Welfare Cuts Will Encourage Poor To Breed

[JWP]

they say things like this in public

can you imagine how they speak behind closed doors

trust me

cnt stand snakes, id rather someone jus told me straight up so i didnt waste my time

the only positives from their hellish regime will be when the next elections come around, the pricks who chose not to, or just couldnt be bothered to vote last time will be out in their droves

This is what I was initially thinking. But when you take everything into account, the only people who are really gonna suffer in the next general election are the Lib Dems. The election is still some 5 years away, that's 5 years of solid propoganda from the Rupert Murdoch empire repeatdly drilling through people's heads that the Tories are the nice guys.

The likes of Adam Bolton, Kay Burley and The Sun consistently telling the public that anything bad was brought about as a result of 12 years of a Labour government and that the Tory work is well on its way to improving the nation. And then you have various Murdoch affiliated polls which are likely to show overwhelming support for the Tory government which will more than likely have a negative affect on a large number of the working class who want to vote against the Tories but then thinking there's no point as they will win another term anyway.

[Mr Q]

^^

Especially if Labour don't get behind Ed Miliband.

But you know what, they didn't win a majority this time, and I doubt they would win a majority next time. I can see a coalition government in this country for a while.

[MARVELL]

Yeah but you do realise theres a difference between earning your money by doing nothing and earning your money by working 10-12 hours a day?

Can you not see people on benefits are a detterent for people that pay higher income tax, not because they are lower class citizen or for the fact they receive benefits its about them sitting around all day doing nothing yet being paid.

If you can't see that then you're trying to be clever when you should just view the topic from a safe distance.

to be honest,

the man has somewhat of a point,

the fact is there are some people who aren't interested in ever getting a job, as if you haven't got certain qualifications or abilities in some cases it makes more financial sense to be unemployed than working.

but yes it all has to be clamped down on

Yeah, there's no doubt about that. But the fact is, they're in the minority. Most people on benefits DO want to work.

The money that the minority (lazy people, happy on benefits) cost the country is a drop in the ocean compared to the damage done by rich cunts like Philip Green dodging taxes.

what you and the other guy just said is absolute bollocks, cringeworthy nonsense. are your parents on benefits being why you're so defensive?

my sister has worked in the DWP for 12 yrs, and she will laugh at that statement. when you say "benefits" are you even aware of ALL the types of benefits your talking about?

the fact is that a TINY proportion of benefit cheats are actually caught each year, and thats where the 1billion comes from, but the ones who blatantly cheat in advisers faces and work the system account for at least half of all claimants. This is FACT, when staff at jobcentres KNOW that half of the people they see claiming benefits (carers allowance, community grants, budgeting loans, jobseekers allowance, income support, incapacity benefit, attendance allowance, free school meals etc to name a few) are all fake, but they have no concrete way of proving, and 90% of the time they do report cases to the fraud dept..they come back negative.

not because the fraud Dept investigated and found them not guilty but cos they looked at the amount of potential fraud and since it may amount to less than 10k from the time it was identified, they dont bother OR they just dont have enough resources to investigate.

if the real amount of fraud that these f*ckers commit is put properly taken into account (free dental care, free prescriptions, grants to loans and other community grants, housing benefit, council tax benefit, concessions on hundreds of other things, ) then the real amount of fraud will be well over 20 billion. this is a known fact in DWP but they cant ever say it cos they cant prove it, and thats just a reasonable estimate.

instead of saying most of the people claiming benefits DO want to work, you should say that most of the people claiming benefits ARE actually working and still getting paid benefits they are not entitled to. my sister talks of people on income support travelling on holiday 2x a yr, and they who earn 25k+ can barely go abroad once/yr.. these things are all reported but they do not have the power to do much. this isnt some daily mail hype its reality.

and you are cussing a man like phillip green or other billionaires who EMPLOY thousands of people, contributing BILLIONS to the UK economy, paying MILLIONS in coporate tax, AND STILL pay TENS OF MILLIONS legally in income tax, but cos they like the same people on benefits "playing the system" choose to use a loop hole and pay a few million, instead of a few MORE million and saying THEY are the problem???????????? are you really being serious? or ur just a useless communist?

i dont like the conservatives much myself BUT i dont mind a billionaire contributing to the economy and still paying 5m/yr in taxes rather than paying 20m/yr than a scrounging greedy liar getting state benefits, and still getting paid for undisclosed work, living rent and council tax free while paying absolute peanuts in tax if any at all.

[Guest WAVESURFER]

Mate, if you're dealing with "FACTS" which you have "no concrete way of proving" there's no point in me arguing with you.

As for the Philip Green thing, you're saying you think it's alright that he dodges paying hundreds of millions of pounds worth of tax because he's paying some of what he owes? That's f*ck*ng bollocks mate, that's not how it works.

[Mr Q]

Lol but this is exactly the type of reaction that is funny

They are both cheating the system but people are happy to defend one and not the other. Bollocks

[Guest Esquilax]

These people do not have terrets.

[MARVELL]

Mate, if you're dealing with "FACTS" which you have "no concrete way of proving" there's no point in me arguing with you.

As for the Philip Green thing, you're saying you think it's alright that he dodges paying hundreds of millions of pounds worth of tax because he's paying some of what he owes? That's f*ck*ng bollocks mate, that's not how it works.

the DWP dont have a concrete way of proving it, if the advisers were given the real power they could half the number of fake claimants.

the best thing about the conservative party is the fact that they are the best party to carry out proper state welfare reform.

you have people coming in from Germany or sweden, into the UK because THEIR BENEFIT ENTITLEMENTS QUOTA HAS ENDED!!

and they can then sit here for the rest of their lives claiming housing benefit and income support as long as they keep breeding kids and you think THAT is right?

the biggest dent in welfare benefits is housing and council tax benefits, this is where tens of billions are sucked out of the system each year

the proof is all there cos people who work with these people day in day out gather enough evidence about them, but redtape doesnt allow them to do much.

my cousin is dentist, lives in ealing and he and his wife pay 1400 for mortgage, their neighbour has been on income support for 7 of the 8 yrs they lived there

they get FULL housing benefit, maybe pay like 10/week as "contribution". able bodied people living off the state because its easy to., what the f*ck kind of encouragement do they have to either get BACK into work, or DISCLOSE the work they probably do when their biggest financial responsibility has been given to them for free

i know of people who got cars claiming disability allowance, they disappeared without a trace shortly afterwards.

do i have a problem with a billionaire paying a huge property tax, huge income tax, employing hundreds or thousands of people and making THEIR lives better, whose company still pays millions in taxes and who still pays SOME form of income tax which STILL surpasses 80% of the rest of the population? HELL NO cos he is not a burden on the system. and the more tax loop holes that are closed will mean he pays even MORE tax that those lazy benefit people will want to use up while giving NOTHING back in return. if it wasnt for DWP staff giving these stories to the daily mail and the likes..labour would not have done much for benefit reform in the first place cos they made it comfortable to remain on benefits, while a person who chooses to work his arse off even earning just 12k/ a year and lives in LONDON would get Nothing from the state.

@ Mr Q There is a huge difference between a person who is able bodied and CAN work, but chooses not to cos the system cannot force them to, many of whom are actually working anyway but do not disclose it, and someone who uses a "loop hole" to avoid paying MORE tax.

phillip green is doing nothing illegal, he leaves the country every 90 days. he is paying millions into the coffers already, and if he doesnt stay for more than 90 days then he doesnt NEED to thats what the law says. he is not a burden to the economy.

the person scrounging off the state dodging work, or working while claiming state benefits IS doing something illegal, and IS a burden to the economy.

[carpedeum]

Mate, if you're dealing with "FACTS" which you have "no concrete way of proving" there's no point in me arguing with you.

As for the Philip Green thing, you're saying you think it's alright that he dodges paying hundreds of millions of pounds worth of tax because he's paying some of what he owes? That's f*ck*ng bollocks mate, that's not how it works.

the DWP dont have a concrete way of proving it, if the advisers were given the real power they could half the number of fake claimants.

the best thing about the conservative party is the fact that they are the best party to carry out proper state welfare reform.

you have people coming in from Germany or sweden, into the UK because THEIR BENEFIT ENTITLEMENTS QUOTA HAS ENDED!!

and they can then sit here for the rest of their lives claiming housing benefit and income support as long as they keep breeding kids and you think THAT is right?

the biggest dent in welfare benefits is housing and council tax benefits, this is where tens of billions are sucked out of the system each year

the proof is all there cos people who work with these people day in day out gather enough evidence about them, but redtape doesnt allow them to do much.

my cousin is dentist, lives in ealing and he and his wife pay 1400 for mortgage, their neighbour has been on income support for 7 of the 8 yrs they lived there

they get FULL housing benefit, maybe pay like 10/week as "contribution". able bodied people living off the state because its easy to., what the f*ck kind of encouragement do they have to either get BACK into work, or DISCLOSE the work they probably do when their biggest financial responsibility has been given to them for free

i know of people who got cars claiming disability allowance, they disappeared without a trace shortly afterwards.

do i have a problem with a billionaire paying a huge property tax, huge income tax, employing hundreds or thousands of people and making THEIR lives better, whose company still pays millions in taxes and who still pays SOME form of income tax which STILL surpasses 80% 90%of the rest of the population? HELL NO cos he is not a burden on the system. and the more tax loop holes that are closed will mean he pays even MORE tax that those lazy benefit people will want to use up while giving NOTHING back in return. if it wasnt for DWP staff giving these stories to the daily mail and the likes..labour would not have done much for benefit reform in the first place cos they made it comfortable to remain on benefits, while a person who chooses to work his arse off even earning just 12k/ a year and lives in LONDON would get Nothing from the state.

@ Mr Q There is a huge difference between a person who is able bodied and CAN work, but chooses not to cos the system cannot force them to, many of whom are actually working anyway but do not disclose it, and someone who uses a "loop hole" to avoid paying MORE tax.

phillip green is doing nothing illegal, he leaves the country every 90 days. he is paying millions into the coffers already, and if he doesnt stay for more than 90 days then he doesnt NEED to thats what the law says. he is not a burden to the economy.

the person scrounging off the state dodging work, or working while claiming state benefits IS doing something illegal, and IS a burden to the economy.

[Guest WAVESURFER]

f*ck*ng hell, here comes the Young Conservatives club...

[carpedeum]

f*ck*ng hell, here comes the Young Conservatives club...

a nice balance to the socialist get everything for free club

[Guest WAVESURFER]

f*ck*ng hell, here comes the Young Conservatives club...

a nice balance to the socialist get everything for free club

That's not what I said at all, you clown.

YOU'RE the one saying billionaires should be allowed to dodge multi-million pound tax bills cause they earn more (and therefore owe more tax) than 90% of the population.

So essentially, you're saying rich people should get "everything at a discounted rate", if not quite "everything for free".

But in your eyes, I'M the one who wants to give tax & benefit cheats everything for free?!

Your logic is mind-boggling.

[Mr Q]

Socialist get everything for free.

That doesnt even make sense.

No - one has advocated that at all.

Rich people still benefit from everything in society that is available to them from the government.

They should pay their bloody taxes, the same way people who dont need benefits shouldn't be on them

especially when these cunts work for the government.

What is there to argue about that?

[carpedeum]

Socialist get everything for free.

That doesnt even make sense.

No - one has advocated that at all.

Rich people still benefit from everything in society that is available to them from the government.

They should pay their bloody taxes, the same way people who dont need benefits shouldn't be on them

especially when these cunts work for the government.

What is there to argue about that?

"these people" you're talking about, as has already been mentioned DO pay their taxes. what are YOU actually arguing about?

Rich people like you mention, are not claiming benefits they aren't or shouldn't be entitled to, and if im correct they cant even claim anyway unless they hide all their assets since there is a threshold or means testing for claiming welfare.

stellios of easyjet is another example, he is non-domicile in the UK as well, he owns easyjet.

his contribution to helping overseas flights become affordable to almost if not everybody is a huge one. what exactly are you saying he is doing wrong? to choose to leave the UK every 90 days so he can STAY WITHIN THE LAW AND NOT BREAK IT?

according to UK tax laws, if someone doesnt reside in the country for more than 90 days but is able to claim a type of residency he only needs to pay a certain amount of tax. the people you say are dodging taxes are not dodging anything. besides they also contribute around £20B to the UK economy in form of taxes and the business they own.

what do the people as mentioned who shouldnt be claiming walfare but do claim contribute to the economy?

you should be asking yourself what YOU are arguing about, when comparing something thats illegal, to something that isnt.

some silly "blame the bankers" mentality.

[Guest Awesome Kong]

People always cuss those on benefits and what not, but I saw someone saying that benefit fraud costs the country £1bn, but those tax evaders cost the country £15bn!!

Those on benefits are just easy targets for the media and government.

c/s

These rich tax evaders (like Philip Green, who is now advising the f*ck*ng government) aren't punished, they're rewarded if anything, and they're the ones doing the most damage to the country.

But all we hear about are "scrounging benefit cheats".

Makes me sick.

f*ck Philip Green the prick.

[Guest WAVESURFER]

Socialist get everything for free.

That doesnt even make sense.

No - one has advocated that at all.

Rich people still benefit from everything in society that is available to them from the government.

They should pay their bloody taxes, the same way people who dont need benefits shouldn't be on them

especially when these cunts work for the government.

What is there to argue about that?

"these people" you're talking about, as has already been mentioned DO pay their taxes. what are YOU actually arguing about?

Rich people like you mention, are not claiming benefits they aren't or shouldn't be entitled to, and if im correct they cant even claim anyway unless they hide all their assets since there is a threshold or means testing for claiming welfare.

stellios of easyjet is another example, he is non-domicile in the UK as well, he owns easyjet.

his contribution to helping overseas flights become affordable to almost if not everybody is a huge one. what exactly are you saying he is doing wrong? to choose to leave the UK every 90 days so he can STAY WITHIN THE LAW AND NOT BREAK IT?

according to UK tax laws, if someone doesnt reside in the country for more than 90 days but is able to claim a type of residency he only needs to pay a certain amount of tax. the people you say are dodging taxes are not dodging anything. besides they also contribute around £20B to the UK economy in form of taxes and the business they own.

what do the people as mentioned who shouldnt be claiming walfare but do claim contribute to the economy?

you should be asking yourself what YOU are arguing about, when comparing something thats illegal, to something that isnt.

some silly "blame the bankers" mentality.

WTF?

Noone said anything about rich people claiming benefits you cretin.

We're talking about rich people dodging taxes and costing the country billions. Like Philip Green paying out a £1.2bn paycheque to his wife cause she lives in Monaco, to avoid paying any tax to the UK (£300m would have been owed). That's bordering on money-laundering, it's nothing to do with this 90-day rule you two tory cunts keep bringing up. But you think he's some kind of saint cause he flings a few million quid in tax our way every year (a pittance for someone like him)? You're lost.

And noone mentioned "blaming the bankers" either, why are you bringing that up? It's just another typical cap-cap post, skirting round the issue and talking about irrelevant, extraneous sh*t as usual.

Go chase yourself round London again ya prick. I'm done talking to you.

[Skenghis Khan]

pos

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SMASH THE CON DEMS.

[Guest Yilmaz]

Whatever Wavesurfer/Superstition have said I pretty much endorse.

[djbmc]

Noone said anything about rich people claiming benefits you cretin.

every time i see this word being used on here i lol, i need to try and incorporate it into my every day vocabulary.

[Guest Yilmaz]

Noone said anything about rich people claiming benefits you cretin.

every time i see this word being used on here i lol, i need to try and incorporate it into my every day vocabulary.

It's a brilliant put down. A noetic version of "retard" basically.

Slipping into convos without people knowing what it means (for the luhlz obv) is amusing.

"Oh do you know such and such? Yeah, he's a real cretin"

Girl looks at me blankly: "Yeah I know, he's sucha great guy"

[djbmc]

Noone said anything about rich people claiming benefits you cretin.

every time i see this word being used on here i lol, i need to try and incorporate it into my every day vocabulary.

It's a brilliant put down. A noetic version of "retard" basically.

Slipping into convos without people knowing what it means (for the luhlz obv) is amusing.

"Oh do you know such and such? Yeah, he's a real cretin"

Girl looks at me blankly: "Yeah I know, he's sucha great guy"

lol f*ck.....

[carpedeum]

Socialist get everything for free.

That doesnt even make sense.

No - one has advocated that at all.

Rich people still benefit from everything in society that is available to them from the government.

They should pay their bloody taxes, the same way people who dont need benefits shouldn't be on them

especially when these cunts work for the government.

What is there to argue about that?

"these people" you're talking about, as has already been mentioned DO pay their taxes. what are YOU actually arguing about?

Rich people like you mention, are not claiming benefits they aren't or shouldn't be entitled to, and if im correct they cant even claim anyway unless they hide all their assets since there is a threshold or means testing for claiming welfare.

stellios of easyjet is another example, he is non-domicile in the UK as well, he owns easyjet.

his contribution to helping overseas flights become affordable to almost if not everybody is a huge one. what exactly are you saying he is doing wrong? to choose to leave the UK every 90 days so he can STAY WITHIN THE LAW AND NOT BREAK IT?

according to UK tax laws, if someone doesnt reside in the country for more than 90 days but is able to claim a type of residency he only needs to pay a certain amount of tax. the people you say are dodging taxes are not dodging anything. besides they also contribute around £20B to the UK economy in form of taxes and the business they own.

what do the people as mentioned who shouldnt be claiming walfare but do claim contribute to the economy?

you should be asking yourself what YOU are arguing about, when comparing something thats illegal, to something that isnt.

some silly "blame the bankers" mentality.

WTF?

Noone said anything about rich people claiming benefits you cretin.

We're talking about rich people dodging taxes and costing the country billions. Like Philip Green paying out a £1.2bn paycheque to his wife cause she lives in Monaco, to avoid paying any tax to the UK (£300m would have been owed). That's bordering on money-laundering, it's nothing to do with this 90-day rule you two tory cunts keep bringing up. But you think he's some kind of saint cause he flings a few million quid in tax our way every year (a pittance for someone like him)? You're lost.

And noone mentioned "blaming the bankers" either, why are you bringing that up? It's just another typical cap-cap post, skirting round the issue and talking about irrelevant, extraneous sh*t as usual.

Go chase yourself round London again ya prick. I'm done talking to you.

MR Q said "rich people are entitled to the same benefits as everyone else"

phillip green didnt just "pay out" his wife a billion pounds, his wife is the direct owner of arcadia, and as i mentioned he did nothing illegal. people in business all over the country whether big small or medium are doing it, it's a tax loop hole that one person shouldnt be made to appear more guilty than another just because of who he is. blame the bankers mentality is that stupid attitude you and others have which is pointing the fingers at everyone else (as per the financial crisis and the consequences people have to face reality with now) , but either purposefully or through sheer stupidity fail to acknowledge the other areas which are just as bad if not worse which also need talking about. The whole big business and taxloop hole situation was encouraged by the labour party.

furthermore there are over 1500 ways to avoid paying some form of tax in this country and this applies to the self employed kebab shop owner to the billion pound business owner. if you want to point fingers, then the labour govt who was aware of this and DID NOTHING is far more to blame than the tories.

you came in here shouting that most people on benefits want to work, with no real proof of this just what you assume is the situation.

when you look at the situation the country is in, with spending on two wars, highest cost of living in europe, and all the problems with state welfare and govt and personal debt spending out of control during labour's govt, you can only be an absolute fool (which you clearly are tbh) to not expect that something needs to be reformed. and a reform that has to take come from a different set of people.

keep feeling happy to be in the murder capital of europe u c*nt

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lol@ lap dog yilmaz

[Mr Q]

No I didn't.

[carpedeum]

No I didn't.

what you said appeared to imply you did.

[Guest M12 Part 2]

I'm backing carpes sentiment as well. Guys like PG are responsible for people having thousands of jobs in this country and as has already been mentioned they use legal loopholes that Ahmed who owns sams chicken can also use. You can't blame them for other people not using their initiative.

However at the same time scroungers and PG aren't worlds apart. They are just people exploiting the system. However someone on benefits brings nothing to this country whereas PG creates jobs and brings in revenue.

[Kompressor]

I'm backing carpes sentiment as well. Guys like PG are responsible for people having thousands of jobs in this country and as has already been mentioned they use legal loopholes that Ahmed who owns sams chicken can also use. You can't blame them for other people not using their initiative.

However at the same time scroungers and PG aren't worlds apart. They are just people exploiting the system. However someone on benefits brings nothing to this country whereas PG creates jobs and brings in revenue.

if i was to breakdown my background and show you's my voting history you'd know i was no Young conservatives club member,

but i have to agree with this,

theres a huge difference between people bumping the system and paying less tax than they should and as said, pretty much all Business owners can do the same if they are as savvy about it.

and people who sit on their asses taking hand outs,

(i'm not talking about everyone on benefits as some people are rightly receiving them, but theres a large number who are taking the piss out of a system that is too easy to bump,