Female Role Models in 2010

[Guest Yilmaz]

BTW, I think the general point yr trying to make is that there aren't enough positive role models in the media for young girls these days, am I right?If that is the case, I agree with you. However, I don't think the media should be the place for people to get their positive role models from. That place is the home, and the family unit.

QFT.

tbh imo m12 is talking about chicks in an urban environment. as this is what the 'role models' he stated are in bar paris u man arent in that environment so wouldnt know ppl who look up to these ppl but either way theres a indie/white equivalent role model whose jus as bad

I've worked with young people, and tbh they're not into this sh*t at all. However it's the kinda chicks I see when I've been out to "urban" raves and sh*t. Them kinda girls make me sick. Girls wh love off Nicki Minaj and all them dumb hip hop hoes. Gets me vex stil.

Not in my lifetime, agreed.Further back however girls wouldnt dare look up to a half dressed, bald headed bisexual.

tbh ur first post u completely made up. u dont actually know wot ur talking about at the moment it jus sounded good in ur head

QFT. Kaygee should just be quiet in threads like this. Stick to makeup fam.

[KayGee]

What the hell is qft?I am sticking to makeup, 'fam' but this is a forum, you know where people talk and debate.. its calling giving your view and opinion. If you dont like what im saying then explain to me why and give a good argument, lets not just copy everyone else ay.

[KayGee]

I wasn't talking to u tbh, ur miserable.

[KayGee]

Yea on the subject matter, your just trying to be smart and slate me because its funny or something.I was replying to someone else (who is quite obviously eating out ur backside btw) and you felt to jump in and say something worthless.If you wanna talk about the subject of the thread then go ahead we can talk.. if u wanna just moan about me on a personal level.. well.. thats just quite sad.

[Guest Yilmaz]

What the hell is qft?I am sticking to makeup, 'fam' but this is a forum, you know where people talk and debate.. its calling giving your view and opinion. If you dont like what im saying then explain to me why and give a good argument, lets not just copy everyone else ay.

Qft = Quoted for truth.I say this because you made a great point:

Girls don't wanna look up to someone smart and successful"

then, in the face of some sexist idiocy you say:

Not in my lifetime, agreed.

Now, I don't know what world you live in, but if you couldn't even stick to your guns with an example of a smart and successful woman, then you're a fool.There are thousands upon thousands of smart and successful women to look up to out there.Fact is, most urban girls are just dumb, uneducated (degree or not) ambition-less morons. The scan of the average urban facebook shows the kind of foolishness we're dealing with. Thank god I don't have to pick a wife from any of them.

[KayGee]

No.When im talking about in the past im not thinking specific people, i mean in general thats the type of woman these girls would look up to. In 2010 we are not pushed to achieve but we do have these women like Amber Rose, Nicki Minaj etc etc who are seen as successful and sexy with a great life. The young girls of today dont wanna work hard and be a success they just wanna earn money and get attention left right and centre.There may be thousands of role models out there but we dont seen them, these girls are gonna follow what is current and what is cool. So yea not in my lifetime has there been many stand out role models in the media, a real powerful successful woman. Feel free to share a few as you know thousands.

[Guest Yilmaz]

No.When im talking about in the past im not thinking specific people, i mean in general thats the type of woman these girls would look up to. In 2010 we are not pushed to achieve but we do have these women like Amber Rose, Nicki Minaj etc etc who are seen as successful and sexy with a great life. The young girls of today dont wanna work hard and be a success they just wanna earn money and get attention left right and centre.There may be thousands of role models out there but we dont seen them, these girls are gonna follow what is current and what is cool. So yea not in my lifetime has there been many stand out role models in the media, a real powerful successful woman. Feel free to share a few as you know thousands.

It depends how you define "real, powerful woman". Also please note, I didn't refer to the word "media" which carries the assumption that role models have to be famous or a celebrity of some sort. AND I didn't say I KNEW thousands. Some of my female friends are great role models for instance. Why? Because they're smart (proven) and they're successful (if you consider entering top professions as successful, which I do). And they have ambition, other than taking their clothes off or appearing in some d*ckhead's rap video.How Amber Rose and Nicki Minaj are "successful" is beyond me. They are good looking sex objects, nothing more. I don't respect Nicki Minaj's rap ability, and I don't respect Amber Rose's bald head and the fact she hooked up with Kanye.

[Guest M12 Part 2]

No.When im talking about in the past im not thinking specific people, i mean in general thats the type of woman these girls would look up to. In 2010 we are not pushed to achieve but we do have these women like Amber Rose, Nicki Minaj etc etc who are seen as successful and sexy with a great life. The young girls of today dont wanna work hard and be a success they just wanna earn money and get attention left right and centre.There may be thousands of role models out there but we dont seen them, these girls are gonna follow what is current and what is cool. So yea not in my lifetime has there been many stand out role models in the media, a real powerful successful woman. Feel free to share a few as you know thousands.

It depends how you define "real, powerful woman". Also please note, I didn't refer to the word "media" which carries the assumption that role models have to be famous or a celebrity of some sort. AND I didn't say I KNEW thousands. Some of my female friends are great role models for instance. Why? Because they're smart (proven) and they're successful (if you consider entering top professions as successful, which I do). And they have ambition, other than taking their clothes off or appearing in some d*ckhead's rap video.How Amber Rose and Nicki Minaj are "successful" is beyond me. They are good looking sex objects, nothing more. I don't respect Nicki Minaj's rap ability, and I don't respect Amber Rose's bald head and the fact she hooked up with Kanye.

I dont understand whether you are intentionally dancing around the issue on purpose or not but money is an indicator of success. Whether you agree as to whether it's one of the most important or least important is irrelevant.There are many people and schools of thought that will say when its all said and done.Nikki Minaj's Bank balance / property portfolio or net worth is far greater than yours and for that reason she is more successful than you.Agreed?

[Flojo]

Gone are the days when girls wanna look up to a smart successful woman

lolol

lol init when was such a time barbie? marilyn monroe?

pmsl was thinking exactly the same

[KayGee]

The thread started by mentioning famous females very much so in the media, we cant then go on to compare family and friends.

[Guest Yilmaz]

No.When im talking about in the past im not thinking specific people, i mean in general thats the type of woman these girls would look up to. In 2010 we are not pushed to achieve but we do have these women like Amber Rose, Nicki Minaj etc etc who are seen as successful and sexy with a great life. The young girls of today dont wanna work hard and be a success they just wanna earn money and get attention left right and centre.There may be thousands of role models out there but we dont seen them, these girls are gonna follow what is current and what is cool. So yea not in my lifetime has there been many stand out role models in the media, a real powerful successful woman. Feel free to share a few as you know thousands.

It depends how you define "real, powerful woman". Also please note, I didn't refer to the word "media" which carries the assumption that role models have to be famous or a celebrity of some sort. AND I didn't say I KNEW thousands. Some of my female friends are great role models for instance. Why? Because they're smart (proven) and they're successful (if you consider entering top professions as successful, which I do). And they have ambition, other than taking their clothes off or appearing in some d*ckhead's rap video.How Amber Rose and Nicki Minaj are "successful" is beyond me. They are good looking sex objects, nothing more. I don't respect Nicki Minaj's rap ability, and I don't respect Amber Rose's bald head and the fact she hooked up with Kanye.

I dont understand whether you are intentionally dancing around the issue on purpose or not but money is an indicator of success. Whether you agree as to whether it's one of the most important or least important is irrelevant.There are many people and schools of thought that will say when its all said and done.Nikki Minaj's Bank balance / property portfolio or net worth is far greater than yours and for that reason she is more successful than you.Agreed?

Obviously, if money is the only determinant of success, which it isn't.If that were the case, then you could go to dumb lengths and say Birdman is more successful than Barack Obama who is only worth a couple mill according to Forbes.Success is judged more, imo, by how far you reach in your respective profession.Will Birdman ever be considered the best at what he does? Nope.Nobody worth their salt judges success by money.It's all about supply and demand. For what Amber Rose is (a very beautiful women who happened to date Kanye West) her demand is high, because women who want to be like her will buy into the brand.I expected a smarter comment from you still.

[Guest M12 Part 2]

i just wanted to see if you were intentionally ignoring money tbh.

[Michel Kane]

I didn't mention Paris Hilton.

mate wot?swear the opening post mentioned paris hilton, thats what i did in my post. what u say lolwhat for and put paris in bold

You were talking about urban environment/Paris, thought you meant the city, don't watch me.

[Guest Yilmaz]

i just wanted to see if you were intentionally ignoring money tbh.

If you had mentioned an industry where money/profit defines success, i.e. banking, then yeah it would have been a worthy argument. For the people Nicki Minaj is affiliated with i.e. Weezy, money will be abdundant for her. Doesn't mean she's particularly good at what she does.Same with other rappers. Lloyd Banks got money because of affiliation with 50. If he came out on his own, he'd be another mixtape rapper, and he largely is.Hip hop is, like many things nowadays, one of those industries where talent and money do not necessarily correlate. And as far as pure rapping talent goes, Nicki Minaj is a good example of that. However, what (I guess) she can do, is appeal to the masses.Some people do not care for mass appeal. Is the Wykeham Professor of Logic successful or not? His salary is only around 60k per annum.

[Michel Kane]

Nicki Minaj isn't some any rapper, let's calm it a lil'.She's genuinely talented, but her image precedes her talents.Which is a given, considering the industry she's in & genre she reps.So yes, she is successful.

[Guest Yilmaz]

Nicki Minaj isn't some any rapper, let's calm it a lil'.She's genuinely talented, but her image precedes her talents.Which is a given, considering the industry she's in & genre she reps.So yes, she is successful.

Well, being the rational man I am, I'm open to convincing.Please post one of her songs that adequately portrays her technical rapping abilities. Should be pretty easy tbh, cos I have heard some decent stuff said about her.NB: Most of my vitriol was focused towards Amber Rose actually, of whose talent I'm certain no-one could convince me of.

[Skenghis Khan]

successful =/= dignity, morality, my respect, good role model.minaj makes good pop tunes but shes not a talented rapper

[Guest Yilmaz]

successful =/= dignity, morality, my respect, good role model.minaj makes good pop tunes but shes not a talented rapper

Makes sense, pretty much what I thought tbh, re Minaj.

[Michel Kane]

Success is all relative.But you think it doesn't take 'talent' to make a good pop song? I'm not gonna argue about whether NM is a talented rapper or not; it's all about tastes, but to say she has no talent? LOL

[Guest Lens]

How the OP should have looked

If you ask most females who they look up/rate in 2010, the majority of answers will be similar to Amber Rose, Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton etc etc.Lets break down these 3 femalesAmber Rose was a stripper who rose to fame by getting doggied by Kanye West, Kim Kardashian daugher of sucessful lawyer Robert Kardashian. She rose to fame by f*ck*ng Ray J on camera and then getting smashed by Reggie Bush. Then theres Paris Hilton who came into the public eye by releasing a sextape of herself. (Its a nice story that the sex tape leaked and then she decided she might as well make some money off it and starting selling it, but i aint buying that. If she was really on it she coulda gone court and got some HENCH payout against anyone distributing that.Is basically prostituting yourself to / off the back of the most high profile male you can find the best way to make a living for yourself? and the amount of attention these chicks get as well, when all they are is glorified groupies/slores.I suppose Amber Rose's hustle especially has to be rated, because shes slightly built herself a brand with her barl head, fashion sense and bisexualnessBut are females of the world doomed, especially as this is what young girls are looking up to? Its a completely different era from when young girls would say i wanna be like Beyonce, because at least she had a talent. What can you look at Kim K and say she actually does? Apart from touch clubs and give shines to black men.I fear for the youth of tommorrow.

however, do continue

[Guest Yilmaz]

Success is all relative.But you think it doesn't take 'talent' to make a good pop song? I'm not gonna argue about whether NM is a talented rapper or not; it's all about tastes, but to say she has no talent? LOL

Talented entertainerAverage rapper.

[Afroman]

Have not read through all pages but I see what M12 Is sayin to an extent But. Same could be said about men. Same could be said about our generation in general (but that another debate)End of the day we as men glorify these slores all day long and yet we expect women no to question whats sexy and whats not?Lets face it when we go raves, outings and what not. These are the sort of slores we want too see The bench mark for sex appeal in society for a woman is soo distorted that most are in no choice to idolize these chicks.These days I find it hard to see females standing up straight in a picture without bending down notch and arching there ass out. Even in a wedding outfit. It is what is sir..Some time soon we will have topic on one of these slores with ' >__________, no'dom, cheeeez, posd e.t.c writen next to their name .

[Guest Lens]

Have not read through all pages but I see what M12 Is sayin to an extent But. Same could be said about men. Same could be said about our generation in general (but that another debate)End of the day we as men glorify these slores all day long and yet we expect women no to question whats sexy and whats not?Lets face it when we go raves, outings and what not. These are the sort of slores we want too see The bench mark for sex appeal in society for a woman is soo distorted that most are in no choice to idolize these chicks.These days I find it hard to see females standing up straight in a picture without bending down notch and arching there ass out. Even in a wedding outfit. It is what is sir..Some time soon we will have topic on one of these slores with ' >__________, no'dom, cheeeez, posd e.t.c writen next to their name .

den dese biches need to stop watchin what men want and do them.

[Lieutenant]

I completely understand what you're saying but I don't know any girls who would state any of those 3 as their role model.

[Seth Rollins]

If that's who "most females" you know are saying they look up to, you're hanging around the wrong kind of females tbh.

For this to be the second post doesn't surprise me.For this post to come from a MALE is quite disturbing tbh.Someone's been feminised...