David Cameron on Tuition Fees

[Corrigan]

all these pompous cunts that are saying cutting ema and the tuition fees raise is a good thing. Would be funny if them school drop outs rob you

just cos you were from a privileged background you dont know the difference that it(ema_ makes to peoples lives

Once they cut housing benefits this country will be in turmoil

BLUNT but 100 % true

thing is i bet most of these man aint even that privileged all things considered, basically been sucked in by the papers and studied business at any bog uni and think they know whats good

smh

[MARVELL]

in the south yes some benefited

but look at the thousands of lives she destroyed in northern areas, who are still f*cked to this day

and the way in which she diminished trade unions was disgusting, it gave the average working man no/little leg to stand on when in times of trouble

and yes the gap would have been worse, labour introduced various measures such as the minimum wage, tax credits etc

these were changes the tories were against, if they wernt in place the gap would have been larger imo

lol@ these people still harking on about diminishing trade unions. get real,.

trade unions of those days were not on level with britain being a competitive country.

oooh so technology is introduced to do do things 50x faster than 50 men can..and that means getting rid of 50 men

but the whole country shoudl be held back bcos so and so's family have been traditional miners or whatever for the last 50yrs..

times change..wake up and smell the f*ck*ng coffee or you lose out.

look at how the tube unions behave.. they wanna go on strike cos they prefer cream toilet roll to white standard ones

they want triple pay on boxing day...

now they wanna stike cos oyster cards means there doesnt have to be so many staff. thats just f*ck*ng life and technology.

that is the real reason why northerners hate thatcher, but thatcher or not, it would have happened eventually they just had it coming.

music studios began to shut down left and centre sacking all staff, many who had worked there 20+ yrs,

they didnt get sh*t and had no Union to foolishly fight the inevitability of technology which we ALL embrace.

thats one of many examples of the people who are affected everyday by change and have to deal with it.

Thatcher this and that, and then labour came and allowed all of scotland and the north to wallow in f*ck*ng benefits for the rest of their lives.

thats the only reason why they hate tories....

and f*ck you too in advance.

the whole country cannot be crippled by a few people who cant change with the times

[Guest Esquilax]

Yeesh

[Ulysses]

all these pompous cunts that are saying cutting ema and the tuition fees raise is a good thing. Would be funny if them school drop outs rob you

just cos you were from a privileged background you dont know the difference that it(ema_ makes to peoples lives

Once they cut housing benefits this country will be in turmoil

BLUNT but 100 % true

thing is i bet most of these man aint even that privileged all things considered, basically been sucked in by the papers and studied business at any bog uni and think they know whats good

smh

Actually mate I study economics at a top 5 uni. I do not come from a privileged upbringing. I went to a comprehensive. Statistically speaking I should not be where I am today.

I do care about the general welfare of the british working class, I just feel the tax and spend policies of previous labour governments have not had a substantive effect on anything.

'Hand-ups not hand-outs'. Why should the government rob peter to pay paul. Your sense of entitlement is astonishing.

Why should you feel like you are entitled to a high rate of housing benefit, EMAs. Its like you lot have your head in the sand and have failed to acknowledge why there needs to be cuts.

Can your intellect fathom a reason for a cut in government expenditure other than the government are heartless bastards?

Money alone will not improve the lot of underprivileged people, what improves the pecuniary status of people from the working class is; hard-work, determination, a hunger for education etc. etc.

I'm not asian, but I rate some indian people; In the sixties and seventies they came to the U.K. penniless, a few decades later they are now solidly middle-class. Bangladeshis and Pakistanis also arrived with them but have not in any way become as financially successful as Indians. Again chinese people; Chinese students as an ethnicity have the best grades in the country. Many of their parents started out with nothing. Now ask yourself, what did the government do ,(EMA, Tax-credit, other redistributive form of wealth) to help them achieve this?

[Guest Awesome Kong]

bruv im no economist but simple economics tells you too many cuts in a time of recession more often results in a double-dip recession

Cuts are needed, yes.

But tories are cutting with no foresight, they are going to f*ck this country up in the long run

the gap between rich and poor increased because there was a period of economic boom which allowed the rich to get much richer

it would have been much worse under thee tories

and it's not a tribal hatred, if you study political history in this country it's common knowledge the tories don't help normal people, this has been the case since parliament took the main powers of governance from the monarchy. Im definitely looking at the facts

It would have been much worse under the tories? Really? You have consulted some witchdoctor and he told you this?

Tories don't help normal people? What would account for their electoral success? Even thatcher had bare working class people voting for her, she helped to get many of them on the housing ladder. I think what people seem to forget is the mess Labour leaves behind. Before Thatcher under Labour, the country had a three-day week, the country had to get a loan from the IMF, power shortages (people were using candlelight), the Winter of Discontent (gravediggers and waste collectors going on strike) high inflation (which is always a tax on the poor) etc. You think 'Normal' people didn't benefit from her reforms?

She f*cked up the housing for future generations tbh. Tories are waste.

[Guest Awesome Kong]

in the south yes some benefited

but look at the thousands of lives she destroyed in northern areas, who are still f*cked to this day

and the way in which she diminished trade unions was disgusting, it gave the average working man no/little leg to stand on when in times of trouble

and yes the gap would have been worse, labour introduced various measures such as the minimum wage, tax credits etc

these were changes the tories were against, if they wernt in place the gap would have been larger imo

Anti-Thatcherites will always point towards the her closing down the old industries in northern areas. (She didn’t, of course: she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.) It must surely be obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of deindustrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of “reviving our manufacturing base” are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP. The way in which she diminished trade union was good for the country as whole, they could no longer hold this country to ransom. How many of you get pissed with the RMT, and Bob Crow? these situations would certainly be a lot worse without her reforms.

Why didn't the bitch help set up a good form of retraining since she wanted to close everything and destroy the unions?

WE COULD HAVE CONTINUED TO BE A STRONG MANUFACTURING COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY IN THE AEROSPACE INDUSTRY BUT THE BITCH "DID NO WANT."

First ever person to give ratings to the slag lol.

[Ulysses]

in the south yes some benefited

but look at the thousands of lives she destroyed in northern areas, who are still f*cked to this day

and the way in which she diminished trade unions was disgusting, it gave the average working man no/little leg to stand on when in times of trouble

and yes the gap would have been worse, labour introduced various measures such as the minimum wage, tax credits etc

these were changes the tories were against, if they wernt in place the gap would have been larger imo

Anti-Thatcherites will always point towards the her closing down the old industries in northern areas. (She didn’t, of course: she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.) It must surely be obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of deindustrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of “reviving our manufacturing base” are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP. The way in which she diminished trade union was good for the country as whole, they could no longer hold this country to ransom. How many of you get pissed with the RMT, and Bob Crow? these situations would certainly be a lot worse without her reforms.

Why didn't the bitch help set up a good form of retraining since she wanted to close everything and destroy the unions?

WE COULD HAVE CONTINUED TO BE A STRONG MANUFACTURING COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY IN THE AEROSPACE INDUSTRY BUT THE BITCH "DID NO WANT."

First ever person to give ratings to the slag lol.

The unions destroyed themselves with their intransigence. There is a reasonably strong aerospace industry in this country, ie. BAE, Rolls-Royce etc. So all those miners are

suddenly going to become Aeronautical engineers?

I giver her ratings because I realise how shitty this country was before she came to power (because of the aforementioned examples) compared to when she left.

[Guest Awesome Kong]

Oh really? So we will be making more aircraft in the forth coming years then yeah? BAe still have a stake in Airbus yeah? There hasn't been job cuts in this industry, no?

SMH,

/

Some companies look after their staff and will retrain them so they can still be kept on but focus on another part of the business. Can you say Thatcher encouraged companies to so this? It's all good saying this that and the other, but when people lose their jobs how will they get an income?

[Ulysses]

Oh really? So we will be making more aircraft in the forth coming years then yeah? BAe still have a stake in Airbus yeah? There hasn't been job cuts in this industry, no?

SMH,

/

Some companies look after their staff and will retrain them so they can still be kept on but focus on another part of the business. Can you say Thatcher encouraged companies to so this? It's all good saying this that and the other, but when people lose their jobs how will they get an income?

You're right Thatcher could have done more to revive the north.

BAE sold their stake in Airbus in 2006, under a Labour govt. That is irrelevant anyway, BAE is a publicly traded company (ie it offers securities for sale to the general public.), the government cannot interere in how its management runs its business. So if there a job cuts, that is a decision taken by the company's management and not the government.

On the second point, Thatcher cut tax aggressively in most areas, that most certainly would have encouraged companies to take that course of action.

Listen, i'm not a callous person. And the remedial solutions were certainly painful. But the period of stagflation before she took office would have been a lot more painful for the working class if it were not remedied.

Think about it see what is happening with Greece today with the IMF? That was the UK in 1976.

The UK had a 3-day week, can you imagine that? Working just Monday-Wednesday to save energy. Some long weekend though!

Power cuts. People would actually come home and have to use candlelight.

Britain was described by everyone as the 'sick man of europe'

Irresponsible and intransigent trade unions that made the UK the most uncompetitive economy in Europe. The winter of discontent was one of the main reasons Thatcher came to power, so you have the unions to thank for that!

Double-digit inflation. The worst kind of tax on low-income people. I remember an anecdote I was told of how pension funds in the seventies would buy art and fine wine, because of rising prices, otherwise if they were just left in sterling their value would have just been eaten away.

[Ulysses]

PENG TING!!!!!!

[MARVELL]

lol @ asnwering justin, sometimes its inconceivable that he even attended college talkless of a uni

but anyway, the UK's loss of engineering and manufacturing had NOTHING to do with thatcher really, it was inevitable

the cost of manufacturing in the UK is and was 5x more expensive than japan/china/taiwan

and 3x more than it even cost in europe

plus, our apprenticeship scheme for engineering/manufacturing companies is useless.

German companies have compulsory apprenticeships and vocational work that continues to train new generations of innovation

how many people on this forum study engineering? maybe just one!!

how many study Media, "business" admin, Multimedia, oh and the Big one.....MUSIC TECHNOLOGY! yet i dont see british music tech companies producing SHEEEIT

all your cubases, rolands, yamahas, behringers etc...all made in asia and germany.

so dont blame Thatcher for what Globalisation dictated.

and whats annoying is when some f*ck*ng idiot thinks because i voted tory then im some lord or blueblood.

end of the day, a hardworking person will be able to succeed in life and provide for his family wether labour or tories are in power.

and dont come with that hypocritical bullshit talking about how you "feel" for working class britain when britains wealth was built on the sweat of others.

go volunteer with Vinspired and work in Asia, Africa or south america if you're really concerned about redistribution of wealth

as for the little ends i make over here...dont f*ck*ng tell me that some govt needs to redistribute it to some benefit scrounger

or someone who cannot make use of the amazing avenues of free training and opportunities available in this country

when you have people walking deserts and swimming with sharks JUST to be able to get in here.

[Guest Awesome Kong]

Marvell who?

/waste man

/

Uylsses I get a few of your points & it is true about the 2006 selling. I'm off to work so will come back later to discuss this topic further.

[Skenghis Khan]

SMH at these guys backing thatcher.

woman has blood on her hands.

/

jack has his head screwed on still.

positives.

[Guest WAVESURFER]

SMH at these guys backing thatcher.

woman has blood on her hands.

/

jack has his head screwed on still.

positives.

c/s

Good to see a younger guy with his mind right.

If you lot defending Thatcher are black then SMH & LOL. "Top 5 Uni" students or not, you're f*ck*ng lost.

[Guest Waka Flocka Dave]

tories also trying to make it easier for people to get sacked without ending up in court

ill try find the story

[Ulysses]

lol @ asnwering justin, sometimes its inconceivable that he even attended college talkless of a uni

but anyway, the UK's loss of engineering and manufacturing had NOTHING to do with thatcher really, it was inevitable

the cost of manufacturing in the UK is and was 5x more expensive than japan/china/taiwan

and 3x more than it even cost in europe

plus, our apprenticeship scheme for engineering/manufacturing companies is useless.

German companies have compulsory apprenticeships and vocational work that continues to train new generations of innovation

how many people on this forum study engineering? maybe just one!!

how many study Media, "business" admin, Multimedia, oh and the Big one.....MUSIC TECHNOLOGY! yet i dont see british music tech companies producing SHEEEIT

all your cubases, rolands, yamahas, behringers etc...all made in asia and germany.

so dont blame Thatcher for what Globalisation dictated.

and whats annoying is when some f*ck*ng idiot thinks because i voted tory then im some lord or blueblood.

end of the day, a hardworking person will be able to succeed in life and provide for his family wether labour or tories are in power.

and dont come with that hypocritical bullshit talking about how you "feel" for working class britain when britains wealth was built on the sweat of others.

go volunteer with Vinspired and work in Asia, Africa or south america if you're really concerned about redistribution of wealth

as for the little ends i make over here...dont f*ck*ng tell me that some govt needs to redistribute it to some benefit scrounger

or someone who cannot make use of the amazing avenues of free training and opportunities available in this country

when you have people walking deserts and swimming with sharks JUST to be able to get in here.

I am in agreement.

[Ulysses]

SMH at these guys backing thatcher.

woman has blood on her hands.

/

jack has his head screwed on still.

positives.

c/s

Good to see a younger guy with his mind right.

If you lot defending Thatcher are black then SMH & LOL. "Top 5 Uni" students or not, you're f*ck*ng lost.

Why are we lost? Look at the facts and stop being emotional and making ad hominem attacks. Refute anything we have said with logic and facts. But you know you can't do that so you resort to emotive retorts.

Why is it wrong to defend Thatcher if we are black? Even if she were the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, you can still recognise and respect her achievements.

You are the same people that will continue to vote Diane Abbott and David Lammy, knowing fully well that they are politcially inept and useless, knowing fully well that the Labour party will never give them a major ministerial position.

Woman has blood on her hands? As much as Blair or Brown or even Harold Wilson? See how he fully supported Nigeria's genocidal ambitions against Biafra. At least Thatcher fought wars worth fighting, She was on the winning side of the Cold War, and she f*cked the Argies. Also she took on a 'real' terrorist organisation and not just some idea. (cough, cough "War on terror")

All this being said you will myopically continue to vote Labour despite their shortcomings. And Labour will continue to take your vote for granted. Or maybe not since your Idea of good government is how much 'free' sh*t a government can give you.

[Guest WAVESURFER]

I'll respond however I want to respond bro, this isn't an exam and I don't know who the f*ck you are, so Im not gonna waste my time dissecting your posts.

I'd rather just neg and keep it moving, Jas and the rest of them can reply to you. They're doing a decent job so far.

[Yuri]

all these pompous cunts that are saying cutting ema and the tuition fees raise is a good thing. Would be funny if them school drop outs rob you

just cos you were from a privileged background you dont know the difference that it(ema_ makes to peoples lives

Once they cut housing benefits this country will be in turmoil

BLUNT but 100 % true

thing is i bet most of these man aint even that privileged all things considered, basically been sucked in by the papers and studied business at any bog uni and think they know whats good

smh

Actually mate I study economics at a top 5 uni. I do not come from a privileged upbringing. I went to a comprehensive. Statistically speaking I should not be where I am today.

I do care about the general welfare of the british working class, I just feel the tax and spend policies of previous labour governments have not had a substantive effect on anything.

'Hand-ups not hand-outs'. Why should the government rob peter to pay paul. Your sense of entitlement is astonishing.

Why should you feel like you are entitled to a high rate of housing benefit, EMAs. Its like you lot have your head in the sand and have failed to acknowledge why there needs to be cuts.

Can your intellect fathom a reason for a cut in government expenditure other than the government are heartless bastards?

Money alone will not improve the lot of underprivileged people, what improves the pecuniary status of people from the working class is; hard-work, determination, a hunger for education etc. etc.

I'm not asian, but I rate some indian people; In the sixties and seventies they came to the U.K. penniless, a few decades later they are now solidly middle-class. Bangladeshis and Pakistanis also arrived with them but have not in any way become as financially successful as Indians. Again chinese people; Chinese students as an ethnicity have the best grades in the country. Many of their parents started out with nothing. Now ask yourself, what did the government do ,(EMA, Tax-credit, other redistributive form of wealth) to help them achieve this?

So true

Every bit of it

too many faggots people complaining and making ecuses about their position meanwhile guys like me just get on with it and get it in

[Skenghis Khan]

At least Thatcher fought wars worth fighting, She was on the winning side of the Cold War, and she f*cked the Argies. Also she took on a 'real' terrorist organisation

are u serious?

smh.

my 'blood on her hands' comment was in regards to northern ireland, she and her government handled it terribly and the troubles escalated as a direct result. she took n.ireland to the brink of civil war.

the comment was also specifically in regards to the 1981 hunger strikes.

but maybe her refusal to back sanctions against the apartheid regime in S.africa and her branding of the ANC as a terrorist group will speak more loudly for you.

[The King]

all these pompous cunts that are saying cutting ema and the tuition fees raise is a good thing. Would be funny if them school drop outs rob you

just cos you were from a privileged background you dont know the difference that it(ema_ makes to peoples lives

Once they cut housing benefits this country will be in turmoil

BLUNT but 100 % true

thing is i bet most of these man aint even that privileged all things considered, basically been sucked in by the papers and studied business at any bog uni and think they know whats good

smh

Actually mate I study economics at a top 5 uni. I do not come from a privileged upbringing. I went to a comprehensive. Statistically speaking I should not be where I am today.

I do care about the general welfare of the british working class, I just feel the tax and spend policies of previous labour governments have not had a substantive effect on anything.

'Hand-ups not hand-outs'. Why should the government rob peter to pay paul. Your sense of entitlement is astonishing.

Why should you feel like you are entitled to a high rate of housing benefit, EMAs. Its like you lot have your head in the sand and have failed to acknowledge why there needs to be cuts.

Can your intellect fathom a reason for a cut in government expenditure other than the government are heartless bastards?

Money alone will not improve the lot of underprivileged people, what improves the pecuniary status of people from the working class is; hard-work, determination, a hunger for education etc. etc.

I'm not asian, but I rate some indian people; In the sixties and seventies they came to the U.K. penniless, a few decades later they are now solidly middle-class. Bangladeshis and Pakistanis also arrived with them but have not in any way become as financially successful as Indians. Again chinese people; Chinese students as an ethnicity have the best grades in the country. Many of their parents started out with nothing. Now ask yourself, what did the government do ,(EMA, Tax-credit, other redistributive form of wealth) to help them achieve this?

So true

Every bit of it.

Esp. the red.

[Ulysses]

At least Thatcher fought wars worth fighting, She was on the winning side of the Cold War, and she f*cked the Argies. Also she took on a 'real' terrorist organisation

but maybe her refusal to back sanctions against the apartheid regime in S.africa and her branding of the ANC as a terrorist group will speak more loudly for you.

Yeah you are right she was wrong. Even though she was looking through cold-war lenses she was wrong. I can't defend her on that.

[Guest Awesome Kong]

SMH at these guys backing thatcher.

woman has blood on her hands.

/

jack has his head screwed on still.

positives.

c/s

Good to see a younger guy with his mind right.

If you lot defending Thatcher are black then SMH & LOL. "Top 5 Uni" students or not, you're f*ck*ng lost.

Why are we lost? Look at the facts and stop being emotional and making ad hominem attacks. Refute anything we have said with logic and facts. But you know you can't do that so you resort to emotive retorts.

Why is it wrong to defend Thatcher if we are black? Even if she were the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, you can still recognise and respect her achievements.

You are the same people that will continue to vote Diane Abbott and David Lammy, knowing fully well that they are politcially inept and useless, knowing fully well that the Labour party will never give them a major ministerial position.

Woman has blood on her hands? As much as Blair or Brown or even Harold Wilson? See how he fully supported Nigeria's genocidal ambitions against Biafra. At least Thatcher fought wars worth fighting, She was on the winning side of the Cold War, and she f*cked the Argies. Also she took on a 'real' terrorist organisation and not just some idea. (cough, cough "War on terror")

All this being said you will myopically continue to vote Labour despite their shortcomings. And Labour will continue to take your vote for granted. Or maybe not since your Idea of good government is how much 'free' sh*t a government can give you.

Sorry mate but the wars she brought us in were pointless. Why the hell are they gonna go ALL THE WAY to the Falklands??? Only to show military strength. I admire the technology we had with the Harrier GR mk3 and the Sea Harrier, but look what happened to them two aircraft, we BOUGHT the later Harrier GR mk7 from America.... W|E BOUGHT THEM.............WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

[Corrigan]

SMH at these guys backing thatcher.

woman has blood on her hands.

/

jack has his head screwed on still.

positives.

c/s

Good to see a younger guy with his mind right.

If you lot defending Thatcher are black then SMH & LOL. "Top 5 Uni" students or not, you're f*ck*ng lost.

and yet they call me a stupid f*ck*ng prick because i use the internet for a laugh sometimes

/

tbh all else im going to say to these guys now is "you'll see", cos this argument can go on forever. One thing i will say is right-wing economists are always blind to the social implications of there actions

carpe saying "i can't condone education cuts"

next it will be NHS, then housing, then social security etc

u man bought a ticket for the right-wing propaganda train, peak for all of us really

[Guest Awesome Kong]

At least Thatcher fought wars worth fighting, She was on the winning side of the Cold War, and she f*cked the Argies. Also she took on a 'real' terrorist organisation

are u serious?

smh.

my 'blood on her hands' comment was in regards to northern ireland, she and her government handled it terribly and the troubles escalated as a direct result. she took n.ireland to the brink of civil war.

the comment was also specifically in regards to the 1981 hunger strikes.

but maybe her refusal to back sanctions against the apartheid regime in S.africa and her branding of the ANC as a terrorist group will speak more loudly for you.

This