis that they have a nice phone thus its probably stolen (ignorant and most often than not foolish thinking), i wasn't arguing the case about black boys getting searched, so your previous statement in regards to my previous statement is irrelevant.But the fact that your talking about your sons safty who is probably younger than 6, when its teenagers that are getting stabed shows that your not looking at this objectively, and your letting your views (or the governments if u ask me) on black boys cloud yur vision of the reality of the situation.IT IS WRONG TO SINGLE OUT ANY TYPE OF PEOPLE BASED ON RACE ETHNICITY OR GENDERWHETHER IT WILL WORK OR NOT IS NT THE ISSUE. I'M SURE IF I KILLED ALL MUSLIMS THERE WULD BE NO MORE MUSLIM TERROPRIST ATTACKS(if u believe in that bull).Your letting your fear of your sons well being to be exploited so the government to infridge apon basic human rights.and i dnt need to come up with better government policies and legislature ITS NT MY JOB, its good enough that i just shoot dwn the bullshit oneslike this oneand contrary to your beliefs the gov doesn't fear or dislike people like you. It counts on them.

a) THERE IS NO BREADINGB.) NOTHING IN THIS THREAD IS IRRELEVENT SO COME OFF YOUR PEDALSTOOL EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD HAS MADE GOOD POINTS EVERYONEc) HE IS NINE NEXT YEAR AND THE KID WHOS PHONE GOT STOLEN WHEN HIS DAD HEAD BUT THAT YUTE (SEE TOPIC ABOVE) WAS 11d) THE ASSUMPTIONS DONT COME OUT OF NOWHEREe) WELL THAT IS OBVIOUS IM A FATHER FOR GOD SAKE WHAT DO YOU EXPECT DUH DUHf) your right but you dont need to get VEX at views like mine that hit home cos its real

i ment irrelevent in regards to what i said, not in generaland i'm nt vex, i welcome all arguments and veiws that are different to mineThe best part of an argument is wen someone changes your way views and opinions, making you that little bit better.

[Black Casper]

if the police really wanted to stop kids using guns and knifes then they should stop bringing guns to the country in the first place and stop going to war making it look alright to use weapons instead of sorting problems verbally you have to teach them this from a young age instead giving them shooting games and glamorizing war

more stop and searching is just going to make the division even greater and then one day when a kid gets tired of being searched every week he will just get arrested for retaliating

I know what you mean by this, but talking thro certain issues never work these days, whenever problems can actually be sorted verbally, they use force, cause in their minds it get things done alot quicker. Theres always theories floating about as to why the government lets the influx of guns continue, one of the reasons was said in Ross Kemp on gangs, the bre said "the government wants us to fight amongst each other"...even though its another theory...who knows why the government aint stern enough on this particular subjectI agree with the stop and searching creating a much bigger division too, but with things the way they are now, this is not likely to die down anytime soon

[o-guy]

if the police really wanted to stop kids using guns and knifes then they should stop bringing guns to the country in the first place and stop going to war making it look alright to use weapons instead of sorting problems verbally you have to teach them this from a young age instead giving them shooting games and glamorizing war...more stop and searching is just going to make the division even greater and then one day when a kid gets tired of being searched every week he will just get arrested for retaliating...it really is people like you who keep the system running they depend on you something happens they bring in more police abuse there power and people like you think ah yeah great idea im more safe now when you was fine until they caused the thing to happen in the fist place....so if your son got stopped regularly for no reason other then being black you would be ok with that because it might stop him from being stabbed....if someone is going to attack someone they will do it regardless of risking getting stopped or searched....we live in a world were you are grouped on your appearance and there is a stereotype for nearly every person...the system just takes the piss out of people like us and most people don't mind getting pissed on....they already have cctv everywhere and passports and oyster cards and phone chips and registration pates soon there will be chips put inside our bodies and we will be giving id cards and there will be even more police on the streets and they will use even more violence and people wont be able to do anything about it because it will be to late...went a bit off-topic but still had to be said..

sum next mix of the bible and marxisma bit ova the top dnt ya think?

[bane]

if the police really wanted to stop kids using guns and knifes then they should stop bringing guns to the country in the first place and stop going to war making it look alright to use weapons instead of sorting problems verbally you have to teach them this from a young age instead giving them shooting games and glamorizing war...more stop and searching is just going to make the division even greater and then one day when a kid gets tired of being searched every week he will just get arrested for retaliating...it really is people like you who keep the system running they depend on you something happens they bring in more police abuse there power and people like you think ah yeah great idea im more safe now when you was fine until they caused the thing to happen in the fist place....so if your son got stopped regularly for no reason other then being black you would be ok with that because it might stop him from being stabbed....if someone is going to attack someone they will do it regardless of risking getting stopped or searched....we live in a world were you are grouped on your appearance and there is a stereotype for nearly every person...the system just takes the piss out of people like us and most people don't mind getting pissed on....they already have cctv everywhere and passports and oyster cards and phone chips and registration pates soon there will be chips put inside our bodies and we will be giving id cards and there will be even more police on the streets and they will use even more violence and people wont be able to do anything about it because it will be to late...went a bit off-topic but still had to be said..

okay so how does me not thinking the way i do help ME or the saftey of my kidsif i could approach shotters or man on the roads on a level and say leave my kids out of this i would and back in the day this was not hard back in the days when my age group was growing up our parents KNEW the levels and them same road man HAD moralsTHEY DONT HAVE MORALS NOW (back in the day your mum knew bad man but bad man had respect for elders and women with kids look it up cos its not a lie) in them times there were COMMUNITIES of black people that DIDNT SNITCHDIDNT DO THEIR f*ckRY ROUND KIDSDIDNT EVEN CONTEMPLATE DOING DIRT ROUND ELDERS now these ROAD GUYS are bussin shots round kids and doing the devils work to the point that it benefits not even themselves and these are the people im supposed to confide in rather than fedswhat choices are they giving me as a parentif there was a bit more moral ethics in the people that the police are looking for the community would be behind them a lot more FACT

but why do you think these ROAD GUYS are going round with guns and selling drugs. you dont just wake up and think ah yeah im going to start dealing crack and i will duppy a few people on the wayits what they are exposed to when they are bought up as children which effects them in there later teensif you are thrown on an estate with lots of other poor families then there is a more likely chance of crime being commited because they will go out of there estate oneday and see children walking around with psps and phones which they wont haveits down to parents to teach morals or even the society your are raised in to many nowadays only care for themselves which i understand the police have the power to chance things but they dont

[o-guy]

if the police really wanted to stop kids using guns and knifes then they should stop bringing guns to the country in the first place and stop going to war making it look alright to use weapons instead of sorting problems verbally you have to teach them this from a young age instead giving them shooting games and glamorizing war

more stop and searching is just going to make the division even greater and then one day when a kid gets tired of being searched every week he will just get arrested for retaliating

I agree with the stop and searching creating a much bigger division too, but with things the way they are now, this is not likely to die down anytime soon

exactlythis division is what so many people are ignoring, policies that are openly stating that the police will activly go out their way to search BLACK boys, slows down the progress of our race. It promotes a difference in race thus a seperation, and anyone that studied the civil rights movement in america can tell you the idea of seperate but equal does nt work. we are being singled out from the rest of society, as a people that need greater regulation than the rest.DOES THAT SOUND FAIR TO YOU

[bane]

if the police really wanted to stop kids using guns and knifes then they should stop bringing guns to the country in the first place and stop going to war making it look alright to use weapons instead of sorting problems verbally you have to teach them this from a young age instead giving them shooting games and glamorizing war

more stop and searching is just going to make the division even greater and then one day when a kid gets tired of being searched every week he will just get arrested for retaliating

I know what you mean by this, but talking thro certain issues never work these days, whenever problems can actually be sorted verbally, they use force, cause in their minds it get things done alot quicker. Theres always theories floating about as to why the government lets the influx of guns continue, one of the reasons was said in Ross Kemp on gangs, the bre said "the government wants us to fight amongst each other"...even though its another theory...who knows why the government aint stern enough on this particular subjectand I agree with the stop and searching creating a much bigger division too, but with things the way they are now, this is not likely to die down anytime soon

yeah the reason talking doesn't work is because it is not the easy option if the world leaders cant settle a fued with words then what is example is that setting for the worlds people they will just think talking don't walk tony blair didnt talk with ____ so why should i talk to ____ when i can just go run up in his drum and blast off half of his headtopthe people have to fight as one to break free from the chain instead of fighting each othershows like sweet16 with kids having 1000s of pound to spend of stuff is just going to make children think why cant i have that so they decide they want that and turn to crime because they know school is pointless unless you want to live life like a slave instead of earning money yourselfwhy are children going to go school and then stack shelves in tesco when they could be shotting and earning serious money

[FACE OFF BEYOND]

ill make this solemnly clearif you aint my family or i dont know you i dont care about you so if you get stop and searched or even beat down i still dont care cos i dont know you im sure some of you would say its okay to see a man get beat down and do NOTHING yet its not okay if they get beat down by feds if you dont care bout the person why should you carei think like this cos i know you dont care bout me or my fam or my peoplethe day i see more unity within my people ill back you to the fullestmy concern is for my family and no one elseEND OF

its down to parents to teach morals or even the society your are raised in to many nowadays only care for themselves which i understand the police have the power to chance things but they dont

just like we dont HAVE TO care bout the feds they dont have to care bout US we have to care bout us FIRSTBUT WE DONTand that is the route of the problem

[FACE OFF BEYOND]

some brothers in here are LOST. however im not surprised reading some of their previous posts, come like they was born in the wrong skin

brothers lmfaoooooooooolike any one of the brothers HERE care about you i dare you to run infront of a bus and see the same man run in ya pockets and say they dont know what happenedusing the term brothers at a time like this is just pathetic fam its like you ran out of things to say.

[Carpe_Deum]

some people need to read thishttp://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn41..._n19016807/pg_1it talks about the true numbers of gun/knife crime. some highlightsYesterday, a 14-year-old wounded in a drive-by shooting last week was released from hospital, This prompted Tony Blair to speak out last week, claiming the spate of murders in London was not being caused by poverty, but by a distinctive black culture. In 2004-05, there were 78 fatal shootings in England and Wales. Of these, 40 of the victims were white, 25 black, seven Asian. The figures do not record the ethnicity of the killers but, by and large, murderers tend mostly to target members of their own ethnic group. In 2005-06, there were 50 fatal shootings. Eighteen victims were white, 19 black and four Asian. That same year, 351 black people were injured by guns. For whites, injuries totalled 2,952. The statistics confirm that the problem of gun crime is not unique to the black community, but they provide stark evidence that the black community is over-represented to a frightening degreecos it seems some people have surrendered to the claim that most of the people who carry knives are going to be black, as with guns.

[TAKE HEED]

need to show these stats 2 my mum, shes dere thinkin its mostly blacks who r on dis strap an shank tingnot takin dem figures for gospel but i know dere is as much of a problem for whites as dere is for blacks in terms of strap an shank violence

[DINKY]

its like I have always said onece u spread it out nation wide and the statistics basically equal themselfs out it aint really a black problem its a problem

[O.Man]

some d*ckhead guy barefaced barged me out of the way on the train just to get a seat, and then tries to cause a scene saying that i should move out the way because "hoodies like you dont deserve to sit" i wanted to punch him up there and then on the train, i was SCREWIN... but for the sake of the black people on the train, i kept my composure, i just had to tell him to stop with the stereotypes & that its people like him that make youts react in the way that they do.its not about making your whole race look like monkeys first thing in the morning

thats the most boyage you couldv'e done him, in his eyes he got put in his place by a hoodie, you've mentally scarred him for life, nice one.

[Mr. BLK]

the link isnt working for the site that has the stats on. i wanna blow it up and print it...some people need to know the numbers

[Kurtis]

some people need to read this<a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn41..._n19016807/pg_1" target="_blank">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn41..._n19016807/pg_1</a>it talks about the true numbers of gun/knife crime. some highlightsYesterday, a 14-year-old wounded in a drive-by shooting last week was released from hospital, This prompted Tony Blair to speak out last week, claiming the spate of murders in London was not being caused by poverty, but by a distinctive black culture. In 2004-05, there were 78 fatal shootings in England and Wales. Of these, 40 of the victims were white, 25 black, seven Asian. The figures do not record the ethnicity of the killers but, by and large, murderers tend mostly to target members of their own ethnic group. In 2005-06, there were 50 fatal shootings. Eighteen victims were white, 19 black and four Asian. That same year, 351 black people were injured by guns. For whites, injuries totalled 2,952. The statistics confirm that the problem of gun crime is not unique to the black community, but they provide stark evidence that the black community is over-represented to a frightening degreecos it seems some people have surrendered to the claim that most of the people who carry knives are going to be black, as with guns.

we dnt even make up 2.5% of the populationshootings shud b less than 2.5% of allbut its way beyond thatmust b an environment/mentality ting

[Kurtis]

jus been on wikipediaWhile the media has highlighted black gangs and black on black violence, it should be noted that according to the Home Office report[18], 10% of all homicide victims between 2000 and 2004 were black. Of these, 44% were murdered by non-blacks. This compares with 8% of whites murdered by non-whites.still not good enough

[DINKY]

yeah its the same in every country alot of black people are in the poverty low income sector so its likely to be the same for whites in that sector same the world over no matter race