Will your children be English?

[AdzStar*]

Yeah, and Godwilling, raise them in somewhere like St. Albans or Milton Keynes.

[LuLu]

hopefully australian

[Afroman]

Raaah soo much hate for england out ere..I guess its cool to be exotic or foreign these days...I have noticed that the freshies try as much as possible to be english but the born& bread are mostly anti british lately..I will like my kids to have some sort of strong trational home discipline still..Peole do take alot of things in uk for granted still.. especially those that aint lived elsewhere

[The Infamous]

Swedish

[Blackstock]

Its only on here that ive come across this 'hate' for uk, from those born here.

[LuLu]

My kids are getting brought up in Southampton/Portsmouth/Devon/Winchester or some other down south, white city.Purity is perfection.

Devon is not a city, its a countylots of racists about in most parts of Devon

[Anderson]

You know what I meant. f*ck it.

[Carpe_Deum]

Also, LOL at escaping this country to go to America. Its like tryna escape war in Beirut and going to Iraq

They been watching too much OC or The Hills

or youve been watching too much of cops!it's not perfect but it has way more opportunities than the ukthere is a reason why so many brits come here to live and study and choose not to returnmentally i think to myself that the self esteem of british youth is so low compared to their american peersbut you are right, its not heaven, and the devil you know is better than the new one you are going to encounterbut you dont have to meet the devil !!!i'd want mine to also spend time in a developing country

[Numero001]

I think my kids may/most prob will be born here, for red book purposes only. The place is a sh*t place to LIVE. So much bullshit goes on here, the tricks Government play is one thing that your not really gonna aviod wherever you go but the tricks media play is the most annoying thing to me. So much things stem off of that not least the way average Joe thinks which is when sh*t becomes a joke.Petty rules that Schools make up are jokes, the method of teaching is a joke, the general way that kids are bred over here is just a joke. I want my kid to have as close to his own beliefs as possible and not have his opinion clouded by what he reads, sees or hears on the telly or in the newspaper. Ideally, my kid will be brought up in the promise land. I will leave before I become fully part of the system and when its more of a risk to move abroad.Plus m being Black will not allow my kid to be English

But your still here, playing xbox lolDid you go college/uni

Didnt understand if the first part was a full blown jokeAnd I went college, but wheres the relevance?p.s. You gonna be on Live tonight?

Cos your ready to cuss the country and education, but your still here, went on to further education, cant be that bad can it, i know for a FACT you would not be living the life you do now back a yard, not even with Bruce in charge lol, i know all your cousins think your living lush and like a rap star over here.Its not as bad as you lot make it, just hate it when ppl run the country but dont do nothing about itps: yeah willl be after some assassins creeed

Oh yeah I'm really gonna leave the country before the age of 22 on my jacks innit? Not realistic, I dont really have a choice in the matter. This country is here to be used and thats it and them Jamaicans may not have what I have but there quality of life is better than mine (better music, people and food being 3 examples) as a teen/young adult, they have their own minds. Material wise, I am better off than them but if I get to the level I aim to be at then things will be bless for my kids and they will have what I have, just in a better placeMy rich bredrins in yard live the good life boy.Then they'll come here and get educated at college/uni levels them come back to the promise land. Its all about using this place for what you can get to IMO

Why would they come here if the "method of teaching is crap" lolKingston is one of the deadlist cities in the world, so im sorry I will have to disagree with you about quality of life is better, when a huge number of yong males dont see thier 25th birthday (RIP my close cousin), music you can get easily, food ill agree. But the main reasons i.e education, housing, oppurtunies I am afraid england pisses all over it, Portica made some good changes, but still needs loads more work. Why you would bring your child up there is beyond me. Surely you would want the best for your child ? Jamaica is not best in this equation.Any rich person would live a good life, thats obvious. But how many of normal everyday folk live like you, safe to walk street, more money, better housing, better education, more choices.Our parents came over when they were young to a next country, if you really wanted to do it you could, all the pounds you have should be able to give you a good start in yard ?

How many times have you been to Jamaica? Your talking some nonesense about not being able to walk street safe at night. When I said music I meant parties but thats just strictly for enjoyment, housing, well boy prices that house are going for here mine wont be that great if I aint pee'dI've been to real garrisons, August Town, Tivoli Garden and Mountain View, nothing has ever happened to me or anyone I know. Man will go Bembe on a Thursday, Shooter's Hill on the way home at 4am and go and take in a session and feel fine. Sqauddie dem will pass thru but apart from that its bless. Bembe isnt too bad but ask about the other places.They come here because certificates are more recognised than their equivalent. They also beleive that over here is great 'cause the pound is strong but dont realise that its expensive to live here.And Kingston is how big compared to Jamaica? Infact, the whole of Kingston isnt even bad. I have nuff bredrins living in Kingston better than you and I. Them things mainly go on in garrisons. You could leave your window down in Half Way Tree and no one aint going into your car, you can walk and no one aint coming to rob you or even watch face.I would prefer to raise my kids in Jamaica until Uni age than here and thats what I hope for. The upbringing will be better. I'm more than likely to go there when I've made quite a bit of pee so thats why I said about my rich bredrins. I'm not sure if I'd go there poor but I could still.But like I said it depends on what your looking for. If its material things then boom there arent many better places than England, but for quality of living and growing up to a better person then its there over here for me. The grounding will be done there

Been a fair few times, so I must be chatting nonsense that Kingston is violent then, skeen say that to my aunty. You think I only watch Ross Kemp going to yard or something lolHalf way tree is MacMorris area lol, I bet you know my family. Of course the whole of Kingston aint bad, that makes it even worse at the high rate of killings for the small garrisons and the low life expectancy of males. That you can not deny. Just cos it aint happened to you dont mean it doesnt happen.Im not even talking about material things, im talking about education and opportunities, like you said they would come over here for education.The reason for these gangs and that in yard is due to the LACK of opportunities, hence what Portica was trying to fix up. I just fail to see how a country as violent and poor as JA can better a child than it would bringing it up over here. You will be surprised at the amount of Yardies that DONT go back home, what for, passa passa and fresh bullacake

The way you've made it sound is that you cant walk safe in Kingston full stop when infact its violence in certain areas as opposed to some widespread violence. Yes the violence is due to lack of opportunities of olders, that has nothing to with the yute dem. And at the end of the day them people there are the poorest of the poor so there's obviously gonna be nuff violence there. Go country like St. Mary, St Thomas, Portland and you'll get poor people but the violence is no way near as high as Kingston. Also, lack of opportunities isnt even the only main factor for the violence, a lot of it stems from poitical with PNP and JLP funding certain areas as you most prob know. I personally dont want my kids to live and die for money, I'd prefer them to have morals and be good people whilst enjoying and valuing life without watching the news and thinking its only people that look like them doing wrongs in the country which will lead to them feeling like an outcast or "foreigner" and/or growing up in a country where we just live and breathe work. I'd also prefer them them to have a good life as far as enjoyment and social life with a decent roof over their head than be in some magnificent house, luxurious car with a sh*t quality of life that consists of waking up and working then going home and watching TV/on the computer with one full day of enjoyment and mainly bad weather.I just feel we lost sight of what life really is over here and trade life for money in hope of gaining happiness that we never really reach because we rarely get to having enough money. Even when people are rich they still try to make even more money and get a bigger/more houses etc. and its a never ending cycle. Its not like that there.Like I said its for grounding purposes. What ever they choose to do when they have the chance to doit, whether it be move here or US in "search of a better life" (which is basically for material things) then so be it, but I want to know that the kid has good grounding and is a good person. And the education over there is far from being sh*t

[Carpe_Deum]

swear jamaica still has one of the highest murder rates in the worldif they could get UK's numbers theyd be laughing

[Flojo]

Yes they will be British.lol Numero's outlook is interesting.

[Numero001]

Yeah its murder rate is sky high, but like I keep saying its not widespread violence. Its no way near like South Africa or Brazil for randoms getting murdered. The ruthless killings that go on in them countries are on different levels to what goes on in Jamaica. They say roughly 60-70% of the killings in Jamaica happen in Kingston, Montego Bay and Clarendon (Spanish Town mainly) alone.And why do you laugh and say my outlooks interesting Flojo? Care to elaborate

[Carpe_Deum]

Yeah its murder rate is sky high, but like I keep saying its not widespread violence. Its no way near like South Africa or Brazil for randoms getting murdered. The ruthless killings that go on in them countries are on different levels to what goes on in Jamaica. They say roughly 60-70% of the killings in Jamaica happen in Kingston, Montego Bay and Clarendon (Spanish Town mainly) alone.And why do you laugh and say my outlooks interesting Flojo? Care to elaborate

no where near brasil or SA in terms of population? "The island of 2.7m people, which is slightly smaller than Connecticut, has one of the highest murder rates in the world. The figures are chilling - there were 1,674 murders in 2005, up from 1,471 murders the year before. Last year, the number of murders came down to 1,540. So far this year, there have been about 300 murders. " seen.secondly, in terms of morals and all that, people talk as if those in poverty or under developed areas somehow have better morals!!u can teach ur kids morals wherever they grow up still, the way i se it

[Numero001]

Yeah its murder rate is sky high, but like I keep saying its not widespread violence. Its no way near like South Africa or Brazil for randoms getting murdered. The ruthless killings that go on in them countries are on different levels to what goes on in Jamaica. They say roughly 60-70% of the killings in Jamaica happen in Kingston, Montego Bay and Clarendon (Spanish Town mainly) alone.And why do you laugh and say my outlooks interesting Flojo? Care to elaborate

no where near brasil or SA in terms of population? "The island of 2.7m people, which is slightly smaller than Connecticut, has one of the highest murder rates in the world. The figures are chilling - there were 1,674 murders in 2005, up from 1,471 murders the year before. Last year, the number of murders came down to 1,540. So far this year, there have been about 300 murders. " seen.

Where did I say that? And havent you noticed that I've been trying to dead this from the last few posts? Get on with the topic manAnd your talking like I havent been to Jamaica and mixed with Jamaicans for me to know that generally they have better morals than those here

[Train]

Yeah its murder rate is sky high, but like I keep saying its not widespread violence. Its no way near like South Africa or Brazil for randoms getting murdered. The ruthless killings that go on in them countries are on different levels to what goes on in Jamaica. They say roughly 60-70% of the killings in Jamaica happen in Kingston, Montego Bay and Clarendon (Spanish Town mainly) alone.And why do you laugh and say my outlooks interesting Flojo? Care to elaborate

LOL, im sure 90% of the murders ion this country happen in London, Birmingham or Manchester.

[Guest Robin_Van_PersG]

Yeah its murder rate is sky high, but like I keep saying its not widespread violence. Its no way near like South Africa or Brazil for randoms getting murdered. The ruthless killings that go on in them countries are on different levels to what goes on in Jamaica. They say roughly 60-70% of the killings in Jamaica happen in Kingston, Montego Bay and Clarendon (Spanish Town mainly) alone.And why do you laugh and say my outlooks interesting Flojo? Care to elaborate

no where near brasil or SA in terms of population? "The island of 2.7m people, which is slightly smaller than Connecticut, has one of the highest murder rates in the world. The figures are chilling - there were 1,674 murders in 2005, up from 1,471 murders the year before. Last year, the number of murders came down to 1,540. So far this year, there have been about 300 murders. " seen.secondly, in terms of morals and all that, people talk as if those in poverty or under developed areas somehow have better morals!!

Most of which will be in certain rough areas/garrisons. Obviouly someone born here wouldn't raise thier kids in jamaica neighbourhoods in kingston such as Tivoli/Rema etc. Its true that i/my fam could live better as middle class jamaicans than middle class english. To answer the original question nearly certainly my Children wil have an english passport but 'could' be moved out to JA.

[Jodie]

Havent really thought about it tbh.Would like them to have a british passport than any other country's, but im not too fussed.

[Guest Robin_Van_PersG]

Yeah its murder rate is sky high, but like I keep saying its not widespread violence. Its no way near like South Africa or Brazil for randoms getting murdered. The ruthless killings that go on in them countries are on different levels to what goes on in Jamaica. They say roughly 60-70% of the killings in Jamaica happen in Kingston, Montego Bay and Clarendon (Spanish Town mainly) alone.And why do you laugh and say my outlooks interesting Flojo? Care to elaborate

LOL, im sure 90% of the murders ion this country happen in London, Birmingham or Manchester.

hence why certain heads are saying they will happily raise thier children in England but in nice® areas.

[Numero001]

Yeah its murder rate is sky high, but like I keep saying its not widespread violence. Its no way near like South Africa or Brazil for randoms getting murdered. The ruthless killings that go on in them countries are on different levels to what goes on in Jamaica. They say roughly 60-70% of the killings in Jamaica happen in Kingston, Montego Bay and Clarendon (Spanish Town mainly) alone.And why do you laugh and say my outlooks interesting Flojo? Care to elaborate

LOL, im sure 90% of the murders ion this country happen in London, Birmingham or Manchester.

Exactly, thats my point. So if your living in other areas what have you got to be scared of? No one said I'm going to live in Kingston but Bully thought he'd bring up Kingston and judging the murder that goes on there like its widespreadAlso, in many part of London you cant walk at night and 98% of the time not get caught up in any trouble, same as Kingston.

[Carpe_Deum]

Yeah its murder rate is sky high, but like I keep saying its not widespread violence. Its no way near like South Africa or Brazil for randoms getting murdered. The ruthless killings that go on in them countries are on different levels to what goes on in Jamaica. They say roughly 60-70% of the killings in Jamaica happen in Kingston, Montego Bay and Clarendon (Spanish Town mainly) alone.And why do you laugh and say my outlooks interesting Flojo? Care to elaborate

no where near brasil or SA in terms of population? "The island of 2.7m people, which is slightly smaller than Connecticut, has one of the highest murder rates in the world. The figures are chilling - there were 1,674 murders in 2005, up from 1,471 murders the year before. Last year, the number of murders came down to 1,540. So far this year, there have been about 300 murders. " seen.

Where did I say that? And havent you noticed that I've been trying to dead this from the last few posts? Get on with the topic manAnd your talking like I havent been to Jamaica and mixed with Jamaicans for me to know that generally they have better morals than those here

i didnt say they wont or dont, but just cos its a developing country doesnt mean its got better morals. and i just feel your outlook is a bit too preachy when its masking the real facts, but thats your view, thats mine

[Train]

Yeah its murder rate is sky high, but like I keep saying its not widespread violence. Its no way near like South Africa or Brazil for randoms getting murdered. The ruthless killings that go on in them countries are on different levels to what goes on in Jamaica. They say roughly 60-70% of the killings in Jamaica happen in Kingston, Montego Bay and Clarendon (Spanish Town mainly) alone.And why do you laugh and say my outlooks interesting Flojo? Care to elaborate

LOL, im sure 90% of the murders ion this country happen in London, Birmingham or Manchester.

hence why certain heads are saying they will happily raise thier children in England but in nice® areas.

Not that many people are saying that still.

[Blackstock]

*feels proud to have that red book*

[Train]

Yeah its murder rate is sky high, but like I keep saying its not widespread violence. Its no way near like South Africa or Brazil for randoms getting murdered. The ruthless killings that go on in them countries are on different levels to what goes on in Jamaica. They say roughly 60-70% of the killings in Jamaica happen in Kingston, Montego Bay and Clarendon (Spanish Town mainly) alone.And why do you laugh and say my outlooks interesting Flojo? Care to elaborate

LOL, im sure 90% of the murders ion this country happen in London, Birmingham or Manchester.

Exactly, thats my point. So if your living in other areas what have you got to be scared of? No one said I'm going to live in Kingston but Bully thought he'd bring up Kingston and judging the murder that goes on there like its widespreadAlso, in many part of London you cant walk at night and 98% of the time not get caught up in any trouble, same as Kingston.

Yea, I see your point. Your right still.

[Numero001]

Yeah its murder rate is sky high, but like I keep saying its not widespread violence. Its no way near like South Africa or Brazil for randoms getting murdered. The ruthless killings that go on in them countries are on different levels to what goes on in Jamaica. They say roughly 60-70% of the killings in Jamaica happen in Kingston, Montego Bay and Clarendon (Spanish Town mainly) alone.And why do you laugh and say my outlooks interesting Flojo? Care to elaborate

no where near brasil or SA in terms of population? "The island of 2.7m people, which is slightly smaller than Connecticut, has one of the highest murder rates in the world. The figures are chilling - there were 1,674 murders in 2005, up from 1,471 murders the year before. Last year, the number of murders came down to 1,540. So far this year, there have been about 300 murders. " seen.

Where did I say that? And havent you noticed that I've been trying to dead this from the last few posts? Get on with the topic manAnd your talking like I havent been to Jamaica and mixed with Jamaicans for me to know that generally they have better morals than those here

i didnt say they wont or dont, but just cos its a developing country doesnt mean its got better morals. and i just feel your outlook is a bit too preachy when its masking the real facts, but thats your view, thats mine

I'm judging it on people that I know, seen and heard from there, NOT just because its 3rd world

[Flojo]

Numero you were talking about your children being brought up in an enviroment that allows them to construct their own beliefs and your stating Jamaica is that place. The same place where the American Media has a big influence through TV and the same place where having certain views on orientation and some sexual acts is imposed on the public from the get go. I don't neccessarily oppose or agree with those views but thats far from an impartial enviroment that allows you to construct your own beliefs.You said you don't want your children to have a materialistic mindset and said Jamaica is a better environment to achieve this but then you went on to say they come over here because they think the pound is strong which kinda goes against the point your making.there was loads of stuff that kinda threw me off but it was intersting because it got me thinking.