Tottenham/ London riots/ Mark Duggan IPCC Investigation

[Niall Ferguson]

So I was correct.

Remove the riots for one second, and what David Starkey was GETTING AT (not necessarily what he said) was bang on in my opinion.

What was he getting at?

Black culture = bad, white culture = good, and that young white people have been tainted by black culture.

Nah you're not correct. But I'm fine for you to think that, it's totally inconsequential to anything outside of this topic.I'm happy to let these black boys keep living their lives thinking everyone who dares to criticise the way they are living/acting is racist, while casually being helped along by the liberal elite who don't live anywhere near the hood, and so don't have a f*ck*ng clue what's going on. GL GG

The only thing I have requested of you is to explain what you mean. The ONE THING I have asked you is to tell me what you think he is talking about. I'm not calling you racist, I'm not calling you ignorant, I'm not calling you anything. I'm just asking for you to explain yourself. And you CANNOT explain yourself. That means you KNOW you're full of bullshit. What are you? You're full of bullshit. And you know it. Now stop being a stupid f*ck*ng prick.

See my above post.Then go and diagf.

[Gunner]

are you saying that he was eluding to the fact that whites are copying the worst of our culture this our culture gets a unfairly represented as bad and having a negative influence on things. a lot of blacks dont like the fact that certain certains 'beg' it.

[Dr Doom]

are you saying that he was eluding to the fact that whites are copying the worst of our culture this our culture gets a unfairly represented as bad and having a negative influence on things. a lot of blacks dont like the fact that certain certains 'beg' it.

He doesn't know what he's saying.

[Gunner]

i am black if that helps.

[Niall Ferguson]

are you saying that he was eluding to the fact that whites are copying the worst of our culture this our culture gets a unfairly represented as bad and having a negative influence on things. a lot of blacks dont like the fact that certain certains 'beg' it.

This is a decent analysis, but I don't think it is OUR culture. That's Starkey's first mistake.

[Gunner]

are you saying that he was eluding to the fact that whites are copying the worst of our culture this our culture gets a unfairly represented as bad and having a negative influence on things. a lot of blacks dont like the fact that certain certains 'beg' it.

This is a decent analysis, but I don't think it is OUR culture. That's Starkey's first mistake.

Hmm.Im not gonna read 300+ pages, but ive said on more than a few occasions to people ive spoken too about this issue and about issues before this whole thing blew up that we wanna riot when a fed kills one of our people but not when we kill our own. I am in no way defending the fed or saying that shouldnt have protested. but say, no fed ever kills andother black. Aint gonna stop the problems in our community which only we can solve. We do alot of stye over substance sh*t us blacks.

[Dr Doom]

Mothers meeting time.

[Niall Ferguson]

We do alot of stye over substance sh*t us blacks.

[Flojo]

are you saying that he was eluding to the fact that whites are copying the worst of our culture this our culture gets a unfairly represented as bad and having a negative influence on things. a lot of blacks dont like the fact that certain certains 'beg' it.

This is a decent analysis, but I don't think it is OUR culture. That's Starkey's first mistake.

He didn't say or allude to this, he didn't make any references to positive parts of black culture. He even went as far to say that successful black people sound white which means that sounding black would deem a person what? He talked about patwa being responsible for butchering the english language, I'm from Yorkshire where we say owt and nowt as well as a host of other lazy phrases that aren't the queens english. Does he think the members in the EDL that detest black culture are speaking the queens English? What a mug.When music of black culture was brought up he instantaneously jumped on rap because to people like him they think it's all negative.Why didn't he bring up Ska, or Reggae or Soul to counter balance rap music which to many has negative connotations, he didn't because based on what he said white culture = sophisticated and civilised whereas black culture = regressive and uncivilised.

[Niall Ferguson]

are you saying that he was eluding to the fact that whites are copying the worst of our culture this our culture gets a unfairly represented as bad and having a negative influence on things. a lot of blacks dont like the fact that certain certains 'beg' it.

This is a decent analysis, but I don't think it is OUR culture. That's Starkey's first mistake.

He didn't say or allude to this, he didn't make any references to positive parts of black culture. He even went as far to say that successful black people sound white which means that sounding black would deem a person what? He talked about patwa being responsible for butchering the english language, I'm from Yorkshire where we say owt and nowt as well as a host of other lazy phrases that aren't the queens english. Does he think the members in the EDL that detest black culture are speaking the queens English? What a mug.When music of black culture was brought up he instantaneously jumped on rap because to people like him they think it's all negative.Why didn't he bring up Ska, or Reggae or Soul to counter balance rap music which to many has negative connotations, he didn't because based on what he said white culture = sophisticated and civilised whereas black culture = regressive and uncivilised.

You're from Yorkshire. Even if you have any colour, you're white to me, so fall back nicely.

[Flojo]

are you saying that he was eluding to the fact that whites are copying the worst of our culture this our culture gets a unfairly represented as bad and having a negative influence on things. a lot of blacks dont like the fact that certain certains 'beg' it.

This is a decent analysis, but I don't think it is OUR culture. That's Starkey's first mistake.

He didn't say or allude to this, he didn't make any references to positive parts of black culture. He even went as far to say that successful black people sound white which means that sounding black would deem a person what? He talked about patwa being responsible for butchering the english language, I'm from Yorkshire where we say owt and nowt as well as a host of other lazy phrases that aren't the queens english. Does he think the members in the EDL that detest black culture are speaking the queens English? What a mug.When music of black culture was brought up he instantaneously jumped on rap because to people like him they think it's all negative.Why didn't he bring up Ska, or Reggae or Soul to counter balance rap music which to many has negative connotations, he didn't because based on what he said white culture = sophisticated and civilised whereas black culture = regressive and uncivilised.

You're from Yorkshire. Even if you have any colour, you're white to me, so fall back nicely.

You're a fanny.I actually read your posts rather than looking at your avatar and realising which victim of a bosh I was replying to.No more needs to be said.

[Niall Ferguson]

are you saying that he was eluding to the fact that whites are copying the worst of our culture this our culture gets a unfairly represented as bad and having a negative influence on things. a lot of blacks dont like the fact that certain certains 'beg' it.

This is a decent analysis, but I don't think it is OUR culture. That's Starkey's first mistake.

He didn't say or allude to this, he didn't make any references to positive parts of black culture. He even went as far to say that successful black people sound white which means that sounding black would deem a person what? He talked about patwa being responsible for butchering the english language, I'm from Yorkshire where we say owt and nowt as well as a host of other lazy phrases that aren't the queens english. Does he think the members in the EDL that detest black culture are speaking the queens English? What a mug.When music of black culture was brought up he instantaneously jumped on rap because to people like him they think it's all negative.Why didn't he bring up Ska, or Reggae or Soul to counter balance rap music which to many has negative connotations, he didn't because based on what he said white culture = sophisticated and civilised whereas black culture = regressive and uncivilised.

You're from Yorkshire. Even if you have any colour, you're white to me, so fall back nicely.

You're a fanny.I actually read your posts rather than looking at your avatar and realising which victim of a bosh I was replying to.No more needs to be said.

Old joke bro. No evidence exists, just VIP2 hearsay.Suck your mum's life out.

[Flojo]

are you saying that he was eluding to the fact that whites are copying the worst of our culture this our culture gets a unfairly represented as bad and having a negative influence on things. a lot of blacks dont like the fact that certain certains 'beg' it.

This is a decent analysis, but I don't think it is OUR culture. That's Starkey's first mistake.

He didn't say or allude to this, he didn't make any references to positive parts of black culture. He even went as far to say that successful black people sound white which means that sounding black would deem a person what? He talked about patwa being responsible for butchering the english language, I'm from Yorkshire where we say owt and nowt as well as a host of other lazy phrases that aren't the queens english. Does he think the members in the EDL that detest black culture are speaking the queens English? What a mug.When music of black culture was brought up he instantaneously jumped on rap because to people like him they think it's all negative.Why didn't he bring up Ska, or Reggae or Soul to counter balance rap music which to many has negative connotations, he didn't because based on what he said white culture = sophisticated and civilised whereas black culture = regressive and uncivilised.

You're from Yorkshire. Even if you have any colour, you're white to me, so fall back nicely.

You're a fanny.I actually read your posts rather than looking at your avatar and realising which victim of a bosh I was replying to.No more needs to be said.

Old joke bro. No evidence exists, just VIP2 hearsay.Suck your mum's life out.

I saw you exchanging emotional posts with her in Love and Life you fruitcake and I doubt I'm the only one.The thing is prior to that I never really noticed you, but she clearly chipped away at your self esteem because you've been a monumental c*nt ever since.This is a good thread lets not derail it any further.

[Niall Ferguson]

are you saying that he was eluding to the fact that whites are copying the worst of our culture this our culture gets a unfairly represented as bad and having a negative influence on things. a lot of blacks dont like the fact that certain certains 'beg' it.

This is a decent analysis, but I don't think it is OUR culture. That's Starkey's first mistake.

He didn't say or allude to this, he didn't make any references to positive parts of black culture. He even went as far to say that successful black people sound white which means that sounding black would deem a person what? He talked about patwa being responsible for butchering the english language, I'm from Yorkshire where we say owt and nowt as well as a host of other lazy phrases that aren't the queens english. Does he think the members in the EDL that detest black culture are speaking the queens English? What a mug.When music of black culture was brought up he instantaneously jumped on rap because to people like him they think it's all negative.Why didn't he bring up Ska, or Reggae or Soul to counter balance rap music which to many has negative connotations, he didn't because based on what he said white culture = sophisticated and civilised whereas black culture = regressive and uncivilised.

You're from Yorkshire. Even if you have any colour, you're white to me, so fall back nicely.

You're a fanny.I actually read your posts rather than looking at your avatar and realising which victim of a bosh I was replying to.No more needs to be said.

Old joke bro. No evidence exists, just VIP2 hearsay.Suck your mum's life out.

I saw you exchanging emotional posts with her in Love and Life you fruitcake and I doubt I'm the only one.The thing is prior to that I never really noticed you, but she clearly chipped away at your self esteem because you've been a monumental c*nt ever since.This is a good thread lets not derail it any further.

It's not a good thread. It's just full of people talking shite about a news event.

[Dr Doom]

are you saying that he was eluding to the fact that whites are copying the worst of our culture this our culture gets a unfairly represented as bad and having a negative influence on things. a lot of blacks dont like the fact that certain certains 'beg' it.

This is a decent analysis, but I don't think it is OUR culture. That's Starkey's first mistake.

He didn't say or allude to this, he didn't make any references to positive parts of black culture. He even went as far to say that successful black people sound white which means that sounding black would deem a person what? He talked about patwa being responsible for butchering the english language, I'm from Yorkshire where we say owt and nowt as well as a host of other lazy phrases that aren't the queens english. Does he think the members in the EDL that detest black culture are speaking the queens English? What a mug.When music of black culture was brought up he instantaneously jumped on rap because to people like him they think it's all negative.Why didn't he bring up Ska, or Reggae or Soul to counter balance rap music which to many has negative connotations, he didn't because based on what he said white culture = sophisticated and civilised whereas black culture = regressive and uncivilised.

You're from Yorkshire. Even if you have any colour, you're white to me, so fall back nicely.

Are you so scared that you'll be proved wrong that you instantly hide behind race?

[LevelLouie]

seeing this thread discussion how people think on both sides right or wrong, and whats going on around the world in general has opened my eyes, is there any hope for the people, human race? is it worth fixing after its deemed possible all the world problems can possibly be fixed? I bet if there is a god up there hes washed his hands a looong time ago. This world is f*cked

[Dr Doom]

seeing this thread discussion how people think on both sides right or wrong, and whats going on around the world in general has opened my eyes, is there any hope for the people, human race? is it worth fixing after its deemed possible all the world problems can possibly be fixed? I bet if there is a god up there hes washed his hands a looong time ago. This world is f*cked

Lol this planet has been f*cked for a long time, nothing new.If there was a God then he would've created these flaws so I'd assume everything is going according to his plan.

[Niall Ferguson]

seeing this thread discussion how people think on both sides right or wrong, and whats going on around the world in general has opened my eyes, is there any hope for the people, human race? is it worth fixing after its deemed possible all the world problems can possibly be fixed? I bet if there is a god up there hes washed his hands a looong time ago. This world is f*cked

Lol this planet has been f*cked for a long time, nothing new.If there was a God then he would've created these flaws so I'd assume everything is going according to his plan.

Money and greed are the problems.

[Dr Doom]

Greed is the problem. If you removed money something else would replace it.

[Niall Ferguson]

Greed is the problem. If you removed money something else would replace it.

OK Mr Pedantic, the greed that comes about from the pursuit of more money.

[LevelLouie]

so is it worth fixing? wont it come back again anyway?

[Niall Ferguson]

so is it worth fixing? wont it come back again anyway?

Part of me is hopeful but only a small part. My approach is not to beat the system from the outside looking in, but from the inside looking out. Get to your role, never forget your roots and help as many people as you can get to theirs.

[Vertigo]

Youtube version of that Starkey interview

[Kompressor]

c/s the working smart over working hardDEFINATLEY

Nice summation of my post, Racism us around us, but in 2011 the only person who can hold you bsck is yourself and your own insecurities IMO.Saying that though a lot of black people who achieve an carries themselves in s highly professional manner us called a bounty, In reality I think at least half if the time it's a case where we ourselves are holding each other back.For instance if s black person was made head of the police force, that decision is one that should be celebrated as great progress, however we all know how that news will be greeted, and how that person would be viewed.

ur right to an extent but also wrong. Being smart and aware of racism is very vital imo.the peo[ple who you claim get to the top and are labelled bounties usually ARE bounties...and whats annoying is that they are usually powerless bounties.theres nothign more annoying than some backbenching MP to be beating his or her chest about being black, and rolled out every time a -black face is needed for rent for the media or govt to bash black people or the so called black community.Michelle Obama was fighting for her causes right from uni...and she is still reflective of these causes and her culture that translates at all levels of her "community". take the recent invitation to common to the white house for example....Obama..has been a let down in many ways, but not in a bounty sort of way...and his track record in terms of what his beliefs were and who he assicated with before he became president was exemplary.people are not as stupid as the givt adn media think. before you roll out some black face for us speaking as a "leader of the black community" ..what exactly are this person's credentials apart from being black and relatively successful. who the hell told you thats just enough??? many young black people will relate to Alan sugar 100% more than they can relate to david lammy or Trevor Phillips or trevor macdonald.its not just about being a black face who's sat in board rooms. its about what you have said in the past, what your actions were, who you associated with, what llegacy you have left behind. not everyone has to go to harvard or cambridge to be successful. All these so called community leaders here are mostly shite...powerless toothless noisemakers with a black face. this has been evident during and after these riots. apart from Darcus, nims obunge and to a lesser exten diane abbot...everyone else was just rolled out to get their 5 mins of fame.

I hear you fully and pretty much 100% agree however the term bounty does get banded about wrongly a lot of the time, Rev Nims is a great nsn, who dies great work got the community , however despite all his hard work determination and passion even he will concede that even he will struggle to "lead" a lot of the youth, (I work with the hard to reach) as they fully couldn't give a sh*t, As for Darcus, my brother asked me a question Yesterday, "how many of these youths 13-19 would recognise him in the street an recognise who he is and what he does?Something I'm gonna look into when I return to work as I have an idea but want to check properly first.But yeah, the bulk if your post I agree with

[Kompressor]

extreme measures for extreme situations = 2 wrongs claming to be rightanyways big up this boy who gave an interview about one week before totty shooting on cuts to Haringeyand he said there's gonna be riots..http://www.guardian....-closures-video / its all banter, they cannot cut benefits, or evict any body. any benefits cut will be available as some form of loan..its just a remixed form of benefits.

Whether there had or hadn't been cuts, these riots would've still happened given the circumstances, don't try piggy back one argument using the other here,

HAS ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN JAILED BEEN NON BLACK?!?!?!?

Silly question, of course other races have been jailed, pay more attention.

WHY ARE THESE GOING JAIL(I NO THE ANSWER TO WOT IM GONNA SAY BUT STILL)AND THEN THE WHITE GIRL WHO HAS MILLIONAIRE PARENTS JUST GETS A f*ck*ng TAGG... WHERES THE GENERAL SHARING IN SENTENCING THERE...!!!?!?!!!

TBH ...i wouldnt be surprised if that white girl goes jail...i reckon her fam jus blagged her some hometime before she gets sentence.

Of course this is what has happened, I don't know why people are just choosing to ignore the details of the situation, RIch Family black or White, has the opportunity to get in a top brief, who will get the best outcome for the client, she will serve some sort if sentence and be punished, but with any damage would be limited, Now compare this to somebody on legal aid.........

What's wrong with being stopped and search?If you've done nothing wrong and have nothing on you that you shouldn't have then whats the problem?Little 5 minute delay to your journey then off you go.f*ck off about police state Thun, you chat the most sh*t man

I don't like this point if view, even If I understand where your coming from.

so is it worth fixing? wont it come back again anyway?

Part of me is hopeful but only a small part. My approach is not to beat the system from the outside looking in, but from the inside looking out. Get to your role, never forget your roots and help as many people as you can get to theirs.

What I've been told from early, Get to your position of power then you have the ability to help those around you,