I swear black music is pissed

[Da Luv Doc]

Electro gets BARE watered down. They put those shitty mersh vocals on top of the big club tunes and put them out on daytime radio.

But that ain't really watering down if you add a vocal.Though "hands up" & "Shining star" are better with only the instrumentals

[Numero001]

You guys talk like good US pop songs sell over here

[Da Luv Doc]

You guys talk like good US pop songs sell over here

I'm talking about black music in general, refer to what I mention in my first post

[TF/S4DK]

You know I was speechless at Ashman's comments cos it was near to actually being well thought out, dont get me wrong there was the usual ignorance but it was close to sensible.

[Brukfoot]

are you talking about black music or uk black music ?

[TF/S4DK]

Also to explain my point that I said early that I have no problem with white people being at the focal point, but I do however think once it gets white people at EVERY level a problem arises...This is true story...Lemar wants to do soul music instead of middle of the road radio songs, his label wont let him cos their "isn't a market for them", however they let Joss Stone & see Amy Winehouse doing it & selling more units than Lemar...

[Carpe_Deum]

You guys talk like good US pop songs sell over here

those that do DO. the biggest Rnb/HH stars there sell well here too so ur point is what exactly?

[cola]

I think you killed it yourselves.There was once a time when music was called MUSIC and that is when you could walk into a rave, get a massive buzz from the song playing and everyone would be on the same vibe black people, white people, asian people and all the people would mix well..Once people started calling it "black music" and segregated the music then people started going on about "white people" and how they are trying to take over the music etc. it made white people wanna prove a point and get more involved in the music that we have loved for so long.I dont understand black people at times. They moan about racism and they moan if a white man speaks patios saying it is not right.After everything man kind has been though, black people should be proud that we want to get involved with the music they made possible. They should be proud that we try and mix culture and try learn your language.I really dont understand it at times.Music is dying because it became a colour.. music was better when it was a feeling that everyone shared.

If only that were true. Music has never been called music, due to white people causing the problems. White people didn't accept 'black music' until they saw a white face do it. Elvis's songs were rnb hits that never crossed over because they were originally recorded by a black person. White people used to think Elvis was black until he was on tv. The music industry is a racist one. A very racist one, it started racist. Lets not forget its only 25 years ago that Black people were allowed on MTV. 1982, when Michael Jackson forced them to play his videos. You cant put it all on Elvis, he is one individual, he had no creative control. But he is one of the biggest examples of race issues in the music industry. He said so himself his music is rhythm and blues soul gospel songs, he grew up going into the gospel churches fascinated by the music. LuLu's song shout was originally an Isley Brothers song, but never got celebration until a white person did it. But they were looking for a WHITE FACE who did black music. And thats the truth.Aresnio Hall said to Vanilla Ice, that his fanbase were not buying rap music until they saw a vanilla face on the cover.Its easy to say music is one, but thats not the case. Its easy to tell people the past is the past, but thats not the case either. We are living in ripples of the past. Look around you! You cant turn a blind eye to it and say its just black people being moany.

[Libertine]

start making songs like 'let's stay together' again and you'll be fine

[TF/S4DK]

cola as much as I agree with you... Thats the past.In US in regards to music, black is/was the sh*t...US has gone in decline thru the dumbing down and idocy.The UK embraced what was happening Stateside, but see when Eminem come out in US and you had this influx of regional white emcees, that where suppose to go national but didnt... Here the UK just ran with the white is better policy.To keep it all the way real, UK urban is currently dead cos Example & Pro Green haven't sold no CDs and Mike Skinner hasnt put out a album this year and you've got industry people telling black kids what they need to rap about to be succesful and they problem with act XYZ is "they dont play the game enough"...

[Numero001]

You guys talk like good US pop songs sell over here

those that do DO. the biggest Rnb/HH stars there sell well here too so ur point is what exactly?

I think theres most probably about 4/5 big urb*n stars that sell over here, singles wise, hardly anyone sells here unless you crossover.My point is certain people can sell out concerts but cant get a top 20 and they are people that make good popular music for the yute dem. Look at Buy U A Drank, think you was gone by them times, but that song never made top 10 but got everyone up dancing at the MOBOsEDIT According to wiki, it never even charted

[Carpe_Deum]

You guys talk like good US pop songs sell over here

those that do DO. the biggest Rnb/HH stars there sell well here too so ur point is what exactly?

I think theres most probably about 4/5 big urb*n stars that sell over here, singles wise, hardly anyone sells here unless you crossover.My point is certain people can sell out concerts but cant get a top 20 and they are people that make good popular music for the yute dem. Look at Buy U A Drank, think you was gone by them times, but that song never made top 10 but got everyone up dancing at the MOBOsEDIT According to wiki, it never even charted

ur talking alot of fraff. how many times a month/week do you follow the UK album charts? do u know every american black music act who has made the UK charts? just cos an american thats not in your "4/5 big urban stars that sell over there" (which is baitly gonna be eminem, 50, beyonce, kanye, and one other) does not mean there arent many other american Rn/b, HH, Jazz, artists who make the charts. for example, when herbie hancock's release came out last yr or so it was on the UK charts, but would you know that? i doubt you ever had anyone like him in mind. did ray charles album not make the charts? jamie foxx? how many have i got to now? thats 7 just at the top of my head, the most recent UK album charts have 9 american RnB/HH actswith only mark ronson and amy winehouse 'reppin' UK urban music and he's more american anyways..so thats just amy. RNB/HH accounts for at least 10% of the UK market which is a conservative estimate. but out of that 10%..... 90% of the sales would be american artists,

[Guest mattthernbsinger]

You guys talk like good US pop songs sell over here

those that do DO. the biggest Rnb/HH stars there sell well here too so ur point is what exactly?

I think theres most probably about 4/5 big urb*n stars that sell over here, singles wise, hardly anyone sells here unless you crossover.My point is certain people can sell out concerts but cant get a top 20 and they are people that make good popular music for the yute dem. Look at Buy U A Drank, think you was gone by them times, but that song never made top 10 but got everyone up dancing at the MOBOsEDIT According to wiki, it never even charted

ur talking alot of fraff. how many times a month/week do you follow the UK album charts? do u know every american black music act who has made the UK charts? just cos an american thats not in your "4/5 big urban stars that sell over there" (which is baitly gonna be eminem, 50, beyonce, kanye, and one other) does not mean there arent many other american Rn/b, HH, Jazz, artists who make the charts. for example, when herbie hancock's release came out last yr or so it was on the UK charts, but would you know that? i doubt you ever had anyone like him in mind. did ray charles album not make the charts? jamie foxx? how many have i got to now? thats 7 just at the top of my head, the most recent UK album charts have 9 american RnB/HH actswith only mark ronson and amy winehouse 'reppin' UK urban music and he's more american anyways..so thats just amy. RNB/HH accounts for at least 10% of the UK market which is a conservative estimate. but out of that 10%..... 90% of the sales would be american artists,

topic ended.Carpe actually speaks with real talk.

[Libertine]

I wouldnt classify winehouse as urban

[JLovely]

I wouldnt classify winehouse as urban

Urban equaling what?And what would you classify her as?

[Libertine]

I wouldnt classify winehouse as urban

And what would you classify her as?

simply pop

[Carpe_Deum]

I wouldnt classify winehouse as urban

she won a mobo!!!!!

[JLovely]

I wouldnt classify winehouse as urban

And what would you classify her as?

simply pop

My previous question needs answering, lol

[JLovely]

I class Amy Winehouse as Ska/Jazz/RnB inspired pop.

[Numero001]

You guys talk like good US pop songs sell over here

those that do DO. the biggest Rnb/HH stars there sell well here too so ur point is what exactly?

I think theres most probably about 4/5 big urb*n stars that sell over here, singles wise, hardly anyone sells here unless you crossover.My point is certain people can sell out concerts but cant get a top 20 and they are people that make good popular music for the yute dem. Look at Buy U A Drank, think you was gone by them times, but that song never made top 10 but got everyone up dancing at the MOBOsEDIT According to wiki, it never even charted

ur talking alot of fraff. how many times a month/week do you follow the UK album charts? do u know every american black music act who has made the UK charts? just cos an american thats not in your "4/5 big urban stars that sell over there" (which is baitly gonna be eminem, 50, beyonce, kanye, and one other) does not mean there arent many other american Rn/b, HH, Jazz, artists who make the charts. for example, when herbie hancock's release came out last yr or so it was on the UK charts, but would you know that? i doubt you ever had anyone like him in mind. did ray charles album not make the charts? jamie foxx? how many have i got to now? thats 7 just at the top of my head, the most recent UK album charts have 9 american RnB/HH actswith only mark ronson and amy winehouse 'reppin' UK urban music and he's more american anyways..so thats just amy. RNB/HH accounts for at least 10% of the UK market which is a conservative estimate. but out of that 10%..... 90% of the sales would be american artists,

Ok maybe I wasnt clear, but I'm talking singles. I said SONGS in my first post and in my second post I used a popular SINLGE as an example, but you still didnt get that but hey maybe you just never read it properly. No point in talking about anything else anyway 'cause most UK acts dont really make anything else but singles and mixtapes. You naming Jamie Foxx doesnt mean anything to me, he's made one album. That to me wouldnt equal a successful artist in UK, but merely a one-off until he prooves differently. No I never had Herbie Hancock in mind but like I stated before I'm talking singles.But thats all long I dont even know how you got to this, my point is that sh*t has to be watered down/made commercially viable, starting at radio level because urb*n "consumers" dont actually consumeI think that should make sense as to why we shouldnt blame who controls the music, like Semtex and Westwood, but look at the man in the mirror and instead of thinking "Kanye West doesnt help pay my bills" think "This is the kinda music I wanna hear, let me take out my money and support the music"Hopefully you will get my point now Carpe and stop debating (as per usual) over musical issues with me, you know I'm the boss!!!

[Carpe_Deum]

numero you said "you guys talk like Good US pop songs sell well over here" and they DO. why are you talking about singles when pple are talking about artists, the industry in general..then you try and be pedantic about singles. besides i said what i said cos you are sort of claiming that the UK wont buy British Urban acts bcos Urban music doesnt sell well, that they dont buy even American urban Music well, and for them to sell well it has to be watered down.... which is fraff. and i am saying that the album/single buying british public will not accept second rate, was-done-and-dusted-by-an-american-2yrs-ago, or just plain piss poor urban music from a british artist..just bcos that person is british. you cannot lay the blame on them for not buying urban music regardless of who makes it, when infact they do. there are many other factors for why there is the clear difference in quality..but i dont see what u mean by watered down in terms of popular HH/RNB that is not the same thing occuring in the US, but still makes the cross over here and sells well. calling urself the boss, just like 99% of the other sh*t artists working part time in tesco. its cool, BOSS

[Who Knows? Who Cares?]

UK Black music is pissed coz black people need to support it at grass roots, when people see that then it looks "cool" coz black people like it.You lot check out New Orleans Bounce...that is coming up again...

[That's That Kid]

Bashment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Grime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Niche >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your Mum <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

[Guest mattthernbsinger]

lol at classifying BLACK as a genre of music.

[Danger]

GRIME HAS THE POTENTIAL to do so much

That's where you wrong, grime problem it's too similar to Hip-Hop it has only three major differences.1. Location2. Vocabulary3. ProductionWhat the f*ck are wiley and Ghetto ect saying that any US myspace rapper aint saying, grime comes like Hip-hops long lost foreign cousin so how is it gonna make an impact when Hip-Hop controls most of all urban music, also Grime artists have this separatist attitude of keeping it UK, how many times have Kano, S.A.S been gunned for sounding or begging US, till grime artist acknowledge they need to make their music more commercial so the average listener who hasn't even heard of grime can jam to their tunes then the scene will remain stagnant