Humble Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 It's not a contest with the Illmatic topic. This also isn't a Jay Z vs. Nas topic. Remember the most important thing here is the music. I'm not the biggest Jay-z fan, but this album is quality from start to finish.Me personally, I still play this album to this day, everything is on point - beats, lyrical content and the fact that the album is timeless says alot.Use this topic to share thoughts on favourite songs, verses or lines; or stir up debate or just kick up a fuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCRAPS Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg307 Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 This album still gets plays from me to this day. Can listen to it all the way through. Even Bleek is on point on his feature.Jay-Z best effort.Still cant decide on my favorite track though.. Can't Knock The Hustle . Politics As Usual . Dead Presidents II . Feelin' It . D'Evils . 22 Two's . Can I Live . Regrets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savant Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Brooklyns Finest was like a lyrical "keepy uppy".Sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juju Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 good but a mere footnote in the history of 90s hip hop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCRAPS Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 good but a mere footnote in the history of 90s hip hopExactly.Good way of putting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.J Scorpio Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Good album.A few skippable tracks.Fave track has to be "22 two's""at your wake as i peak in, look in your casket, feeling sarcastic, look at him still sleeping" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Infamous Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Dont like it think it is average sub par album not even in my top 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cipher Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 It is good.Best tracks IMOPolitics As usualFeelin itDead Pres I & IICan I LiveD'EvilsBrooklyns FinestRegretsCant Knock The HustleBring It OnIt was very good, but the album had too many tracks for me, it was one of those that if it had clipped a few, it could haev been a perfect album.If it had just had the ones above, then IMO it would seriously rival Illmatic. Perhaps be better...well not but still, would be a better album. Gets even less attention than Illmatic though, most people do not even know it is his first album..Nas lost.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BALL Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Bring It On is my favorite song.The beat (DJ Premier), the lyrics, the flow. Everything is ON POINT.Also think it's one of Jay Z's Best verses.Jay-Z]Mannerisms of a young Bobby DeNiro, spent spanish wisdomsin a whip with dinero, crime organized like the pharoahI cream, I diamond gleamHigh post like Akiem, got a lot of things to dropBrooklyn to Queens, I gotta keep my steamNiggaz wanna try to hem my long jeansUptown fiend for Jay-Z to appear on the sceneIn the meanwhile, here's somethin dope for y'all to leanLiason for days on inMoney make the world go around so I made songs to spinCan I Live, did dough, with my nigs, dividends flowlike the Mississippi riv', lookin jig'Can't do for dolo, had to turn away when Tony killed ManoloThat's real, mixed feelings like a mulattoThug thought he was O.G. Bobby JohnsonI played him like Benny Blanco, mano a manoyou ain't ready, I find no trigger straight up shoot my gunshorizontal, get your weight up, I amtwo point two pounds you're barely a hundred and twenty-five gramsWouldn't expect y'all to understand this moneyDo the knowledge, do the few dollars, I'm due to demolishCrews Brooklyn through Hollis to a hood near you, what the f*ck...Sick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juju Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 hate to bring this up again but certain people need some perspective:illmatic was released in 94reasonable doubt was released in 96illmatic was a genre-defining instant classicjay-z became a household name in 97-98 releasing a string of commercial singlesin 2001 jay-z dropped takeoverfrom this moment forth as god is my witness weed smokers and internet hip hop heads would debate ad nauseam about jay-z vs nasreasonable doubt was basically brought up in retrospect, had he not 'sold out' no one would give a f*ck about reasonable doubt and it would have been just one of dozens of good to excellent 90s new york hip hop albums to go unnoticed by everyone but hip hop headsif you prefer reasonable doubt that's cool but what im saying is fact not opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BALL Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Reasonable Doubt ain't touchin illmatic for real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cipher Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 hate to bring this up again but certain people need some perspective:illmatic was released in 94reasonable doubt was released in 96illmatic was a genre-defining instant classicjay-z became a household name in 97-98 releasing a string of commercial singlesin 2001 jay-z dropped takeoverfrom this moment forth as god is my witness weed smokers and internet hip hop heads would debate ad nauseam about jay-z vs nasreasonable doubt was basically brought up in retrospect, had he not 'sold out' no one would give a f*ck about reasonable doubt and it would have been just one of dozens of good to excellent 90s new york hip hop albums to go unnoticed by everyone but hip hop headsif you prefer reasonable doubt that's cool but what im saying is fact not opinionsNo, they are opinions, not facts.Noone does give a f*ck about it but hip hop heads, this thread is only 10 posts long if you havent noticed, doesnt sound like something everyone is crazy for does it?If you even look at the posts/responses in this thread noone is even claming it to be the best album ever or anything.It was Jays best album, everything he has done since, bar a few efforts, have been completely and utterly mediocre.And yea, I am a Hip Hop head, so I havent/didnt ignore it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadinho Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Classic, I dont care what you sayOnly nerdy 'real' hip hop heads would claim that Jay isnt up there with the very best skillswise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juju Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 hate to bring this up again but certain people need some perspective:illmatic was released in 94reasonable doubt was released in 96illmatic was a genre-defining instant classicjay-z became a household name in 97-98 releasing a string of commercial singlesin 2001 jay-z dropped takeoverfrom this moment forth as god is my witness weed smokers and internet hip hop heads would debate ad nauseam about jay-z vs nasreasonable doubt was basically brought up in retrospect, had he not 'sold out' no one would give a f*ck about reasonable doubt and it would have been just one of dozens of good to excellent 90s new york hip hop albums to go unnoticed by everyone but hip hop headsif you prefer reasonable doubt that's cool but what im saying is fact not opinionsNo, they are opinions, not facts.Noone does give a f*ck about it but hip hop heads, this thread is only 10 posts long if you havent noticed, doesnt sound like something everyone is crazy for does it?If you even look at the posts/responses in this thread noone is even claming it to be the best album ever or anything.It was Jays best album, everything he has done since, bar a few efforts, have been completely and utterly mediocre.And yea, I am a Hip Hop head, so I havent/didnt ignore it.you yourself said it could have potentially rivalled illmatic, anyways this is more relevant to the illmatic thread but i felt to drop my two cents in here cos i didnt wana tarnish the illmatic thread any further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero001 Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cipher Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 hate to bring this up again but certain people need some perspective:illmatic was released in 94reasonable doubt was released in 96illmatic was a genre-defining instant classicjay-z became a household name in 97-98 releasing a string of commercial singlesin 2001 jay-z dropped takeoverfrom this moment forth as god is my witness weed smokers and internet hip hop heads would debate ad nauseam about jay-z vs nasreasonable doubt was basically brought up in retrospect, had he not 'sold out' no one would give a f*ck about reasonable doubt and it would have been just one of dozens of good to excellent 90s new york hip hop albums to go unnoticed by everyone but hip hop headsif you prefer reasonable doubt that's cool but what im saying is fact not opinionsNo, they are opinions, not facts.Noone does give a f*ck about it but hip hop heads, this thread is only 10 posts long if you havent noticed, doesnt sound like something everyone is crazy for does it?If you even look at the posts/responses in this thread noone is even claming it to be the best album ever or anything.It was Jays best album, everything he has done since, bar a few efforts, have been completely and utterly mediocre.And yea, I am a Hip Hop head, so I havent/didnt ignore it.you yourself said it could have potentially rivalled illmatic, anyways this is more relevant to the illmatic thread but i felt to drop my two cents in here cos i didnt wana tarnish the illmatic thread any furtherYeh It could have, but fell very short..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Side Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 never ever over rated llow the boog talk.still can listen to this anyday or time of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillie Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Dead Presidents II >>>>>>>>>>>Do i need to say more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Posted January 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 If you ask me, illmatic is way way overrated. (no hype)Can't remember a Nas album, that I've been able to pick up after a few months/years and play it right thru.boi, says it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cipher Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 If you ask me, illmatic is way way overrated. (no hype)Can't remember a Nas album, that I've been able to pick up after a few months/years and play it right thru.boi, says it allO_o.All have them have been very boring except for Illmatic & It was Written IMO.Have you seriously listened to illmatic properly though? Not just ike, skim-listened?I cant see anyone who has saying that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Posted January 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 If you ask me, illmatic is way way overrated. (no hype)Can't remember a Nas album, that I've been able to pick up after a few months/years and play it right thru.boi, says it allO_o.All have them have been very boring except for Illmatic & It was Written IMO.Have you seriously listened to illmatic properly though? Not just ike, skim-listened?I cant see anyone who has saying that....Yeah, I have, but like many of Nas' album, it got boring real quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCRAPS Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Dead Presidents II >>>>>>>>>>>Do i need to say more.SMH @ your sig & Avi.That's some of the most gay-ass sh*t I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLovin' Jones Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Boy...I think those who prefer Reasonable Doubt over Illmatic & vice versa are fans who appreciate different things in Hip-Hop..So it'll be stupid tryna compare so I'm going to focus on the music of Reasonable Doubt...This album is arguably the most stylish albu ever made in Hip-Hop. The epitome of swagger. f*ck what you heard. Can't Knock The Hustle, Politics As Usual, D'Evils, Feelin' It, Can I Live, 22's Two's, Friend Or Foe, Regrets....Lyrically, it may not be Illmatic but I think the quality of songs was better. I mean, like I said, if you're looking for straight lyricism, poetry etc, Illmatic is you. But I think RD is the better all round package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Infamous Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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