THE NEPHELIM

[Alejandro Sosa]

look at the comparisons with islam, similar but these prophecies int he quran are very clear and concise (plus the the f*cked thing is almost ALL the minor signs have come true):

The Minor Signs:# The disappearance of knowledge and the appearance of ignorance (Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Ahmad)# Books/writing will be widespread and (religious) knowledge will be low (Ahmad)# Adultery and fornication will be prevalent (The Prophet, peace be upon him, said that this has never happened without new diseases befalling the people, which their ancestors had not known.) (Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Al-Haythami)# When fornication becomes widespread among your leaders (The Prophet, peace be upon him, said that this will happen when the people stop forbidding evil) (Ibn Majah)# Adultery and fornication will be performed in the open# The consumption of intoxicants will be widespread (Bukhari & Muslim)# Women will outnumber men......eventually 50:1 (Bukhari, Muslim, & Ahmad)# Killing, killing, killing (Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Ahmad)# The nations of the earth will gather against the Muslims like hungry people going to sit down to a table full of food. This will occur when the Muslims are large in number, but "like the foam of the sea".# People will beat others with whips like the tails of oxen (Muslim) ?The Slave Trade# The children will be filled with rage (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)# Children will be foul (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)# Women will conspire (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)# Rain will be acidic or burning (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)# Children of fornication will become widespread or prevalent (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)# When a trust becomes a means of making a profit (at-Tirmidhi, Al-Haythami)# Gains will be shared out only among the rich, with no benefit to the poor (at-Tirmidhi)# Paying zakat becomes a burden and miserliness becomes widespread; charity is given reluctantly (at-Tirmidhi & Al-Haythami)# Miserliness will be thrown into the hearts of people (Bukhari)# Episodes of sudden death will become widespread (Ahmad)# There will be people who will be brethren in public but enemies in secret (He was asked how that would come about and replied, "Because they will have ulterior motives in their mutual dealings and at the same time will fear one another.") (at-Tirmidhi)# When a man obeys his wife and disobeys his mother; and treats his friend kindly while shunning his father (at-Tirmidhi)# When voices are raised in the mosques (at-Tirmidhi)# People will walk in the marketplace with their thighs exposed# Great distances will be traversed in short spans of time# The people of Iraq will recieve no food and no money due to oppression by the Romans (Europeans) (Muslim)# People will hop between the clouds and the earth# A tribulation will enter everyone�s home (Ahmad)# The leader of a people will be the worst of them (at-Tirmidhi)# Leaders of people will be oppressors (Al-Haythami)# People will treat a man with respect out of fear for some evil he might do (at-Tirmidhi)# Men will begin to wear silk (at-Tirmidhi)# Female singers and musical instruments will become popular (at-Tirmidhi)# When singers become common (Al-Haythami)# People will dance late into the night# When the last ones of the Ummah begin to curse the first ones (at-Tirmidhi)# People will claim to follow the Qur'an but will reject hadith & sunnah (Abu Dawood)# People will believe in the stars (Al-Haythami)# People will reject al-Qadr (the Divine Decree of Destiny) (Al-Haythami)# Time will pass rapidly (Bukhari, Muslim, & Ahmad)# Good deeds will decrease (Bukhari)# Smog will appear over cities because of the evil that they are doing# People will be carrying on with their trade, but their will only be a few trustworthy persons# Wealth will increase so much so that if a man were given 10,000, he would not be content with it (Ahmad & Bukhari)# A man will pass by a grave and wish that he was in their place (Bukhari)# Earthquakes will increase (Bukhari & Muslim)# There will be attempts to make the deserts green# The appearance of false messengers (30 dajjals) (Bukhari)# Women will be naked in spite of being dressed, these women will be led astray & will lead others astray (Muslim)# The conquest of Constantinople by the Muslims (Ahmad)# The conquest of India by the Muslims, just prior to the return of Jesus, son of Mary (peace be upon both of them)(Ahmad, an-Nisa'i, at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)# When people begin to compete with others in the construction of taller buildings (Bukhari)# There will be a special greeting for the people of distinction (Ahmad)# The Euphrates will disclose a treasure (The Prophet, peace be upon him, said that whoever is present should not take anything from it) (Bukhari & Muslim)# Two large groups, adhering to the same religious teaching will fight each other with large numbers of casualties (Bukhari & Muslim)# Wild animals will be able to talk to humans (Ahmad)# A man will leave his home and his thigh or hip will tell him what is happening back at his home (Ahmad)# Years of deceit in which the truthful person will not be believed and the liar will be believed (Ahmad)# Bearing false witness will become widespread (Al-Haythami & Ahmad)# When men lie with men and women lie with women (Al-Haythami)# Trade will become so widespread that a woman will be forced to help her husband in business (Ahmad)# A woman will enter the workforce out of love for this world (Ahmad)# Arrogance will increase in the earth (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)# Family ties will be cut (Ahmad)# There will be many women of child-bearing age who will no longer give birth.# There will be an abundance of food, much of which has no blessing in it.# People will refuse when offerred food.# Men will begin to look like women and women will begin to look like menAuzubillahThe Major Signs:Although they appear here in no particular order, it is important to point out that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said that these last, major signs will follow each other like pearls falling off of a necklace...# Masih ad-Dajjal (The AntiChrist)# The Mahdi# The appearance of Masih al-�Isa (Jesus Christ), the son of Mary (peace be upon him)# Ya�juj and Ma�juj (Gog and Magog)# The destruction of the Ka�bah and the recovery of its treasure# Emergence of the Beast# The smoke# Three major landslides (one in the East, one in the West, and one on the Arabian peninsula)# The wind will take the souls of the believers# The rising of the sun from the west# The fire will drive the people to their final gathering place# Three blasts of the trumpet (fear & terror, death, resurrection)

i dont think we have long left honestlywe need to get on our deen completely and properly inshaAllah

[NO SUNSHINE]

people read things such as the "minor signs" seymour cake posted and assume that there was some golden age of mankind many years ago when people weren't greedy, selfish, jealous, adulterous etc. when in reality:

people have always been like this

[carpedeum]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

[Thun]

Look at the advancement in science alone in the past 100 years and how fast its all moving

[Guest WAVESURFER]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

Same way their parents were shocked at things they did.I refuse to believe that you honestly think parents disapproving of kids' behaviour is some kind of new phenomenon.

[NO SUNSHINE]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

Same way their parents were shocked at things they did.I refuse to believe that you honestly think parents disapproving of kids' behaviour is some kind of new phenomenon.

Innit.Some basic-thinking guy.

[BLACK VICTIM]

children having children, madness

[Grafter]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

Same way their parents were shocked at things they did.I refuse to believe that you honestly think parents disapproving of kids' behaviour is some kind of new phenomenon.

yh but its because things are getting worse

[NO SUNSHINE]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

Same way their parents were shocked at things they did.I refuse to believe that you honestly think parents disapproving of kids' behaviour is some kind of new phenomenon.

yh but its because things are getting worse

Are they really though?Do you really believe there are more murders, more poverty, worse quality of life, more abuse and corruption today than there was 100/150/200/250/300/350/400/450/500 etc. years ago?Think about it.

[carpedeum]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

Same way their parents were shocked at things they did.I refuse to believe that you honestly think parents disapproving of kids' behaviour is some kind of new phenomenon.

Innit.Some basic-thinking guy.

ur the ones who are the basic simplistic thinking ones actually. each generation gets worse, but how is that different from what was written in the bible? it says these things shall get worse, they shall increase which means it shall be more widespread. people have always loved money yes...but when it says men shall be lovers of money it points to a time when money shall be possible to me made much easier, much faster, and alot more of it, by alot more people. and in anycase these are one of the signs, not just THE only sign. talk about basic thinking!

[Grafter]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

Same way their parents were shocked at things they did.I refuse to believe that you honestly think parents disapproving of kids' behaviour is some kind of new phenomenon.

yh but its because things are getting worse

Are they really though?Do you really believe there are more murders, more poverty, worse quality of life, more abuse and corruption today than there was 100/150/200/250/300/350/400/450/500 etc. years ago?Think about it.

i think u need to think about it actually

[Guest WAVESURFER]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

Same way their parents were shocked at things they did.I refuse to believe that you honestly think parents disapproving of kids' behaviour is some kind of new phenomenon.

Innit.Some basic-thinking guy.

ur the ones who are the basic simplistic thinking ones actually. each generation gets worse, but how is that different from what was written in the bible? it says these things shall get worse, they shall increase which means it shall be more widespread. people have always loved money yes...but when it says men shall be lovers of money it points to a time when money shall be possible to me made much easier, much faster, and alot more of it, by alot more people. and in anycase these are one of the signs, not just THE only sign. talk about basic thinking!

Dunno what that's got to do with the post I quoted tbh.

[NO SUNSHINE]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

Same way their parents were shocked at things they did.I refuse to believe that you honestly think parents disapproving of kids' behaviour is some kind of new phenomenon.

yh but its because things are getting worse

Are they really though?Do you really believe there are more murders, more poverty, worse quality of life, more abuse and corruption today than there was 100/150/200/250/300/350/400/450/500 etc. years ago?Think about it.

i think u need to think about it actually

Please explain to me how "things are getting worse"In what way?Proof/evidence for this claim?

[Guest WAVESURFER]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

Same way their parents were shocked at things they did.I refuse to believe that you honestly think parents disapproving of kids' behaviour is some kind of new phenomenon.

yh but its because things are getting worse

Are they really though?Do you really believe there are more murders, more poverty, worse quality of life, more abuse and corruption today than there was 100/150/200/250/300/350/400/450/500 etc. years ago?Think about it.

i think u need to think about it actually

PMSLGood retort, smaddy.Them skilled debaters there.

[carpedeum]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

Same way their parents were shocked at things they did.I refuse to believe that you honestly think parents disapproving of kids' behaviour is some kind of new phenomenon.

Innit.Some basic-thinking guy.

ur the ones who are the basic simplistic thinking ones actually. each generation gets worse, but how is that different from what was written in the bible? it says these things shall get worse, they shall increase which means it shall be more widespread. people have always loved money yes...but when it says men shall be lovers of money it points to a time when money shall be possible to me made much easier, much faster, and alot more of it, by alot more people. and in anycase these are one of the signs, not just THE only sign. talk about basic thinking!

Dunno what that's got to do with the post I quoted tbh.

then maybe u shouldnt comment until you do. just a thought

[Vtec]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

guess they forget they where just as rebelious back in the day. I cant even stand some 13-15yrs old myself. esp if I ever have to catch a bus. So noisy and irrittating.yet back then I was just as bad, running riot, setting off fireworks, fights and random madness on public buses.Teenage raging hormones. vs fully fledged adults who have acquired more experience and wisdom to handle and look at sh*t differently.

[Guest WAVESURFER]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

Same way their parents were shocked at things they did.I refuse to believe that you honestly think parents disapproving of kids' behaviour is some kind of new phenomenon.

Innit.Some basic-thinking guy.

ur the ones who are the basic simplistic thinking ones actually. each generation gets worse, but how is that different from what was written in the bible? it says these things shall get worse, they shall increase which means it shall be more widespread. people have always loved money yes...but when it says men shall be lovers of money it points to a time when money shall be possible to me made much easier, much faster, and alot more of it, by alot more people. and in anycase these are one of the signs, not just THE only sign. talk about basic thinking!

Dunno what that's got to do with the post I quoted tbh.

then maybe u shouldnt comment until you do. just a thought

Knew you would post something like this.

[Grafter]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

Same way their parents were shocked at things they did.I refuse to believe that you honestly think parents disapproving of kids' behaviour is some kind of new phenomenon.

yh but its because things are getting worse

Are they really though?Do you really believe there are more murders, more poverty, worse quality of life, more abuse and corruption today than there was 100/150/200/250/300/350/400/450/500 etc. years ago?Think about it.

i think u need to think about it actually

PMSLGood retort, smaddy.Them skilled debaters there.

yes,thank you

[carpedeum]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

guess they forget they where just as rebelious back in the day. I cant even stand some 13-15yrs old myself. esp if I ever have to catch a bus. So noisy and irrittating.yet back then I was just as bad, running riot, setting off fireworks, fights and random madness on public buses.Teenage raging hormones. vs fully fledged adults who have acquired more experience and wisdom to handle and look at sh*t differently.

well thank God the bible didnt ONLY say in the last days children will be rebellious then innit!!

[carpedeum]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

Same way their parents were shocked at things they did.I refuse to believe that you honestly think parents disapproving of kids' behaviour is some kind of new phenomenon.

Innit.Some basic-thinking guy.

ur the ones who are the basic simplistic thinking ones actually. each generation gets worse, but how is that different from what was written in the bible? it says these things shall get worse, they shall increase which means it shall be more widespread. people have always loved money yes...but when it says men shall be lovers of money it points to a time when money shall be possible to me made much easier, much faster, and alot more of it, by alot more people. and in anycase these are one of the signs, not just THE only sign. talk about basic thinking!

Dunno what that's got to do with the post I quoted tbh.

then maybe u shouldnt comment until you do. just a thought

Knew you would post something like this.

that's great to know that u wont get me arguing aimlessly with you. nice one

[Duzza]

people read things such as the "minor signs" seymour cake posted and assume that there was some golden age of mankind many years ago when people weren't greedy, selfish, jealous, adulterous etc. when in reality:

people have always been like this

haha how you going to take what i said out of context like that lol, that's some sneaky journalism techniques there

[Vtec]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

guess they forget they where just as rebelious back in the day. I cant even stand some 13-15yrs old myself. esp if I ever have to catch a bus. So noisy and irrittating.yet back then I was just as bad, running riot, setting off fireworks, fights and random madness on public buses.Teenage raging hormones. vs fully fledged adults who have acquired more experience and wisdom to handle and look at sh*t differently.

well thank God the bible didnt ONLY say in the last days children will be rebellious then innit!!

sorry not quite following where ur going with this, or the topic in general. Just saw ur post and replied from my perspective thats all.Happy days.

[Guest WAVESURFER]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

guess they forget they where just as rebelious back in the day. I cant even stand some 13-15yrs old myself. esp if I ever have to catch a bus. So noisy and irrittating.yet back then I was just as bad, running riot, setting off fireworks, fights and random madness on public buses.Teenage raging hormones. vs fully fledged adults who have acquired more experience and wisdom to handle and look at sh*t differently.

well thank God the bible didnt ONLY say in the last days children will be rebellious then innit!!

sorry not quite following where ur going with this, or the topic in general. Just saw ur post and replied from my perspective thats all.Happy days.

Even Carpe himself doesn't know where he's going with his scattershot arguments.Don't worry about it.

[carpedeum]

i doubt people have always been like this. if they were then why are ur parents so shocked at things kids do nowdays?why are people of 25yrs and above so shocked at things some teenagers do today??

guess they forget they where just as rebelious back in the day. I cant even stand some 13-15yrs old myself. esp if I ever have to catch a bus. So noisy and irrittating.yet back then I was just as bad, running riot, setting off fireworks, fights and random madness on public buses.Teenage raging hormones. vs fully fledged adults who have acquired more experience and wisdom to handle and look at sh*t differently.

well thank God the bible didnt ONLY say in the last days children will be rebellious then innit!!

sorry not quite following where ur going with this, or the topic in general. Just saw ur post and replied from my perspective thats all.Happy days.

its common for pple to get pedantic over one part of an arguement completely ignoring the rest of it. hanking on about wether or not children are more rebellious today than yesterday is just one of many many issues that point to 'the last days'. this was what was being discussed? so wether or not children were or were not as rebellious (and they probably were imo) theres a long list of other factors that along with rebellion allude to the last days. if they are true, then why would this one not be? and if they arent true then explain why.

[djbmc]

There is f*ck all going on now that wasn't happenin way back when, u think about the kind of stuff they did to each other in medieval times, when we were supposedly closer to God.