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[Trilliam]

Guessing he is talking about rapping ability (rhyme pattern, cadence, content etc). These technical skills to me aren't subjective, when it comes to craft there's a glaring difference between Soulja Boy and Lupe Fiasco. Anyway Nas is dead to me, you can talk about maturing as an artist or whatever but there's not one person who can honestly say they'd rather listen to him talking about Egyptian sun Gods rather than say, gun handles made of porcelain.

[Guest WAVESURFER]

Guessing he is talking about rapping ability (rhyme pattern, cadence, content etc). These technical skills to me aren't subjective

Yh, but "rhyme pattern, cadence, content etc." is just an arbitrary list of criteria. How are these criteria ranked, in terms of importance or whatever? What is the "etc" in your statement? Who decides the criteria?

All that stuff is completely subjective.

[Guest Blue State Of Mind]

Guessing he is talking about rapping ability (rhyme pattern, cadence, content etc). These technical skills to me aren't subjective, when it comes to craft there's a glaring difference between Soulja Boy and Lupe Fiasco. Anyway Nas is dead to me, you can talk about maturing as an artist or whatever but there's not one person who can honestly say they'd rather listen to him talking about Egyptian sun Gods rather than say, gun handles made of porcelain.

Where does he rap about Egyptian sun gods?Lol its always funny to see the people that spew sh*t without even listening to artists, Nas has been on that Afrocentric wave from day.

First album

"Nas is like the afrocentric Asian half man half amazing"

All the way to It was written an album that contained 5 percenter themes, and I am where he had the Egyptian cover.

Please tell me where in his last album Nas talks about Egyptian sun gods, preferably find me a track which is devoted to that particular topic.

The album before last was about injustices in America to peoples of African descent again no talk of Egyptian sun gods.

[Guest Blue State Of Mind]

Guessing he is talking about rapping ability (rhyme pattern, cadence, content etc). These technical skills to me aren't subjective

Yh, but "rhyme pattern, cadence, content etc." is just an arbitrary list of criteria. How are these criteria ranked, in terms of importance or whatever? What is the "etc" in your statement? Who decides the criteria?

All that stuff is completely subjective.

How is multisyllables, Double Entredres, and rhymeschmes subjective.

Music is subjective but those elements of rap are not.

if i was to say that Eminem incorporates more compelxed rhymeschmes and multisyllabic rhyming in his rhymes than Gucci Mane this would be a FACT.

[Guest Blue State Of Mind]

I hate when people use terms like "ability" when talking about rappers, because how on earth do you quantify "ability" in this context? It's a totally subjective and unmeasurable thing.

We're talking about rap music, not a sport.

Please tell me exactly what you mean by "ability". Be as precise as possible.

When people say ability they mean technical skills.

But anyways Nas is the best out, his catalogue says it all he consistently drops albums that blows the rest of his competition out the water.

Nas is the best storyteller in rap

Nas is the best at using extended metaphors

Nas has one of the greatest catalogues in rap history.

Jay Elec, Lupe Fiasco, Joe Budden, Nas, are all doing their ting right now though.

[Guest Blue State Of Mind]

The wave was monumental before the jail term, this is not debatable.

Max going to jail was a terrible hindrance to his career.

People are just downright lying now, his popularity in London grew as a result of him going to prison, how can anyone argue that seriously.

[Guest WAVESURFER]

Guessing he is talking about rapping ability (rhyme pattern, cadence, content etc). These technical skills to me aren't subjective

Yh, but "rhyme pattern, cadence, content etc." is just an arbitrary list of criteria. How are these criteria ranked, in terms of importance or whatever? What is the "etc" in your statement? Who decides the criteria?

All that stuff is completely subjective.

How is multisyllables, Double Entredres, and rhymeschmes subjective.

Music is subjective but those elements of rap are not.

if i was to say that Eminem incorporates more compelxed rhymeschmes and multisyllabic rhyming in his rhymes than Gucci Mane this would be a FACT.

You judge rapping ability by "multisyllables, Double Entredres, and rhymeschmes"

Jubez judges it by "rhyme pattern, cadence, content etc".

Two totally different sets of criteria.

That is exactly what I mean by subjective. That is the very definition of subjective.

[Natty]

Guessing he is talking about rapping ability (rhyme pattern, cadence, content etc). These technical skills to me aren't subjective

Yh, but "rhyme pattern, cadence, content etc." is just an arbitrary list of criteria. How are these criteria ranked, in terms of importance or whatever? What is the "etc" in your statement? Who decides the criteria?

All that stuff is completely subjective.

A lot of it is subjective but you can't tell me Gucci is better at rapping than Nas when we talk about word play etc its all long trying to list it all and importance because often you then have to think about things like story telling ability and then it all gets long

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Nas is still sick but I still c/s Jubez that I preferred him on the mafioso hype but his new stuff is still good distant relatives was a sick album and he has still got it he just does it differently

[Guest Blue State Of Mind]

Guessing he is talking about rapping ability (rhyme pattern, cadence, content etc). These technical skills to me aren't subjective

Yh, but "rhyme pattern, cadence, content etc." is just an arbitrary list of criteria. How are these criteria ranked, in terms of importance or whatever? What is the "etc" in your statement? Who decides the criteria?

All that stuff is completely subjective.

How is multisyllables, Double Entredres, and rhymeschmes subjective.

Music is subjective but those elements of rap are not.

if i was to say that Eminem incorporates more compelxed rhymeschmes and multisyllabic rhyming in his rhymes than Gucci Mane this would be a FACT.

You judge rapping ability by "multisyllables, Double Entredres, and rhymeschmes"

Jubez judges it by "rhyme pattern, cadence, content etc".

Two totally different sets of criteria.

That is exact;y what I mean by subjective. That is the very definition of subjective.

My points wasn;t subjective, Multisyllables, Double Entredres and rhymeshcmes are NOT subjective,

Certain rappers use Entrdres and Multis more than others nothing subjective about it.

I never said once said music wasn't subjective, but technical skills in rap is not when your comparing someone like Soulja Boy with someone like Eminem.

[Trilliam]

Delivery and content, to an extent flow, may be subjective but rhyme pattern, wit, lyrical dexterity are clear indicators of whether someone is a skilled emcee. I'm not saying they're more important than other non quantifiable things like presence or style but they're what we use in measuring rapping ability. If an artist doesn't tick those boxes then more than likely their appeal lies in something else like emotion, personality or another niche.

[Guest Blue State Of Mind]

But on areal whats the appeal in artists like Max B and Gucci Mane.

Simple lyrics and bad singing voices, i think its the beats personally.

[Trilliam]

Blue State is using the same criteria as me he's just being more in depth which I wanted to avoid less someone think I approve of rapping machines with no soul or charisma.

What Max B/Gucci Mane lose in 'simple lyrics' they gain in attitude, production values and having the right backing (Max B with Los, Dame Grease, Gucci with Lex Luger, Zaytoven) to compliment it also goes a long way.

[Trilliam]

The 'Egyptian sun God' comments were tongue in cheek but Nas increasingly sermon like raps and concious material don't interest me, and in 2010 he is most certainly not the best out.

[Guest Blue State Of Mind]

Blue State is using the same criteria as me he's just being more in depth which I wanted to avoid less someone think I approve of rapping machines with no soul or charisma.

What Max B/Gucci Mane lose in 'simple lyrics' they gain in attitude, production values and having the right backing (Max B with Los, Dame Grease, Gucci with Lex Luger, Zaytoven) to compliment it also goes a long way.

True, but i don't mind rappers with simple lyrics, as long as your saying something in your bars and not coming across as redundant. Both Pac and Cube have simple lyrics compared to some rappers, but they have a message in their tracks that puts them ahead of simpletons like Gucci Mane.

Lol how can someone put on a track to hear sh*t like 'Gucci Gucci, my sh*t is all yellow, yellow kinda like jello'

Loool but true say most man wouldn't even care whos rapping to one of them banging beats.

[Guest Blue State Of Mind]

The 'Egyptian sun God' comments were tongue in cheek but Nas increasingly sermon like raps and concious material don't interest me, and in 2010 he is most certainly not the best out.

I hear what your saying, but tracks like this still show he is capable of the sh*t he was spitting in his 'mafioso' era

If Nas ain't the best out who is?

[Trilliam]

It's how well the artist inhabits the world his created. You could say Trap Music isn't based on strong lyrics, but that doesn't mean there aren't sh*t guys who fail to capture the listeners imagination despite good beats.

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Yeah Nas goes in on that tune, he also goes in on that Detox leak with Dre or maybe it was with Jay can't remember the line up, either way he still can go in like that and if he decides to do it for an entire album instead of reserving it for guest spots and such I may change my mind. Best out atm, I dunno, these days it's hard to say.

[Natty]

being able to appreciate hip hop in all forms from rapping about egyptian sun gods to banging your head to BURR SKEER SKEER >>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________

can I get a pos?

[Trilliam]

I'd pos except no one is arguing that really and it's pretty obvious and redundant.

[Natty]

f*ck off Jubez mate the whole reason it was obvious was so that everyone could relate and pos

[Guest Blue State Of Mind]

It's how well the artist inhabits the world his created. You could say Trap Music isn't based on strong lyrics, but that doesn't mean there aren't sh*t guys who fail to capture the listeners imagination despite good beats.

Yeah trap rap is full of sh*t rappers with good formulaic producers.

[Guest Blue State Of Mind]

The Recession and Trap Muzik are the best albums to come out of Trap rap.

[Natty]

Thug Motivation 101 >>>> The Recession

[Trilliam]

Some faggot

[Guest Blue State Of Mind]

Thug Motivation 101 >>>> The Recession

That was a decent album bit i feel Jeezy stepped it up lyrically for The Recession and the beats were just as good.

[Aquaman]

how is this guy gonna try disrespect the 'vel and pollute the wave?

max is on a whole nother planet to all these other rappers.

his song writing ability is undeniable i honestly dont understand how anyone can question his talent. the waveman bigga-boss-megadon