O Fenomeno Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 2000? 2002? 2006? France post Zizou Zidane done it at the highest level Club and International Football Messi so far looks like a One track club level bully Maradona achieved greatness with Argentina with lesser players If Messi wants to join that list he better Turn up next summer in Brazil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diddybob Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 You should be asking yourself who is better Zidane or Platini? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diddybob Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 2000? 2002? 2006? France post Zizou Zidane done it at the highest level Club and International Football Messi so far looks like a One track club level bully Maradona achieved greatness with Argentina with lesser players If Messi wants to join that list he better Turn up next summer in Brazil And Maradona is above Zidane as well mate. Zidane is not in that list. And you think Messi would be ordinary if he left Barca yeah? SMH Messi manages to look a level above players that have dominated the international stage more than Zidane, just put that into consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 I named four footballers Maradona Pele Ronaldo Zidane Who have dominated at a major international tournament and succeeded at club level as well You want to put a player who has done nothing outside his club on their level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diddybob Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 2000 and 2002 they had a fucking good team mate, their core from 98 was still there, in 2002 Makelele had made his way through. No ones doubting Zidanes genius, but he isn't better than Messi because he managed to play for a well structured international side with some of the best Dms and Defenders of the last 20 years to do a lot of the work for him. Same way Iniesta isn't better than Messi for the same reason. Messi has defied football logic, from when you're scoring 73 goals in a season as well as making 25 assists arguments like this shouldn't take place. Only players i'm hearing that our better than him is Maradona Pele, and maybe Ronaldo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diddybob Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 I named four footballers Maradona Pele Ronaldo Zidane Who have dominated at a major international tournament and succeeded at club level as well You want to put a player who has done nothing outside his club on their level Throw in Xavi and Iniesta in as well then I guess they're better than Messi too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Maybe Ronaldo? Best in world aged 20 Two time Ballon D'or winner Dominated a WC aged 21 Suffered two serious knee injuries Won a WC aged 25 (scored 8 goals) WC record goal scorer Excelled in Serie A and La Liga x2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diddybob Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Yeah i know that mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 So don't even question if Ronaldo is better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diddybob Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Its a debate, when a player is scoring 73 goals in a calender season and has the all round ability Messi has it would be silly to say any player in football history is much better than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diddybob Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Although i think Ronaldo is more naturally talented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benicio del Toney Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 I woulda put Zidane a step below Maradona, Pele and Ronaldo. Purely because they dominated and won World Cups, Zidane's best WC France never won. It's harsh but it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkman Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Diddybob would you not say Ronaldo had an advantage of playing in better national teams than Messi too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 The way speak about Ronaldo like he was the supporting cast like Rivaldo/Leonardo/Bebeto in 98 Ronaldinho in 02 Messi has played with Cambiasso,Riquelme,Zanetti,Tevez,Di Maria,Kun but has failed (2006 was default Pekerman fucked up against Germany) Ronaldo was the main guy in 98 e 2002 look what happened Ronaldinho was the main guy in 06 and look what happened Brazil would of never reached the final in 98 or won it in 2002 without Ronaldo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diddybob Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 He did, but if he never had any injuries i don't think there would be a debate of who was a better player out of him and Zidane in the late 90's/early 00's. He was so much better than everyone in the world imo from when he was 20. Thats the type of talents we are dealing with when were talking about Pele Maradona Messi Ronaldo, child prodigies all these players were the best in the world from when they were 21. Zidane is a wonderful player but he is not in the same class, these guys were destined for greatness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diddybob Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 The way speak about Ronaldo like he was the supporting cast like Rivaldo/Leonardo/Bebeto in 98 Ronaldinho in 02 Messi has played with Cambiasso,Riquelme,Zanetti,Tevez,Di Maria,Kun but has failed (2006 was default Pekerman f*cked up against Germany) Ronaldo was the main guy in 98 e 2002 look what happened Ronaldinho was the main guy in 06 and look what happened Brazil would of never reached the final in 98 or won it in 2002 without Ronaldo He played with a crazy man as the manager though. No ones doubting Argentinas attacking talent, its at the back and in the midfield where the wrong tactics/lack of good players has killed them. Both Brazil and France teams had better structure and balance than the teams Messi has played in. Thats the key difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Like I said so far Messi has struggled outside his bubble Until he dominates a WC then he can be mentioned with the likes of Maradona Pele Ronaldo Zidane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Xavi y Iniesta cannot hold his hand forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diddybob Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 That means Xavi Iniesta can be mentioned with Zidane Maradona Pele Maradona right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diddybob Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Xavi y Iniesta cannot hold his hand forever Have you seen Barca without Messi recently? There is no doubt who is the main man in that team, and it isn't either of the two you mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diddybob Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Like i said Zidanes group of players are Iniesta Platini Zico Laudrup all great players but don't mention him with Maradona and Pele if he isn't hands down better than the aforementioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Zidane played under Domenech in 06 that French team wasn't structured at all Zidane is a big game player He thought fuck the group stages I will give out master classes in Knock out stages Messi was found out against the Germans while Zizou dominated Spain,Brazil,Portugal The guy has scored in a CL final and has three goals in two WC Finals He was Golden Ball in the summer of 06(fully deserved) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Says the guy who has the cheek to mention a club Craque like Messi with a GOAT of all levels like Ronaldo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diddybob Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Zidane still played with a better team mate. They had at least had world class dms behind him. Post me the Argentina team that faced Germany under Maradona again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diddybob Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Says the guy who has the cheek to mention a club Craque like Messi with a GOAT of all levels like Ronaldo He never dominated club football like Messi did though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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