Rant

[Rsonist]

I'm getting rather pissed-off by all the Spurs chat from non-Spurs supporters, and mainly Arsenal fans. apparently, a team which has finished 5th 2 years in a row and are in the process of strengthening even further are deluded for thinking they can break into the top 4.Meanwhile, the ones who are instantly dismissing the possibility of an Arsenal team that has sold all it's most influential players over the last 2 years (most notably their entire left-hand side of Cole-Pires-Henry which was probably responsible for at least 60 goals and assists per season), not yet done anything to remedy the situation, and have been in gradual decline since 2004, continuing their decline by finishing outside the top 4 (admittedly for the first time in eons), these are the logical rational thinkers? do me a favour! So Arsenal's kids reached the Carling Cup Final, congrats, but that doesn't automatically turn them into indestructible Brazil 1970-type world-beaters does it? Berbatov could very well suffer from 2nd-season syndrome, could he? well sure he could, but then we now have 3 other goalscorers at the club. we're a laughing-stock for overspending on Bent? Yet Arsenal continue to under-spend on Tibetian, Congolese, and Madagascarian youngsters.Why are the same people warning against Berbatov's supposedly impending 2nd season syndrom the same ones telling us to watch out for Van Persie and Adebayor next season? Why is our defence labelled as shambolic and theirs good, when over the last 2 seasons, we have lost 21 games in the league, compared to their 19. this is a team that is SO vastly superior compared to us, that, even at their most vulnerable stage in years, we stand no chance of overtaking them? Seems to me that people are searching for all the reasons why we can't, while conveniently ignoring all the reasons that we can. Which strikes me as rather stupid.

[Gundam]

Berbatov is going to destroy the premeriship next year. He's clocked that he's better than 95% of the players on the pitch.Quote this at the end of the season if he doesn't.ANDWe will pushing for top 4 defo. No more slip ups.

[Turkish]

The reason a lot of Arsenal fans dismiss the idea of Spurs finishing ahead of us is cause the past 2 years Arsenal have had below then average seasons whereas Tottenham have exceeded expectations. This is not to say its right to wave off the potential threat of Tottenham on the top 4 but still when compared (imo) Arsenals team should be strong enough to finish comfortably ahead of Tottenhams.Its just talk to get on the other sets of fans nerves and really Tottenham do have a chance to jump into the top four. But a common theme is that it is always Arsenal that have to drop out the top four in Tottenham fans opinions but why is it never Liverpool? Who finished on the same points as us last season (dont say cause Henry's gone cause he was absent for most of last season).Really only Arsenal fans watch our youngsters a lot to make a judgement on them yet a lot of other fans tend to say their sh*t or they are gonna be another flop without justification so by pure reflex Arsenal fans of course will defend them and state key moments that have shown the talent some of our youngsters have showed (Carling Cup).I'll add more to it but just wanna see the reply R.

[Rsonist]

It's going to be very interesting, and if Arsenal finish above us at the end of the season, then I'll stand corrected, and take it on the chin. But surely Arsenal fans can see the reasons why we are so confident going into this new season, christ, look at some of the sh*t we have had to endure in the last 10 years, when you lot were peaking. And now it is evident (reasons labelled in my first post) that we are vastly improving, and arsenal are declining.And i really cannot see how in your opinion, that arsenal will COMFORTABLY finish ahead of us....thats not feasable in my mind due to numerous factors.

[The Infamous]

The reason a lot of Arsenal fans dismiss the idea of Spurs finishing ahead of us is cause the past 2 years Arsenal have had below then average seasons whereas Tottenham have exceeded expectations. This is not to say its right to wave off the potential threat of Tottenham on the top 4 but still when compared (imo) Arsenals team should be strong enough to finish comfortably ahead of Tottenhams.Its just talk to get on the other sets of fans nerves and really Tottenham do have a chance to jump into the top four. But a common theme is that it is always Arsenal that have to drop out the top four in Tottenham fans opinions but why is it never Liverpool? Who finished on the same points as us last season (dont say cause Henry's gone cause he was absent for most of last season).Really only Arsenal fans watch our youngsters a lot to make a judgement on them yet a lot of other fans tend to say their sh*t or they are gonna be another flop without justification so by pure reflex Arsenal fans of course will defend them and state key moments that have shown the talent some of our youngsters have showed (Carling Cup).I'll add more to it but just wanna see the reply R.

Well done we played reserve players for our last 8 gamesRound of applause for Arsenal everybody round of applause

[Pegasus Kid]

How you going to take anything an Arsenal fan says about Spurs to heart? Wasted

[Pegasus Kid]

How you going to take anything an Arsenal fan says about Spurs to heart? Wasted

[qks]

The reason a lot of Arsenal fans dismiss the idea of Spurs finishing ahead of us is cause the past 2 years Arsenal have had below then average seasons whereas Tottenham have exceeded expectations. This is not to say its right to wave off the potential threat of Tottenham on the top 4 but still when compared (imo) Arsenals team should be strong enough to finish comfortably ahead of Tottenhams.Its just talk to get on the other sets of fans nerves and really Tottenham do have a chance to jump into the top four. But a common theme is that it is always Arsenal that have to drop out the top four in Tottenham fans opinions but why is it never Liverpool? Who finished on the same points as us last season (dont say cause Henry's gone cause he was absent for most of last season).Really only Arsenal fans watch our youngsters a lot to make a judgement on them yet a lot of other fans tend to say their sh*t or they are gonna be another flop without justification so by pure reflex Arsenal fans of course will defend them and state key moments that have shown the talent some of our youngsters have showed (Carling Cup).I'll add more to it but just wanna see the reply R.

Well done we played reserve players for our last 8 gamesRound of applause for Arsenal everybody round of applause

excuseson the subject of younger yes we may have lost some of our older more experience playes more than what u have mentioned ,u seem to have forgotten that arsenals young players are only going to get better when they play more and more its not a quick fix to the problem at arsenal but wenger seems to have some planin short spurs are improving but so are arsenalyour defence is soild wen king is playing but he has become darren anderton mkII im not saying arsenals is much better we have both had injury problemsanother thing u need to rember is who is managing each club and be perfectly honest here is jol on wengers level?

[Doom]

Spurs have done well over the last few years, however as long as Jol is at the helm i dont think spurs will get into the top 4, some of his tactical changes in between matches and team selection is shocking.Spurs will def. pose a threat - maybe the reason we dont take spurs seriously is that the matches between the two sides have been relatively one sided. After all you haven't beaten us since 99.

[Rsonist]

qks, to say that arsenal are improving is absurd. You have failed to reach expectations for the last 2 seasons, and have showed visable frailties during the last 2 seasons, ones you have not shown before throughout the late nineties and into this decade.And of course Jol aint on the same stature as wenger, but like the team, wenger has shown uncharacteristic flaws in the last 2 seasons that have severely hindered your team. And this will be his last season with arsenal imo.And Doom, that derby is in the past, im talking about the future, we could easily beat you at some point next season, all records gotta come to an end. Sunderland havent beaten Newcastle at home since 1980, you dont see the Geordies going on bout that, well im sure you do, but stats like that are irrelevant to the topic in hand.

[Guest the_truth_hurts]

my 2 pence don't care if you want to hear it or not. Top 4 teams need to get points off each other and spurs seem to freeze in big games, Bar Chelsea can't remember the last big 4 team you lot beat. Arsenal don't have that problem nor do liverpool. Did you lot beat newcastle last season?! anyway back on topic Tottenham do get some good results and have a first team and squad capable of being in the top 4 but to make the top 4 your gonna have to be getting at leat 10 points of Man u, chelsea, pool and arsenal next season.

[Black]

You know what arsenal fans are just feeling the heat, they can see us behind them and they know we can get fourth or better.

[qks]

qks, to say that arsenal are improving is absurd. You have failed to reach expectations for the last 2 seasons, and have showed visable frailties during the last 2 seasons, ones you have not shown before throughout the late nineties and into this decade.And of course Jol aint on the same stature as wenger, but like the team, wenger has shown uncharacteristic flaws in the last 2 seasons that have severely hindered your team. And this will be his last season with arsenal imo.And Doom, that derby is in the past, im talking about the future, we could easily beat you at some point next season, all records gotta come to an end. Sunderland havent beaten Newcastle at home since 1980, you dont see the Geordies going on bout that, well im sure you do, but stats like that are irrelevant to the topic in hand.

we have not met expectaions but we are still improving the young players are only going to get better correct?if we have a decent amount of luck with injuries people like rvp and gallas staying fit we will score more of the 50 chances we make a match while looking a bit more solid at the back the next season will be inresting but i dont think spurs will catch up to arsenal.you do also need to take into acount arsenal still can strengthen there squad

[Buc Nasty]

my 2 pence don't care if you want to hear it or not. Top 4 teams need to get points off each other and spurs seem to freeze in big games, Bar Chelsea can't remember the last big 4 team you lot beat. Arsenal don't have that problem nor do liverpool.

Exactly.I don't know if any of you saw that mini-league thing that sky do between the top 4, but if you have you would've seen arsenal on top. It's the lesser teams we struggle against and once we sort out that problem then we'll most definatley be challenging for the title. On the other hand (as someone pointed out earlier), how the hell are the spuds overtaking us when they haven't beaten us since last century or rarely win against the 'big' teams? just the rare shock win.

[M.Dot]

That mini league only exposes how sh*t we are against the poorer teams in the premiership.

[Rsonist]

No one said Spurs have overtaken arsenal, and the derby is irrelevant to the topic in hand.Arsenal fans replys in this topic have just backed up what i initially thought and posted -

Seems to me that people are searching for all the reasons why we can't, while conveniently ignoring all the reasons that we can. Which strikes me as rather stupid

[TF/S4DK]

If I'm truely honest, Spurs will probably beat us this season at their ground, however in regards to the league untill its mathmatically proven I dont fear Spurs finishing above us in the league, the idea is laughable infact.

[TF/S4DK]

I think my thing is Jol has had time and money, yet hasnt built a very good team team with good squad players and a couple world class players in it. All I see is a good squad, good team and two class players.Arsenal had and will always have a very good team.I just think Jol is happy with being 5th.

[Rsonist]

How do Tottenham have a good team.Yet arsenal still in your mind have a "very good team".What the f*ck?!Certain fans proccess of thinking in this thread is very strange.TF in your heart of hearts you see the threat and your own team falling to bits, and cant man up and admit to what is blatently obvious.

[Pegasus Kid]

Spurs are on the up and Arsenal are "rebuilding". You can't deny that. Today, the Spurs squad is better than the Arsenal squad. And it is playing together better.

[Turkish]

Spurs are on the up and Arsenal are "rebuilding". You can't deny that. Today, the Spurs squad is better than the Arsenal squad. And it is playing together better.

Spurs are on the up and Arsenal are rebuilding but there squad is not better then ours. And what did you base them playing better together on? I remember us playing great together last year just lacked finishing.

[Pegasus Kid]

Passing the ball sideways 35 times and not even getting into the penalty box isn't playing great football. Spurs play brilliant football, and have end product. And the Arsenal squad is pretty f*cking average when you take out Henry and Reyes.

[qks]

eh?did u watch arsenal at all last season we create bare chance each game just we cudnt finish and bare goal keepers were on some superman flexand consider how henry was playing last season wen he was fit and we never had reyes

[Turkish]

Passing the ball sideways 35 times and not even getting into the penalty box isn't playing great football. Spurs play brilliant football, and have end product. And the Arsenal squad is pretty f*cking average when you take out Henry and Reyes.

Did you watch us last season or are you just assuming? We played good football and well together, we made many many chances but our finishing was dreadful. Spurs play brilliant football and have a end product yet we scored more goals then them in a season branded as awful by everyone.Well we played last year without Reyes for the whole season and Henry for only half the games and we still finished top 4 so if we are average what does that make the 5th place team? Surely not a team that play brilliant football and have an end product.

[8BALL]

Spurs are on the up and Arsenal are "rebuilding". You can't deny that. Today, the Spurs squad is better than the Arsenal squad. And it is playing together better.

There is NO way that this can be justified before the upcoming season.At all.If we are going to make statements about whos better Arsenal or Tottenham right now then all the facts say Arsenal are the better team.