Young black males in the criminal justice system

[GoldCoast]

theres always one or two bad youts and then the rest are weak minded followersusually the actually bad youts have got a sh*t family and then the followers, some a dem come from good homes but because they are easily influenced they carry on with the badnessits all of that, plus the food that they eat, the way they are treated in schools its like in a lot of schools which are predominantly black they are expected to become criminals, all this CCTV, outsourced security gaurds, my sisters school has community police and the whole school was built like a prison to begin with. they knew they would mainly get black an workin class children there and they prepared 'accordingly'they have a thing called lock down whereby if ur caught misbehavin on CCTV then they lock down the place, an trap u in the corridor or whereverand it is the music aswell, and computer games as i said b4 weak minded individuals get taken in, I myself when i play GTA Sanandreas i get this weird feeling if i go out immediately jus to start banging people up an robbin dem, but i get over it in about a minuteits a combination of all these things, including a racist justice system

well said smaddy, but white kids are also exposed to most of the things you stated, how do you explain the imbalance.

[King Poetic]

blaimng it on the usualalmost twice as many black youths come from single parent families as white youths,hence they are most likely to drop out of school early,and roam the streets and cause crime.five live is 909 or 693 MW.or you can go too bbc radio and listen online.

[smaddy]

theres always one or two bad youts and then the rest are weak minded followersusually the actually bad youts have got a sh*t family and then the followers, some a dem come from good homes but because they are easily influenced they carry on with the badnessits all of that, plus the food that they eat, the way they are treated in schools its like in a lot of schools which are predominantly black they are expected to become criminals, all this CCTV, outsourced security gaurds, my sisters school has community police and the whole school was built like a prison to begin with. they knew they would mainly get black an workin class children there and they prepared 'accordingly'they have a thing called lock down whereby if ur caught misbehavin on CCTV then they lock down the place, an trap u in the corridor or whereverand it is the music aswell, and computer games as i said b4 weak minded individuals get taken in, I myself when i play GTA Sanandreas i get this weird feeling if i go out immediately jus to start banging people up an robbin dem, but i get over it in about a minuteits a combination of all these things, including a racist justice system

well said smaddy, but white kids are also exposed to most of the things you stated, how do you explain the imbalance.

thats the main thing i can think of.

[GoldCoast]

theres always one or two bad youts and then the rest are weak minded followersusually the actually bad youts have got a sh*t family and then the followers, some a dem come from good homes but because they are easily influenced they carry on with the badnessits all of that, plus the food that they eat, the way they are treated in schools its like in a lot of schools which are predominantly black they are expected to become criminals, all this CCTV, outsourced security gaurds, my sisters school has community police and the whole school was built like a prison to begin with. they knew they would mainly get black an workin class children there and they prepared 'accordingly'they have a thing called lock down whereby if ur caught misbehavin on CCTV then they lock down the place, an trap u in the corridor or whereverand it is the music aswell, and computer games as i said b4 weak minded individuals get taken in, I myself when i play GTA Sanandreas i get this weird feeling if i go out immediately jus to start banging people up an robbin dem, but i get over it in about a minuteits a combination of all these things, including a racist justice system

well said smaddy, but white kids are also exposed to most of the things you stated, how do you explain the imbalance.

thats the main thing i can think of.

on the news this morning they said black youths are 5 times more likely to be stopped and searched by the police than white boys.

[Dopa]

racist justice systems exist in every country and its not going to change !

[HBK]

Must be a racist justice system that makes these yutes shot weed and rob and shank each other. Definitely the justice system. And the police. The racist f*ckers. And music, film and computer games are an influence. But the only reason they are an influence is because these young people are growing up with empty heads which are not filled with anything positive. Smaddy, you madea post the other day about stupid young girls. The same reason young girls end up being free-prostitutes to young men is why young men end up leaving school, being anti-social and violent. It is a complete lack of positive re-enforcement and a lack of self esteem. And while society does not help those issues, the responsibility lays with the parents first, and the schools and government second.

[BlackaDaBerry]

I don't think the justice system is racist tbh....I think that's an excuse..a very poor one at that....Truth is if you did something and get arrested and put inside for it, you can't blame anybody but yourself. It depends where you live or where you are when you get arrested as to the levels of racism you'll encounter from the police...I think racism is more prevalent in schools than it is in the Justice system...

[HBK]

You can blame police being racist for pulling you over and doing a stop & search just because you areon road in a hoody and a fitted. But if they find sh*t on you, or you match a description and it was you, then that is YOUR fault for doing sh*t in the first place. You can say a judge sent you down for 4 years instead of 2 cos he was racist, but it is YOUR fault for doing sh*t in the first place. Racist police or judiciary systems never made no-one commit petty crimes.

[BATTY BOY BUM BANDIT]

Its because all the kids are sheep.See one guy acting big, they wanna follow.They are what you call cowards.

[BlackaDaBerry]

theres always one or two bad youts and then the rest are weak minded followersusually the actually bad youts have got a sh*t family and then the followers, some a dem come from good homes but because they are easily influenced they carry on with the badnessits all of that, plus the food that they eat, the way they are treated in schools its like in a lot of schools which are predominantly black they are expected to become criminals, all this CCTV, outsourced security gaurds, my sisters school has community police and the whole school was built like a prison to begin with. they knew they would mainly get black an workin class children there and they prepared 'accordingly'they have a thing called lock down whereby if ur caught misbehavin on CCTV then they lock down the place, an trap u in the corridor or whereverand it is the music aswell, and computer games as i said b4 weak minded individuals get taken in, I myself when i play GTA Sanandreas i get this weird feeling if i go out immediately jus to start banging people up an robbin dem, but i get over it in about a minuteits a combination of all these things, including a racist justice system

well said smaddy, but white kids are also exposed to most of the things you stated, how do you explain the imbalance.

thats the main thing i can think of.

on the news this morning they said black youths are 5 times more likely to be stopped and searched by the police than white boys.

This would not happen without reason...who can blame them...Of all the murders that have hit the headlines i guarantee you there were probably another 5 for each of those that never hit the headlines...i know of a number of stabbings/murders that never even made local press let alone national..When you think about it this way, can you really blame the police for targetting one of the most problematic groups of people we have in the country at the moment...On a side note..Yesterday a 16 year old girl was chased up the road in hornsey by a man who wanted her phone...the girl got to her house and was pushed up against the fence...the man stabbed her in the neck and thigh and left her in hospital.It's this mentality that pushes the police to take such action...

[FreeMason]

Its all todo with the police at that time, if she/hes racist, youre pissed.

[smaddy]

its a vicious cycle. if someone expects something of you particularly when you are young you just end up doing it, very few of us have the resilience to prove others wrongthe racist justice system shows the reason for the disproportionate numbers. if white boys and black boys AND asian boys are experiencing the same influences and doing the same sort of crime but only black boys are getting stopped then they are the only ones gettin caught

[smaddy]

blacka ur jus bein a devils adovcate and it ain amusin

[HBK]

Its because all the kids are sheep.See one guy acting big, they wanna follow.They are what you call cowards.

That's having no self-esteem. Following others just to fit in and be accepted. It is a big problem with kids. When I have done youth work before, no-one even wants to open their mouths and ask a question or admit they actually have professional aspirations probably for fear of looking like a neek. It's f*cked. Mental slavery and it is not even being placed upon them, they subject themselves to it. And it is not just Black caribbean kids as is being reported. It manifests itself in different ways amongst different poor working class groups. Just when people start stabbing each other up or shooting up the place, it is more noticable and shocking than young girls f*cking out from the ages of 12-13 or kids sitting about huffing glue and aerosols. It's also scarier to middle england. That is why it gets focused on more.

[HBK]

its a vicious cycle. if someone expects something of you particularly when you are young you just end up doing it, very few of us have the resilience to prove others wrongthe racist justice system shows the reason for the disproportionate numbers. if white boys and black boys AND asian boys are experiencing the same influences and doing the same sort of crime but only black boys are getting stopped then they are the only ones gettin caught

They aren't doing the same sort of crimes. It's shown that most young white and asian males grow out of such behaviour due to the positive influences around them from family, and also due to the extra positive attention they receive from their schools and community.

[Dopa]

i dont mean racist like openly racist but if youve got 2 people suspected of homicide ( a black and a white ) , the black person will automatically be suspected first, thats the kind of racism im talking about

[FreeMason]

Its nothin todo with the system, its all todo with the officer/Sargent in charge.

[smaddy]

maybe they arnt doin the same sort of crimes but i cannot believe that they poor white people in particular grow out of this behaviour. what about this drinkin culture where they go out and get drunk an kick someones head in, what about as someone mentioned before the glue sniffing and then its the heroin, they dont grow out of this, its perpetual self destruction which i have seen with my very own eyes. Where u have white people commiting 'white people' crimes, they dont seem to aspire to anything else, if they work they work to go and drink and do drugs and beat people up, if they dont work they are happy in this situation. purely of my own observationevery poor group of minorities have there own problems but they are not all treated the same by the police and the systemi cant say for asians cause im not really sure

[FreeMason]

You lot dont know sh*t.And are talking pure sh*t.

[Dopa]

You lot dont know sh*t.And are talking pure sh*t.

youve just done worse than we did

[Black Ant]

i hate the majority of young black boys. im tired of defending them and tired of ppl looking for reasons to why they act like d*ckheadsyou lot can cry racism all you like but the attitude of most young black boys is disgustingracism, music, movies etc is no excusei wish they will hurry up and kill each otherrant over

[scared of who?]

Lack of confidence

[BATTY BOY BUM BANDIT]

Cant be assed with these type of topics no more.Cos too many man come in and chat fraff about racism. Thats just an excuse that is used to 'justify' whatis going on.All Ima say is that it is there own fault, so they are gonna have to sort it out themselves.

[BlackaDaBerry]

blacka ur jus bein a devils adovcate and it ain amusin

I actually ain't. I'm incredibly pissed at the state of black youth nowadays. and in all honesty it is actually nobody's fault but our own....Black people have an inbuilt self destruct mechanism...which is why we have no sense of community...it's i do for me, you do for you....but if you do to well i'm takin urs...It's f*cked...nobody can really deny this is the case either...it's steadily gotten worse over the years where its now so widespread that murders and attacks such as the one i described earlier with a girl getting stabbed in the nck don't even make headlines....Everybody knows black people are killing themselves and it's so deep rooted that there isn't really a solution...so everyones just resolved in the knowledge that all we can do is sit back and deal with the fallout..

[HBK]

maybe they arnt doin the same sort of crimes but i cannot believe that they poor white people in particular grow out of this behaviour. what about this drinkin culture where they go out and get drunk an kick someones head in, what about as someone mentioned before the glue sniffing and then its the heroin, they dont grow out of this, its perpetual self destruction which i have seen with my very own eyes. Where u have white people commiting 'white people' crimes, they dont seem to aspire to anything else, if they work they work to go and drink and do drugs and beat people up, if they dont work they are happy in this situation. purely of my own observationevery poor group of minorities have there own problems but they are not all treated the same by the police and the systemi cant say for asians cause im not really sure

No no, I am talking about the little shits who wander round the streets these days that you see in big cities. It really isn't a colour thing anymore. You get white, mixed, asian and black kids all in groups when they are still in school. And I agree the habitual behaviour in poor white people like drunkenness and domestic violence doesn't get grown out of. But the need to act out the street gang mentality isn't something which really persists with young white and asian males going into adulthood as much as in young black males. Obviously there are still gangs, but it is far more prevalent in black males. And that is something that needs to be looked at. What are the causes of these habitual behaviours. Why do young black men feel like they need to impress their peers in these ways? Why is success measured in terms of money and status, but not the method through which it is attained? It is something which the government can't really be bothered to look into, and I don;t think they ever will until the problem becomes so big that it begins to involves white middle class people regularly, like the outrage at that young lawyer who got robbed and stabbed to death outside the tub station last year.