Numero001 Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 The fact that I know the names Jimmy Mizen and Ben Kinsella but none of the others speaks volumes.Preach brother.Also, the fact that most people ignored your post also speaks volumes. This thread has shown me how little people are really contextualising this problem and instead believing the media hype. Like it or lump it, the murder rate in this country is about right for an overly capitalist country with not just a working and middle class, but also an underclass of eastern Europeans (where killing is nothing), east Africans (again, killing = nowt) and penniless, hiphop-icised black folk.Co-sign both posts. Once again, thats why I'll listen to what Ryan has to say based on race talk. Most white people just dont get it or get defensive. i just read that channel 4 website thing about their "commision" on youth violence or whatever. which isnt bad in itself even though i think the media are just as bad to blame as failed govt policies. but then i saw the people heading the commission :lol: :lol: its clear that they just dont get it. thing about UK is they try and institutionalize everything, which in turn means only a few type of people will ever get to be proper decision makers, so they fail before they even begin.2004, was listening to a radio show, and they got an officer from the LAPD who was invited by the met to exchange ideas as he was head of a crime squad that deals with LA's gangs. basically he said that after spending a week with the met and govt, "they just dont get it" and he predicted that in 4 yrs they will be talking about a much bigger problem.reason why evrything is sh*t in this countryHanding out co-signs like crimbo cards. UK are backwards and too traditional.Yeah of course you would only Jimmy and Ben the news obviously focused on them because they are white and not working class. White people in general don’t care about black people same way black people in general don’t care about white people. We don’t care if sir ben reaches the top of a mountain same way they don’t care if wiley finally got a number 1. yes we all live in the same country but we also live in very different worlds. Its only when it starts effecting them that they start to take notice coz white boys have been killing white boys all over the place its only when its not the working class people take notice very bad but true.And thats why I say black is more than colour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Larry Posted July 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Yeah of course you would only Jimmy and Ben the news obviously focused on them because they are white and not working class. White people in general don’t care about black people same way black people in general don’t care about white people. We don’t care if sir ben reaches the top of a mountain same way they don’t care if wiley finally got a number 1. yes we all live in the same country but we also live in very different worlds. Its only when it starts effecting them that they start to take notice coz white boys have been killing white boys all over the place its only when its not the working class people take notice very bad but true.the yout in sidcup was out of the blue, i aint going to lie.I was like rah, but yeah.. they highlighted it alot.. but i have to be fair.. some of the black youts have been high profiled on the news as well, spess when the familes have made bullitins on the news and that for witness to come forward.But like someone eariler said it is about education on a different levelForget bout this generation... start on the toddlers.And co sign to the person that said the goverment, commision and police aint got a clue, they dont understand.. the panel doesnt even have anyone from the road level on there panel, so they are bound to be baffled and fully grasp whats going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Somalian Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Personally how I would deal with this whole situation. I would go on a campaign blitz saying that you have until Jan 1st 2009 to hand in your weapons after that zero tolerance. If you are caught with a knife 25 years in jail. If you are caught with a gun you get 50 years straight no chance of coming out etc from the age of 12 upwards this law will apply to.It may sound harsh but that’s what zero tolerance is u can not pussyfoot around these things. Coz the guys doing the killings they can not really be helped sorry but its true. From when you are carrying a weapon u are prepared to use it only time I have done that was in beef. But u have people carrying for the hell of itAfter the amnesty is done from Jan 09 till march 09 I would get police up and down the country just to be on lock down with the stop and searches to get the message through if u carry a weapon u r gone for good so enough people who ignored the warning will go down for life sorry but those who don’t hear must feel.I would then legalize cannabis have shooting up clinics for heroin users and crack smokers so the thing is not kicked into a corner it is tackled.I will open up youth clubs everywhere and carry out events with people where the youth have to work in teams with other random youth in order to succeed because when u have nothing to do u get bored and then u can get caught up in all kind of madnessFor those aged 16 to 24 not working in education or training they will be sent to do natinal service teach them some dicipline so u will go away for 4 months train come back if u are not doing ne training education or working within 6 weeks of ur return u go back and learn some more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSnake Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 It's Natural Blad, I say more killing London is over crowded as it is/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's That Kid Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 There was another high-profile stabbing this year of a white man, too. The murder of Harry Potter "star" Robert Knox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flat Eric Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 WARGHNigga look like something out of I Am Legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's That Kid Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 I put Eduardo's question on a few other not-so-black orientated forums and got some very interesting results.Seems that it is not so clear cut as Eduardo put it, but I still side with the general sentiment of his argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero001 Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 I put Eduardo's question on a few other not-so-black orientated forums and got some very interesting results.Seems that it is not so clear cut as Eduardo put it, but I still side with the general sentiment of his argument.Like I said, white people dont understand these talks. They get defensive. Its like a man tryna understand sexismNo surprise 'cause everyone gets defensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Larry Posted July 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 All i know is that if the goverment think whats going on in the streets and how young people talk and the language they use is what was on tv last night in fall out then they have a very long way in understanding the youth of today. because the talk in that film was piss poor...what yout man on the road talks like how them yout man were talking in that film last nite... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Dott Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 This generation is f*cked. theres no going back for them, the mentaility of the yout man on road is fearless... they are a lost caused.Its the toddlers we now need to concentrate on and educate. The problem started with children having children, there were no morel, no exprience, no lived life values passed on to these thugs. No decent dicipline, no fear....(spelling mistakes, sorry inadvance)f*ck*ng cuntsc/si strongly cs a lotta your post.but IMO you cant educate these youts.if their own parents cant put the fear of god into them no-one can. the way i was shook when i was younger that my parents would find out id got into a fight or suttin trivial. these youts actual dont care.i dont even think the youth can be saved. the next batch of wronguns will be descendants of these ones. and the sad thing is kids that me and you have are likely to face a struggle to stay alive/ fight peer pressure and stay on the right path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Reality is you have to get through to these yoots because they are the next ones to have children. So whats gonna be instore for their children. How can their children have a decent chance of life if all their parents are waste people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Dott Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 The problem is finding something these kids can aspire to that is1 - Feasible2 - Legitimate3 - Requires discipline of some sort to succeed inNow, I know for a fact that if it wasn't partly for my parents, and the fact that I was good at football and on point wiht the academics, I would probably be on road up to f*ckry. Even though the football thing has falling through, I still have my academics, but I have learnt a lot fo lessons that are now the grounding for my character and principles.Basically, even if these kids don't end up succeeding in their desired area, if they have enough time to try, they will learn morals and values that will hopefully keep them off teh right path.Now it's just a case of these youts willing to try for somethin rather than taking the quick route. They need to experience and appreciate a hard working ethic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Larry Posted July 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 The problem i have when working with young people that are on the road is -Trying to get them from shotting and hussling into honest paid work.The problem is this, what job do you know that will pay them the same ammounts they are earning on the road from selling drugs etc...None realistically in a short space of time, cause really and truley thats all we have when working with them.They aint interested in any long term altunitives, thats one of the main problems right there.Goverment say they are investing in schemes and training based jobs for the young people, but they have to understand, young people want everything now, and the majorirty on the road aint going to wait 6months to a year to be earning proper money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trane Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 The problem i have when working with young people that are on the road is -Trying to get them from shotting and hussling into honest paid work.The problem is this, what job do you know that will pay them the same ammounts they are earning on the road from selling drugs etc...None realistically in a short space of time, cause really and truley thats all we have when working with them.They aint interested in any long term altunitives, thats one of the main problems right there.Goverment say they are investing in schemes and training based jobs for the young people, but they have to understand, young people want everything now, and the majorirty on the road aint going to wait 6months to a year to be earning proper money.Thats true.But why are young people concerned with making money? Theres a reason why a 15 or 14 year old isnt legally old enough to be working. Should be the last thing on their minds at that age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSnake Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 My phone bill alone makes me want to shot some charlie to some students in soho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero001 Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 The problem i have when working with young people that are on the road is -Trying to get them from shotting and hussling into honest paid work.The problem is this, what job do you know that will pay them the same ammounts they are earning on the road from selling drugs etc...None realistically in a short space of time, cause really and truley thats all we have when working with them.They aint interested in any long term altunitives, thats one of the main problems right there.Goverment say they are investing in schemes and training based jobs for the young people, but they have to understand, young people want everything now, and the majorirty on the road aint going to wait 6months to a year to be earning proper money.Thats true.But why are young people concerned with making money? Theres a reason why a 15 or 14 year old isnt legally old enough to be working. Should be the last thing on their minds at that age.out of all the 14 and 15 year old boys ive met the only ones not concerned with making money are the ones whos families are more than financially stable. (generally the white ones)now these boys make money to buy the latest sh*t, garms, jewellery cos image is everythingif u aint got the image right you will get NO opportunities in anything and be a loser.if u got ur image on point u can have everything that crosses ur path..Basically. These kids want to be that guy. To be tha guy you must have:Latest phone Garms Kicks Why? 'Cause they all want girls. Girls are the root of all evil, not money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trane Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 The problem i have when working with young people that are on the road is -Trying to get them from shotting and hussling into honest paid work.The problem is this, what job do you know that will pay them the same ammounts they are earning on the road from selling drugs etc...None realistically in a short space of time, cause really and truley thats all we have when working with them.They aint interested in any long term altunitives, thats one of the main problems right there.Goverment say they are investing in schemes and training based jobs for the young people, but they have to understand, young people want everything now, and the majorirty on the road aint going to wait 6months to a year to be earning proper money.Thats true.But why are young people concerned with making money? Theres a reason why a 15 or 14 year old isnt legally old enough to be working. Should be the last thing on their minds at that age.out of all the 14 and 15 year old boys ive met the only ones not concerned with making money are the ones whos families are more than financially stable. (generally the white ones)now these boys make money to buy the latest sh*t, garms, jewellery cos image is everythingif u aint got the image right you will get NO opportunities in anything and be a loser.if u got ur image on point u can have everything that crosses ur path.. I hope those last two lines were said in jest, I really do. If your 14, and your image aint right, then at worst youll get laughed at for a few days at school, then they will move onto the next person who aint got the right image. And at best, youll get a couple of extra numbers, a few spuds and abit of attention for a few days then people will move onto the next person who has got the right image and they will get the spuds. Having the right image at 14 isnt a life or death situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero001 Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 The problem i have when working with young people that are on the road is -Trying to get them from shotting and hussling into honest paid work.The problem is this, what job do you know that will pay them the same ammounts they are earning on the road from selling drugs etc...None realistically in a short space of time, cause really and truley thats all we have when working with them.They aint interested in any long term altunitives, thats one of the main problems right there.Goverment say they are investing in schemes and training based jobs for the young people, but they have to understand, young people want everything now, and the majorirty on the road aint going to wait 6months to a year to be earning proper money.Thats true.But why are young people concerned with making money? Theres a reason why a 15 or 14 year old isnt legally old enough to be working. Should be the last thing on their minds at that age.out of all the 14 and 15 year old boys ive met the only ones not concerned with making money are the ones whos families are more than financially stable. (generally the white ones)now these boys make money to buy the latest sh*t, garms, jewellery cos image is everythingif u aint got the image right you will get NO opportunities in anything and be a loser.if u got ur image on point u can have everything that crosses ur path.. I hope those last two lines were said in jest, I really do. If your 14, and your image aint right, then at worst youll get laughed at for a few days at school, then they will move onto the next person who aint got the right image. And at best, youll get a couple of extra numbers, a few spuds and abit of attention for a few days then people will move onto the next person who has got the right image and they will get the spuds. Having the right image at 14 isnt a life or death situation.LOL, it is. Why do you think if a boy gets punched up he goes for suttin or brings down friends? School playground is not a fickle as your saying it is. I've seen the most popular people hit the deck and become loners, which eventually led to them leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Dott Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 The problem i have when working with young people that are on the road is -Trying to get them from shotting and hussling into honest paid work.The problem is this, what job do you know that will pay them the same ammounts they are earning on the road from selling drugs etc...None realistically in a short space of time, cause really and truley thats all we have when working with them.They aint interested in any long term altunitives, thats one of the main problems right there.Goverment say they are investing in schemes and training based jobs for the young people, but they have to understand, young people want everything now, and the majorirty on the road aint going to wait 6months to a year to be earning proper money.Thats true.But why are young people concerned with making money? Theres a reason why a 15 or 14 year old isnt legally old enough to be working. Should be the last thing on their minds at that age.out of all the 14 and 15 year old boys ive met the only ones not concerned with making money are the ones whos families are more than financially stable. (generally the white ones)now these boys make money to buy the latest sh*t, garms, jewellery cos image is everythingif u aint got the image right you will get NO opportunities in anything and be a loser.if u got ur image on point u can have everything that crosses ur path.. I hope those last two lines were said in jest, I really do. If your 14, and your image aint right, then at worst youll get laughed at for a few days at school, then they will move onto the next person who aint got the right image. And at best, youll get a couple of extra numbers, a few spuds and abit of attention for a few days then people will move onto the next person who has got the right image and they will get the spuds. Having the right image at 14 isnt a life or death situation.You are saying that because we are old enough to know better. These youngers are viewing these older guys as role models because they can relate to them as quickly as possible. And image is important because it plays a part in perception. If some guys think you can't be perceived as able to look after yourself, they will do what they can further themselves ie. rep. Just because it wasn't as bad in our secondary school days doesn't mean it isn't an important point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PROFIT2 Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 The problem i have when working with young people that are on the road is -Trying to get them from shotting and hussling into honest paid work.The problem is this, what job do you know that will pay them the same ammounts they are earning on the road from selling drugs etc...None realistically in a short space of time, cause really and truley thats all we have when working with them.They aint interested in any long term altunitives, thats one of the main problems right there.Goverment say they are investing in schemes and training based jobs for the young people, but they have to understand, young people want everything now, and the majorirty on the road aint going to wait 6months to a year to be earning proper money.Thats true.But why are young people concerned with making money? Theres a reason why a 15 or 14 year old isnt legally old enough to be working. Should be the last thing on their minds at that age.out of all the 14 and 15 year old boys ive met the only ones not concerned with making money are the ones whos families are more than financially stable. (generally the white ones)now these boys make money to buy the latest sh*t, garms, jewellery cos image is everythingif u aint got the image right you will get NO opportunities in anything and be a loser.if u got ur image on point u can have everything that crosses ur path.. I hope those last two lines were said in jest, I really do. If your 14, and your image aint right, then at worst youll get laughed at for a few days at school, then they will move onto the next person who aint got the right image. And at best, youll get a couple of extra numbers, a few spuds and abit of attention for a few days then people will move onto the next person who has got the right image and they will get the spuds. Having the right image at 14 isnt a life or death situation.co sign the last post but i know wat humanity meansbut maybe someone should point out that if you sell drugs and run road with a weapon you might be nice that day and feel on top but in the long skeem of things you "will get NO opportunities in anything and be a loser"its society's fault tho...get new materialistic sh*t shoved down your throat everyday and the joke is the middle classes that are shook of the youths in question are the exact ones promoting a life where what you drive/wear/where you live determins how well you have done in life...not that im saying you shouldnt have nice things because poor people will turn to crime to achieve the same but that is basically what its all about....if you know your never getting those trainers from mummy but you see jimmy rock a diffrent pair every month then soon you will start to resent jimmy rather than concentrate on making sure your kids dont go through the same senario but true say when your young you dont think about that sh*t so tbh i do blame the parents...if you cant afford to give your child the things they want then explain that they must work hard to make sure they can have what they want when there older....but the thing about society is everything is based on the ideals that you will have two parents who love eachother and one will go work and the other will stay at home and look after the 2 perfect little angels...but what if you have one parent that doesnt work and has a drug/mental problem and there arent two angels theres 5 screaming monsters who are bieng brought up by 'olders' around them that dont know about life anyway and mr superstar rapper on the tv with all the money and bitches around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 To the person that posted Rhyan's question/statement on the other forums, post some links to them so we can see their views. *(yes i am aware that we probably know what they think, but it's interesting to see)Myabe someone can post a link of this topic on their forum see what they think of what we think. AN idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trane Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 @ Numero and Titan. Yea, I take you lots points, and perhaps I am looking at it through the eyes of a 22 year old who grew up in slightly different time then these children are and perhaps from a more secure background. But I still dont think that these young people are so obsessed with money, and are prepared to do anything for it, MERELY to get spuds in the playground. Theres more to it. Although maybe im just seeing it wrong, and to actually be popular or get credit you need to be dripping with gold or have pockets of drug money. Highly doubt it though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PROFIT2 Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 @ Numero and Titan. Yea, I take you lots points, and perhaps I am looking at it through the eyes of a 22 year old who grew up in slightly different time then these children are and perhaps from a more secure background. But I still dont think that these young people are so obsessed with money, and are prepared to do anything for it, MERELY to get spuds in the playground. Theres more to it. Although maybe im just seeing it wrong, and to actually be popular or get credit you need to be dripping with gold or have pockets of drug money. Highly doubt it thoughfor real i think people are missing the point i'd say it was more down to pier preasure and being scared of looking weakthe typical answer most guys give for carrying a knife is "protection" from who? "other kids who carry knives" one of them shook d*ckhead cycles tbhwhen your young you just wana be cool and accepted...this is the reality of todays kids feeling cool and accepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drifterman Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 OI OI STOP WID DA NOISEOI OI BULLY BARE BOIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Dott Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 @ Numero and Titan. Yea, I take you lots points, and perhaps I am looking at it through the eyes of a 22 year old who grew up in slightly different time then these children are and perhaps from a more secure background. But I still dont think that these young people are so obsessed with money, and are prepared to do anything for it, MERELY to get spuds in the playground. Theres more to it. Although maybe im just seeing it wrong, and to actually be popular or get credit you need to be dripping with gold or have pockets of drug money. Highly doubt it thoughIt's not a case of them desiring money for the sake of it. Peer pressure like someone says makes it desirable. Again, peer pressure shapes alot of people's images, and image is the foundation of someone's perception. Problem is the peer pressure has too much power over the image a youth may try and attain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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