RELIGION

[FreeMason]

Monks >>>>>>>>>>

[SHAOLIN_SINZ]

i could easily discuss religion, but its obvious this shoalin guy is only here to tell us what he knows or has read, and wont listen to a thing anyone else has to say, so ima just let him get on with it, ill beleive what i wanna believe and u believe what u wanna believe.

any assumption most religious guys make who have no information to show so they try to say im narrow minded not the case what you got for me.Im not here to discuss beliefs im here to push the truth. Regardless of whose feelings it hurts.Ive nothing against religious people i know plenty but ive greater interest in the truth than pretending the fantasies of religion are any more than tales like the sumerian tales of ancient babylon.Ive yet to meet a religious person whose researched anything i talk about aka the history of the world.i never said religion does not hold truth about our history within it, but its purpose who it was made by is completely hoax and lies.

ive not been forced by anyone to believe in islam, on the whole a like the teachings, and like the morals behind it.You say i have not researched your theories, but at the same time you probably have not researched into islam extensively, i aint pushing my religion on nobody so let me believe what i wanna believe.

well if your gonna call me narrow minded atleast come with a counterclaim? alouw taking the back foot like im hassling you i only wrote to you because you claimed i wouldnt accept any information on your religion which is complete bullshit.i'll look into anything but if its lies ill be the first to tell you. Im not telling you what to believe this is just a forum i would hope words on a screen dont predict your every action in life but my simple point is you would not believe in a religion if you had of research ancient history n just general knowledge out there including the illuminati.If i was religious and someone told me what ive been saying i would look into it just to find out the deal because i would of thought the truth is more important than fairy tales.i work with logistics b im not closed minded n i never said i disagree with the morals n principles of some religions most of its just basic laws of humanity. I just take from religion what i can rather than labelling myself something n limited myself from all else....that is the essence of a narrow mind.

fair enough i can respect a person who takes the morals from religion without labelling themselves with it, cos end of the day it will lead to the same goal of being a better human being.I guess my cultural background plays a part in why i choose to label myself as a muslim.I can look at your theories, some of which ive seen before, and i can see that some things were man made and were put in place for control, i guess thats why im fairly liberal, but i still see myself as a muslim.

yeah thats real still, i can respect that still. End of the day im not tryna cause problems with religious people, believe what you choose, but one thing we should all be able to agree on is were being lied to about our existance on this planet n theres so many details which are hidden n kept from us.with religious morals n principles i think they've got more chance of understanding this information than the likes of a person without any principles or morals who hates on it from the word illuminati.

[bex]

All about the mormons tbh

[Reggie]

Just clocked something Where people say "How can you say God doesn't exist, you cant prove it!" Then the other person says "You prove he does exist though"The people who don't believe in God win for this simple reason.Its like asking someone to believe that the we are in the matrix, and using the Matrix DVD as your source of evidence, even though its someone else's creation.Non-believers will believe if we had sufficient evidence of a God, the "Gods" people believe in today are sh*t and need to do their job properly.

[time_bomb]

Just clocked something Where people say "How can you say God doesn't exist, you cant prove it!" Then the other person says "You prove he does exist though"The people who don't believe in God win for this simple reason.Its like asking someone to believe that the we are in the matrix, and using the Matrix DVD as your source of evidence, even though its someone else's creation.Non-believers will believe if we had sufficient evidence of a God, the "Gods" people believe in today are sh*t and need to do their job properly.

but we have no explanation of how time began, scientists say a big bang, but before that? and before that?

[BLACK VICTIM]

Just clocked something Where people say "How can you say God doesn't exist, you cant prove it!" Then the other person says "You prove he does exist though"The people who don't believe in God win for this simple reason.Its like asking someone to believe that the we are in the matrix, and using the Matrix DVD as your source of evidence, even though its someone else's creation.Non-believers will believe if we had sufficient evidence of a God, the "Gods" people believe in today are sh*t and need to do their job properly.

but we have no explanation of how time began, scientists say a big bang, but before that? and before that?

Get me, like there is cold hard scientific proof god didn't create the world.

[Reggie]

Just clocked something Where people say "How can you say God doesn't exist, you cant prove it!" Then the other person says "You prove he does exist though"The people who don't believe in God win for this simple reason.Its like asking someone to believe that the we are in the matrix, and using the Matrix DVD as your source of evidence, even though its someone else's creation.Non-believers will believe if we had sufficient evidence of a God, the "Gods" people believe in today are sh*t and need to do their job properly.

but we have no explanation of how time began, scientists say a big bang, but before that? and before that?

we'll never know, filling the void with something doesnt make that the answer though does it?

[Reggie]

Just clocked something Where people say "How can you say God doesn't exist, you cant prove it!" Then the other person says "You prove he does exist though"The people who don't believe in God win for this simple reason.Its like asking someone to believe that the we are in the matrix, and using the Matrix DVD as your source of evidence, even though its someone else's creation.Non-believers will believe if we had sufficient evidence of a God, the "Gods" people believe in today are sh*t and need to do their job properly.

but we have no explanation of how time began, scientists say a big bang, but before that? and before that?

Get me, like there is cold hard scientific proof god didn't create the world.

AHAHAHA lol @ you doing EXACTLY WHAT I SAID IN THE PARAGRAPH HE QUOTEDReggie >>>> _____

[Numero001]

if your strongly religious, dont read below...There is no such thing as religion, come one, its 2008, people still aint clocked yet. Religion is nothing, there are no gods, people don't get sh*t from gods, people are living in war and povertiy, their starving and cant get to school without having shots fired at them by the Amercan Army. And why? Because of religion. All the current warfare, is down to religion, religion is nothing, its an excuse to go to war, and its something for the small minded people to turn to when there lifes a shambles...Religion is something made up, by the Elite/Illuminati, and these people who folloe it are brainwashed with bullshit, to take away the real truth about whats going on in the world. I'l take the Bible for example, or the Qua'ran (sp?) these religious books were written by a bunch of guys around a table, things were added, and taken away, hence the lost prophets, things taken away from the bible and recently found.Religion is nothing, if your a strong minded person, like me, you can go through life with your head up, doing things for yourself, but for others, people turn to religion when there sad, or have no one else to turn to, religions just an excuse, and as soon as guys stop lieing to themselfes they will see the truth lol.Religion makes poverty and war, religion kills innocent people, religion brainwashes young kids into thinking its right to blow themselfes up for their "country" come on, think about it.RANT OVER.

Bring that sh*t into the light, thats what I believe. When you check it though, now the Governments have power and control over us they keep telling us how "Less and less people are religious" and stories such as that. Sometimes I think God is kinda like when your a kid and you say "How do you make babies" to which your Mum replies "Well the bird comes from the sky with the baby in a special tablet, I swallow it and my belly grows then you come out of my belly button" just to shut the kid up.God is the answer for everything like, back in slavery days it was,"Why are you keeping those people as slaves""Because we are God's people and they arent humans. Look Jesus is White"Or you answer the questions by yourself such as,"Argh man, everythings going wrong in my life because I dont believe in God. Lemme believe in God and all good things will start happening".Its mind control to me. You believe God will do everything for you. How many times have you heard "First of all I'd like to thank God", well if you never had the talent you wouldnt have got there. In boxing you'll see two men in opposite corners about to knock the other one out but before they start, they are praying to the same God asking for him to protect them and that they win. How does God decide who's to win?God provides security and makes you look to God when things are going wrong instead of the real people like the local MP or his/ her boss and so on and so forth for why your living the life your living. Look how many Black people there are going to churches giving their 10% of nothing and the preacher man saying bye to you and praying for you is driving home in a better car than you to his better home than you. How does that make sense?People dont question sh*t when they believe in God. Now we are were the Government is in a position to play God they are tryna phase religion out 'cause religion cannot work in a capitalist, dog-eat-dog society. Religion has served its purpose, Babylon are taking it a step furtherFrom when I respect those that respect me and I aint killing nobody, then "heaven" is me. But in reality like Bob said Heaven and Hell ison Earth. It just depends on your situation

[bane]

Just clocked something Where people say "How can you say God doesn't exist, you cant prove it!" Then the other person says "You prove he does exist though"The people who don't believe in God win for this simple reason.Its like asking someone to believe that the we are in the matrix, and using the Matrix DVD as your source of evidence, even though its someone else's creation.Non-believers will believe if we had sufficient evidence of a God, the "Gods" people believe in today are sh*t and need to do their job properly.

but we have no explanation of how time began, scientists say a big bang, but before that? and before that?

how do we no the world ever began though?how do we no the world will ever end?jus because we die it doesnt mean everyfing else has to..technically time doesnt exist so how can sumfin begin and endtimes man made to measure stuff...etcetc..

[bane]

if your strongly religious, dont read below...There is no such thing as religion, come one, its 2008, people still aint clocked yet. Religion is nothing, there are no gods, people don't get sh*t from gods, people are living in war and povertiy, their starving and cant get to school without having shots fired at them by the Amercan Army. And why? Because of religion. All the current warfare, is down to religion, religion is nothing, its an excuse to go to war, and its something for the small minded people to turn to when there lifes a shambles...Religion is something made up, by the Elite/Illuminati, and these people who folloe it are brainwashed with bullshit, to take away the real truth about whats going on in the world. I'l take the Bible for example, or the Qua'ran (sp?) these religious books were written by a bunch of guys around a table, things were added, and taken away, hence the lost prophets, things taken away from the bible and recently found.Religion is nothing, if your a strong minded person, like me, you can go through life with your head up, doing things for yourself, but for others, people turn to religion when there sad, or have no one else to turn to, religions just an excuse, and as soon as guys stop lieing to themselfes they will see the truth lol.Religion makes poverty and war, religion kills innocent people, religion brainwashes young kids into thinking its right to blow themselfes up for their "country" come on, think about it.RANT OVER.

Bring that sh*t into the light, thats what I believe. When you check it though, now the Governments have power and control over us they keep telling us how "Less and less people are religious" and stories such as that. Sometimes I think God is kinda like when your a kid and you say "How do you make babies" to which your Mum replies "Well the bird comes from the sky with the baby in a special tablet, I swallow it and my belly grows then you come out of my belly button" just to shut the kid up.God is the answer for everything like, back in slavery days it was,"Why are you keeping those people as slaves""Because we are God's people and they arent humans. Look Jesus is White"Or you answer the questions by yourself such as,"Argh man, everythings going wrong in my life because I dont believe in God. Lemme believe in God and all good things will start happening".Its mind control to me. You believe God will do everything for you. How many times have you heard "First of all I'd like to thank God", well if you never had the talent you wouldnt have got there. In boxing you'll see two men in opposite corners about to knock the other one out but before they start, they are praying to the same God asking for him to protect them and that they win. How does God decide who's to win?God provides security and makes you look to God when things are going wrong instead of the real people like the local MP or his/ her boss and so on and so forth for why your living the life your living. Look how many Black people there are going to churches giving their 10% of nothing and the preacher man saying bye to you and praying for you is driving home in a better car than you to his better home than you. How does that make sense?People dont question sh*t when they believe in God. Now we are were the Government is in a position to play God they are tryna phase religion out 'cause religion cannot work in a capitalist, dog-eat-dog society. Religion has served its purpose, Babylon are taking it a step further

Didnt read all of them lines above this post but i fink i got the jist of wat u mean...People dont question stuff or try and chance fings because they fink if anyfing goes bad God will send jesus down to save us so everyone shud just jam and let God sort fings out...But weres god when all them tornado's, hurricane's, tsunamis, fires, diseases are happening and killing people?

[Reggie]

that free thinking there!NON-Religious >>>> _____

[Reggie]

the people who believe in themselves and make things happen, run out and rescue people, face fear and tell it to f*ck off are the real Godsthem and people who PRINT/CONTROL money (another invention that has just taken over the world)

[time_bomb]

Just clocked something Where people say "How can you say God doesn't exist, you cant prove it!" Then the other person says "You prove he does exist though"The people who don't believe in God win for this simple reason.Its like asking someone to believe that the we are in the matrix, and using the Matrix DVD as your source of evidence, even though its someone else's creation.Non-believers will believe if we had sufficient evidence of a God, the "Gods" people believe in today are sh*t and need to do their job properly.

but we have no explanation of how time began, scientists say a big bang, but before that? and before that?

how do we no the world ever began though?how do we no the world will ever end?jus because we die it doesnt mean everyfing else has to..technically time doesnt exist so how can sumfin begin and endtimes man made to measure stuff...etcetc..

i dont think that mystery will ever be solved, but its about faith init.

[Numero001]

I will always remember my bro saying to me "If God forgives everyone, why is their hell?" He's 3 years older than me and I must have been about 9/10 them times. From that day forth going to church was never the same. When I got to 14 I was just sitting there daydreaming thinking this sh*t is nuts. I feel to go to church again just to confirm my beliefs of how church works 'cause I'm convinced I'm right.

[o-guy]

from time u dn't respect peoples different beliefes u are lostfrom time u ask questions like "y do u believe in god" or "y dn't u believe in God" u are lost.cuz the person being asked can never, give answer that satifys the person asking.one person represents fact, while the other represents faith.fact and faith really have no place bein in the same sentenceneither requires the other, neither can trump the othernon-religious people who go on to say religious people are this and that, are lost cuz even if religion is nt real, IT IS REAL TO THOSE THAT BELIEVE, some people need it, it gives focus, purpose and Hope (for some thats all they can have). RESPECT that at the very least.Its sad hw heads think its cool to mock God and others beliefs posting up disrespectful pictures and what nt, ignoring the fact that to sum people thats like cussing their mum.Yur suppose to be above the falsities of religion, yet u can't even show basic decencyim nt even religious myselfbut as someone who thinks in terms of fact i understand the irony of sayin sh*t like "religion is fake", when i can't PROVE IT.no one really knwsits just that sum people dn't have to knw, they have faith

[Reggie]

i don't respect stupidityi don't respect prayers when the best that can realistically be done is to try to do something to help the situation

[Flat Eric]

there is no right answer to religionchristian muslimhinduor the sameif you have faith thats all that matters

[o-guy]

i don't respect stupidityi don't respect prayers when the best that can realistically be done is to try to do something to help the situation

the fact that u can't prove its stupidity, without a shadow of a doubtshows u need to mature

[Reggie]

i don't respect stupidityi don't respect prayers when the best that can realistically be done is to try to do something to help the situation

the fact that u can't prove its stupidity, without a shadow of a doubtshows u need to mature

the fact that i have prayed for people, and they have died, means that i have nothing to prove

[o-guy]

i don't respect stupidityi don't respect prayers when the best that can realistically be done is to try to do something to help the situation

the fact that u can't prove its stupidity, without a shadow of a doubtshows u need to mature

the fact that i have prayed for people, and they have died, means that i have nothing to prove

no where in any religion does it say if u pray for people they won't diehe who fears death is in denial, cuz death is an undeniable truthreligion promises no escape from this truthyur un-satisfaction with this realityis NOT proof that religion is stupidity as u so elegantly put it

[BLACK VICTIM]

Just clocked something Where people say "How can you say God doesn't exist, you cant prove it!" Then the other person says "You prove he does exist though"The people who don't believe in God win for this simple reason.Its like asking someone to believe that the we are in the matrix, and using the Matrix DVD as your source of evidence, even though its someone else's creation.Non-believers will believe if we had sufficient evidence of a God, the "Gods" people believe in today are sh*t and need to do their job properly.

but we have no explanation of how time began, scientists say a big bang, but before that? and before that?

Get me, like there is cold hard scientific proof god didn't create the world.

AHAHAHA lol @ you doing EXACTLY WHAT I SAID IN THE PARAGRAPH HE QUOTEDReggie >>>> _____

No what I'm saying is, if you have no proof of how the world was created how can you be saying God didn't create it when your next best theory is the big bang.

[Bacardi_Up]

We are just animals..We fullfill a role within this ecosystem as do mice, worms, spiders etc..Because we can speak etc I do not see it as making us any different....Boy, if Mice have the same after life fate as us, then thats cool...

u wont go hell cos u dont follow the bible or quoran or torahall have elements of truth in themthe main thing is to follow your heart and to know theres a creator etcthen u go heaven

Hate to stop you right there buddy.BUT Evangelists and even the Bible say the only path to heaven is by Jesus Christ.Even though Muslims regard Jesus as a prophet Christians believe they will go to hell for not accepting him as their Messiah.

hate to tell you buddy but thats just your belief. Each religion says the way to heaven is through their own way..

Do your research then reply to me. Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all part of the same religious tree. Islam was the last of these religion to come into existence which was about 1400years ago, they refer to Jesus as a prophet of God and hence why they Believe Christian go to heaven also and since the root of these 3 religion was Judaism they also believe Jews go to heaven.Christianity however in a nutshell says if you do not regard Jesus as the son of God and accept him into your Heart then you will go to hell.You understand? Go research before you reply.I am not a religious man, I believe that if there is a God or Higher Power then a compassionate and caring God would not cast me into Hell simply because I do not follow their particular path. I ask these Evangelists and said "I am a good person etc... but by your reckoning I will still go to hell".Their response was "the acts/deeds you commit are irrelevent if you are not in union with God."This does not give me the impression of a benevolent compassionate God.This is when I debate them and make them look stupid with their narrow minded beliefs.

[o-guy]

We are just animals..We fullfill a role within this ecosystem as do mice, worms, spiders etc..Because we can speak etc I do not see it as making us any different....Boy, if Mice have the same after life fate as us, then thats cool...

u wont go hell cos u dont follow the bible or quoran or torahall have elements of truth in themthe main thing is to follow your heart and to know theres a creator etcthen u go heaven

Hate to stop you right there buddy.BUT Evangelists and even the Bible say the only path to heaven is by Jesus Christ.Even though Muslims regard Jesus as a prophet Christians believe they will go to hell for not accepting him as their Messiah.

hate to tell you buddy but thats just your belief. Each religion says the way to heaven is through their own way..

Do your research then reply to me. Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all part of the same religious tree. Islam was the last of these religion to come into existence which was about 1400years ago, they refer to Jesus as a prophet of God and hence why they Believe Christian go to heaven also and since the root of these 3 religion was Judaism they also believe Jews go to heaven.Christianity however in a nutshell says if you do not regard Jesus as the son of God and accept him into your Heart then you will go to hell.You understand? Go research before you reply.I am not a religious man, I believe that if there is a God or Higher Power then a compassionate and caring God would not cast me into Hell simply because I do not follow their particular path. I ask these Evangelists and said "I am a good person etc... but by your reckoning I will still go to hell".Their response was "the acts/deeds you commit are irrelevent if you are not in union with God."This does not give me the impression of a benevolent compassionate God.This is when I debate them and make them look stupid with their narrow minded beliefs.

i like the way u think my friend

[BLACK VICTIM]

We are just animals..We fullfill a role within this ecosystem as do mice, worms, spiders etc..Because we can speak etc I do not see it as making us any different....Boy, if Mice have the same after life fate as us, then thats cool...

u wont go hell cos u dont follow the bible or quoran or torahall have elements of truth in themthe main thing is to follow your heart and to know theres a creator etcthen u go heaven

Hate to stop you right there buddy.BUT Evangelists and even the Bible say the only path to heaven is by Jesus Christ.Even though Muslims regard Jesus as a prophet Christians believe they will go to hell for not accepting him as their Messiah.

hate to tell you buddy but thats just your belief. Each religion says the way to heaven is through their own way..

Do your research then reply to me. Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all part of the same religious tree. Islam was the last of these religion to come into existence which was about 1400years ago, they refer to Jesus as a prophet of God and hence why they Believe Christian go to heaven also and since the root of these 3 religion was Judaism they also believe Jews go to heaven.Christianity however in a nutshell says if you do not regard Jesus as the son of God and accept him into your Heart then you will go to hell.You understand? Go research before you reply.I am not a religious man, I believe that if there is a God or Higher Power then a compassionate and caring God would not cast me into Hell simply because I do not follow their particular path. I ask these Evangelists and said "I am a good person etc... but by your reckoning I will still go to hell".Their response was "the acts/deeds you commit are irrelevent if you are not in union with God."This does not give me the impression of a benevolent compassionate God.This is when I debate them and make them look stupid with their narrow minded beliefs.

i like the way u think my friend

Yeah I'm Christian but I think the same way as bayy, even said to my family I was converting to muslim just to see the reaction. I believe muslims will go to heaven if they believe in god and live life right and I plan to read the Qur'an because I don't really know enough about where muslims are coming from. I think it's important to take your own religious path and not accept what you were born into and to always question. I question the bible and contradictions all the time but it doesn't take away my love for God or my faith.