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[Kompressor]

Fergie has always put the intrests of himself and his own first, that'll never surprise anyone, some players/people gave suffered from it, however in the main the club has benifitted from the c*nt like behaviour he displays on occasions, so...........

[HangTheDJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbAiaIqOMHo

[Young £]

He's talking about what happened at PNE. Fergie junior got sacked. Fergie senior recalled all the youngers who were on loan there in retaliation.

i know

but 'pawns to settle scores'

lol what.. hes son got sacked, then he recalled the players he sent there as the new manager was unlikely to play them or even use them as much as hes son was going too..

& 'Darrens a big boy now'.. i think we've all established that everyone would be doing the same thing if they were in Fergies shoes

[Young £]

Nani has no plans to quit Man United

SINGAPORE - Manchester United winger Nani has no plans to quit the English champions following the signing of Ashley Young last week, telling Reuters on Monday he welcomed the competition for a place in the starting line-up at Old Trafford.

Nani had been linked with a move away from Old Trafford by British media and admitted that watching games from the bench was "boring" but the Portuguese said he was looking forward to meeting his new team-mate.

"Of course I have to welcome everyone they sign, I think Man United is a fantastic club. When they bring in new players, they know if it is good for the team or not, and this [Young signing] has to help them," Nani said in the suite of his hotel in Singapore.

"It is good for the team, we want more [players] to help us to win trophies."

The 24-year-old explained that his experiences competing with the world's most expensive player, Cristiano Ronaldo, for a place in the Portugal line-up and previously in the United first team meant he was not concerned by the prospect of reduced appearances following Young's arrival.

"I've been there [at United] when Cristiano was there, Cristiano was one of the best players in the world. At that moment worries about him [taking my place]," Nani said of his prolific countryman, who joined Real Madrid in 2009.

The Portuguese began last season in scintillating form before tailing off and losing his place in the side to Antonio Valencia for the 3-1 defeat by Barcelona in the Champions League final last month.

Former South Korean international Park Ji-sung also started the Wembley final on the flank ahead of Nani.

"It was boring because you want to play, everyone wants to play," Nani said. "The finals are for playing but the manager makes the decision and he knows who is better for the team and I have to respect that."

He did, however, come on for the last 20 minutes to replace Brazilian defender Fabio and witnessed first-hand the level that United need to reach if they are to lift the European title for a fourth time.

"[barcelona] are the best team," he said. "They are not unbeatable, maybe a different game we can beat them, you never know. A game is a game and you never know what is going to happen."

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Nani, relaxing in flip flops and shorts after enjoying a few days rest in Singapore, acknowledged that tiredness may have been a factor in manager Sir Alex Ferguson's decision to drop him for the final.

"Last season I played more games [in a season] than ever [before] at Man United, that's why maybe in the last games I didn't look the same as in the first games.

"Now I'm on holiday for some rest, get my power back, at the start of the season I will be fine to start strong again, start to do what I know."

Nani was also in the southeast Asian city state to help promote the Peter Lim Scholarship scheme for the Singapore Olympic Foundation.

Lim, who failed in his bid to buy United's arch-rivals Liverpool last year and who owns a number of United supporter bars in Singapore, invited Nani to talk to school children about his difficult upbringing, where money was tight and luxuries unheard of, and the hard work needed to reach the top.

Nani's desire to return to Manchester for pre-season training appears in contrast to his former United team-mate Carlos Tevez.

Last month Manchester City's Argentine striker Tevez bemoaned life in Manchester and complained of homesickness and poor weather.

The Portuguese said he shared some of Tevez's thoughts on life in Manchester but that he was not there to enjoy the surroundings.

"I think for football it is the best place to live, if you want to be a very good professional and you want to be successful," said Nani.

"It's there where you have to live because there aren't many distractions, you can always focus on your job and good conditions to work, it's good."

Nani said he was also looking forward to Twitter-teasing team-mate and England striker Wayne Rooney, who has had a recent hair transplant to counteract baldness.

"I will see and then after I will write something," he laughed when asked if he would join United captain Rio Ferdinand in poking fun at Rooney.

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[JOHN DOE]

He's talking about what happened at PNE. Fergie junior got sacked. Fergie senior recalled all the youngers who were on loan there in retaliation.

& 'Darrens a big boy now'.. i think we've all established that everyone would be doing the same thing if they were in Fergies shoes

EXACTLY

[Kompressor]

I think the point people are making is that the players were recalled due to Darren being sacked, not because the new manager wasn't going to play them.

And tbh that's how it seemed,

The ultimate point being recalling them just because your sons been sacked and your abit pissed about it is not best for the players involved,

Sending your young players to your son to give him a leg up isn't really the issue, as as s number of people have said we'd all do it, however it could end up being s huge conflict of interest should Darren be shown the door,

[Kompressor]

Nani leaving due to us signing another wide man was always abit of a non starter,

Giggs is now effectively a Cm

Park is good at what he does, but as far as being an effective consistent attacking wide man I don't know, (this isn't me saying he's sh*t or not worth a place in the team/squad)

Cleverly had d good loan spell, but im going to be sceptical about the extent of his involvement with the first team till it happens, and he may be played mostly through the middle in a 3 anyway.

Which really leaves Valencia as our only other wide man. And due to his injury last season it left Nani as being our 1 winger especially when park got injured. And plus Both Valencia and Nani perform best from the right.

[Flojo]

He's talking about what happened at PNE. Fergie junior got sacked. Fergie senior recalled all the youngers who were on loan there in retaliation.

i know

but 'pawns to settle scores'

lol what.. hes son got sacked, then he recalled the players he sent there as the new manager was unlikely to play them or even use them as much as hes son was going too..

& 'Darrens a big boy now'.. i think we've all established that everyone would be doing the same thing if they were in Fergies shoes

It was a bitch move, he recalled the players the next day before he knew who was taking over. lol at trying to dress it up as anything else.

I'm sure getting beat week in week out did wonders for the progress of the players he sent there.

[Young £]

I think the point people are making is that the players were recalled due to Darren being sacked, not because the new manager wasn't going to play them.

And tbh that's how it seemed,

The ultimate point being recalling them just because your sons been sacked and your abit pissed about it is not best for the players involved,

Sending your young players to your son to give him a leg up isn't really the issue, as as s number of people have said we'd all do it, however it could end up being s huge conflict of interest should Darren be shown the door,

He's talking about what happened at PNE. Fergie junior got sacked. Fergie senior recalled all the youngers who were on loan there in retaliation.

i know

but 'pawns to settle scores'

lol what.. hes son got sacked, then he recalled the players he sent there as the new manager was unlikely to play them or even use them as much as hes son was going too..

& 'Darrens a big boy now'.. i think we've all established that everyone would be doing the same thing if they were in Fergies shoes

It was a bitch move, he recalled the players the next day before he knew who was taking over. lol at trying to dress it up as anything else.

I'm sure getting beat week in week out did wonders for the progress of the players he sent there.

lol you two sound like girls.. 'bitch move' 'just because your sons been sacked and your abit pissed about it is not best for the players involved'

Whos to say Fergie never said "im sending you down to my son (hence son, not PNE), whose gonna play you week in week out or as much as possible, it will be great opportunity for you to get some minutes".. i mean.. its plausible isnt it?

thus meaning if Darren were to get sacked? or resign? the players would rightfully return. We dont know do we

what we do know is that Darren is Fergies son, 1st born at that. & whether he did recall them because he's son got sacked or not just shows hes looking out for hes son.

All the players he's ever sent to Darren have always been good moves. i'll like someone to show me one they think wasnt a good move for the player?

and Flojo whether they win, lose or draw playing time in a competitive fixture is always valuable, dunno what point you was tryna make there

[Kompressor]

LOL, bout you two sound like girls.

i was merely giving balance to the arguement, i already stated my views on him sending the young players to his son

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On the Fergie giving his son a leg up thing, it probably works both ways as he'll probably be better abled to keep a close eye on Tunnicliffes progress. And it's at a decent level, so aslong as he settles quick and gets games it should Be a good move for all concerned.

the post you quoted started with me saying

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I think the point people are making is that,

I 've already done stated that him sending the young players to his son is a good thing as he'll be able to keep closer tabs on them and monitor their development a lot more closely, and come to think about it, may even have some degree of a say in how much playing time the player gets.

silly doughnut,

[Kompressor]

in fact i'll post the comment in question again, as you obviously missed it the first time,

smh

Whether it'll be a good move for him or not, us all to be revealed, one thing for sure is he needs to be playing regurlaly at a decent level next season.

On the Fergie giving his son a leg up thing, it probably works both ways as he'll probably be better abled to keep a close eye on Tunnicliffes progress. And it's at a decent level, so aslong as he settles quick and gets games it should Be a good move for all concerned.

you see, here i am highlighting the fact that him sending young players to his son is both helping his son in his job, and also affording the young player valuable playing time, aswell as giving Fergie the opportunity to monitor the progress made more closely than if he went to another random club.

and here i am fully backing the move aslong as The lad gets a good ammount of game time, which he will get, due to the family connection,

Unlike say when Rossi got sent on loan to Newcastle (i think it was) and hardly played.

[Flojo]

I think the point people are making is that the players were recalled due to Darren being sacked, not because the new manager wasn't going to play them.

And tbh that's how it seemed,

The ultimate point being recalling them just because your sons been sacked and your abit pissed about it is not best for the players involved,

Sending your young players to your son to give him a leg up isn't really the issue, as as s number of people have said we'd all do it, however it could end up being s huge conflict of interest should Darren be shown the door,

He's talking about what happened at PNE. Fergie junior got sacked. Fergie senior recalled all the youngers who were on loan there in retaliation.

i know

but 'pawns to settle scores'

lol what.. hes son got sacked, then he recalled the players he sent there as the new manager was unlikely to play them or even use them as much as hes son was going too..

& 'Darrens a big boy now'.. i think we've all established that everyone would be doing the same thing if they were in Fergies shoes

It was a bitch move, he recalled the players the next day before he knew who was taking over. lol at trying to dress it up as anything else.

I'm sure getting beat week in week out did wonders for the progress of the players he sent there.

lol you two sound like girls.. 'bitch move' 'just because your sons been sacked and your abit pissed about it is not best for the players involved'

Whos to say Fergie never said "im sending you down to my son (hence son, not PNE), whose gonna play you week in week out or as much as possible, it will be great opportunity for you to get some minutes".. i mean.. its plausible isnt it?

thus meaning if Darren were to get sacked? or resign? the players would rightfully return. We dont know do we

what we do know is that Darren is Fergies son, 1st born at that. & whether he did recall them because he's son got sacked or not just shows hes looking out for hes son.

All the players he's ever sent to Darren have always been good moves. i'll like someone to show me one they think wasnt a good move for the player?

and Flojo whether they win, lose or draw playing time in a competitive fixture is always valuable, dunno what point you was tryna make there

The point I'm making is that if like you're saying he's sending players to his son on the premise he's going to play them regardless then that's not what I'd call a good loan spell.

The best loan spell for a player is surely playing at a team with a similar style of play as your club where you're going to be judged on merit not because the manager's dad sent you down.

I'm pretty sure there will have been better teams than PNE willing to take on some youth players from Man United, what's in the best interest of the players should take precedence.

Pacheco and Lansbury went on loan to Norwich and came back buzzing cos they helped them get promoted, do you think getting relegated would do wonders for your confidence?

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I also dont think PNE was a food move for a the players. A lot of them gained very little from it.

[Young £]

of course!!

dont be so silly too suggest that playing with the champions is way more beneficial then playing with relegation battlers, every player is different. But every game is a learning curve

because when you know at the end of the day your going back to your parent club, im sure deep deep down. Unless the players have built some sort of rapport with the club i bet they couldnt really give a f*ck. Im sure when they report back to their parent club their confidence is sky high lol, no matter what they're loan period was like

granted you have a fair point maybe there was better teams to loan your players too but like Kompressor said it works both ways. Fergie could have more of a say what happens with them and is more likely to be better informed.

[Young £]

I also dont think PNE was a food move for a the players. A lot of them gained very little from it.

hindsight

at 1st it was a good move, and would of been a good move if Darren remained in charge

[Young £]

lol and kompressor i agreed with everything else you said, maybe i should of added that

just thought that line in particular was abit soft.

[Kompressor]

in addition, again to balance the arguement, when people were talking about Fergie settling scores

In January 2010, Ferguson signed as manager of Preston North End. His first game at home as a manager was an FA cup match against Chelsea on 23 January 2010 which his side lost 2–0. On September 14, 2010, Ferguson was charged with misconduct by the FA after his behaviour in the tunnel towards the referee after a 4–3 Championship defeat by Burnley. After 49 games in charge, winning 13, drawing 12 and losing 24 games he was sacked as manager on 29 December 2010, with Preston North End bottom of the Championship. Following his sacking by Preston, his father Sir Alex Ferguson immediately recalled all three Manchester United players on loan at Preston; Joshua King, Ritchie De Laet, and Matty James. In addition, Sir Alex reportedly also asked his friend, the Stoke City boss Tony Pulis, to recall the two Stoke players on loan at Preston; Danny Pugh and Michael Tonge. This meant that in a single week, Preston had lost five irreplaceable first-team players, effectively sealing their relegation

this is what people were on about,

but feel free to bury your head in the sand,

however yet again i'll repeat my point, i think the loan move will be good for Tunnicliffe, i.e playing in the championship for a manager who will almost bend over backwards to play him as much as possible and will do his upmost to aid his development, due to loyalty to his dad

[Kompressor]

lol and kompressor i agreed with everything else you said, maybe i should of added that

just thought that line in particular was abit soft.

fair enough

[Young £]

in addition, again to balance the arguement, when people were talking about Fergie settling scores

In January 2010, Ferguson signed as manager of Preston North End. His first game at home as a manager was an FA cup match against Chelsea on 23 January 2010 which his side lost 2–0. On September 14, 2010, Ferguson was charged with misconduct by the FA after his behaviour in the tunnel towards the referee after a 4–3 Championship defeat by Burnley. After 49 games in charge, winning 13, drawing 12 and losing 24 games he was sacked as manager on 29 December 2010, with Preston North End bottom of the Championship. Following his sacking by Preston, his father Sir Alex Ferguson immediately recalled all three Manchester United players on loan at Preston; Joshua King, Ritchie De Laet, and Matty James. In addition, Sir Alex reportedly also asked his friend, the Stoke City boss Tony Pulis, to recall the two Stoke players on loan at Preston; Danny Pugh and Michael Tonge. This meant that in a single week, Preston had lost five irreplaceable first-team players, effectively sealing their relegation

lol whos to say Darren never had promises broken? whos to say Darren wasnt promised to have a full season in charge? We dont know the ins & outs so I'm not gonna babble on. Darren could of been f*cked around by PNE's board, and if that was the case f*ck em'

if it was my son, i'll do the same.

did Pulis actually recall hes players? someone find out if thats actually true

[Kompressor]

both Tonge and Pugh were recalled on the 31st December,

Darren was sacked on the 29th

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and no, no new manager was put in place by the time of the players being recalled

Too add to the conspiracy theory angle, both Pugh and Tonge are Mancunian and were apart of the United Youth set-up

so maybe Fergie had some degree of Influence in them signing for Pulis i.e a word in their ear that this guy is a good manager who will get the best out of you,

which then allowed him to have a say in after events,

[Young £]

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in other news

De Gea passed hes medical

lol nice to see our club trying to keep things under wraps

#randomfact about de gea, he has the Longest hand span ever of United keepers and has to have customised gloves made for hes extremely long fingers

very happy with this signing.. sorted for 15 years

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Nice nice.

Fergie/United making good moves this summer. Im impressed so far.

[Young £]

both Tonge and Pugh were recalled on the 31st December,

Darren was sacked on the 29th

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and no, no new manager was put in place by the time of the players being recalled

Then if we dont "bury our heads in the sand" and think are two widely respected managers going to do that over just a simple straight forward sacking?

I bet your bottom dollar there was more to it, for Fergie to feel aggrieved by that, am i the only one who thinks that?

& another thing whos to say Darren didnt phone up Pulis and personally ask for them 2 loan signings, WE DONT KNOW!!!

Obviously Pulis seeing that he had been sacked could of been like "theres no need for them to be there anymore, regardless whos coming in, I made the deal with Darren"

So many ifs, buts & maybes for anyone to be sure

but one thing we can be SURE about, is that whenever Fergie has announced a player going on loan to Darren it has always been a good move for the PLAYER

[Kompressor]

good signing,

his ability to adapt, learn the language and get good chemistry with the defenders will be the only things standing in the way of him being a excellent signing,

just hope this doesnt turn into a similar debarcle that we saw when That Danish guy left

[Kompressor]

both Tonge and Pugh were recalled on the 31st December,

Darren was sacked on the 29th

....................................

and no, no new manager was put in place by the time of the players being recalled

Then if we dont "bury our heads in the sand" and think are two widely respected managers going to do that over just a simple straight forward sacking?

I bet your bottom dollar there was more to it, for Fergie to feel aggrieved by that, am i the only one who thinks that?

& another thing whos to say Darren didnt phone up Pulis and personally ask for them 2 loan signings, WE DONT KNOW!!!

Obviously Pulis seeing that he had been sacked could of been like "theres no need for them to be there anymore, regardless whos coming in, I made the deal with Darren"

So many ifs, buts & maybes for anyone to be sure

but one thing we can be SURE about, is that whenever Fergie has announced a player going on loan to Darren it has always been a good move for the PLAYER

ok,

however surely it would be most sensible to at least wait till the new manager had been appointed, as the new man coming in may have been even better for the players in question, whether the deal was made with Darren or not,

if the loans were made in sole interest of the players, it wouldve been best for them to see who was appointed and how things went from there,

even the staunchest supporters of Fergie will admit that in this case, it seems like the players were used as pawns,

playing devils advocate and putting forward other possibilities and what not, is all good, but tbh this seems like 1 thing.