hiphop I can't take Jay Z serious ever since Ether

[Shawn_Carter]

Yeh what was the thing Nas said about how he was at Jay's first court appearance and how Jay was never a hustler or a street nigga like he makes out.

[Kaiser]

I sold coke I chopped bricks etc etcthat came to an slow end after etherwas I wear button up shirts and smoke on cigars type of lyrics from then onwardscharacter assasination at its finest

[Wavant]

Jay-Z is the original Nas stan.True stories.

[TF S4DK]

Lol.Jay always sold "the hustle."After Ether, the hustler stopped being the drug tales and became - Hustling hip hop and eventually artists like Nas... Fact is and as 50 Cent quickly pointed out, after all of that happened, Nas went to work for Jay...As a man, Nas lost, as far as rap its debatable, infact you can say Nas won but even then when his daughter finds out his mum got slayed by Jay via a rap song well I doubt he'll feel like he won, lol, just remember kids, babymothers are for life, rap aint.

[Strictly Business]

everyones always cryin over who won jay or nas, ether or takeover. bottom line is ether had the punch nas won the battle but who REALLY won?JayZ got the game, thee hottest chick in the game, pushin on for a billie, own record label , clthing line, 40/40, slaughtered mans babymother,i think its obvious jay won this won overal

[Ankle Murda]

everyones always cryin over who won jay or nas, ether or takeover. bottom line is ether had the punch nas won the battle but who REALLY won?JayZ got the game, thee hottest chick in the game, pushin on for a billie, own record label , clthing line, 40/40, slaughtered mans babymother,i think its obvious jay won this won overal

That has nothing to do with the price of fufu.IMO Nobody won the battle but all that other stuff you mentioned is irrelevant.

[fwd mvmntz]

Nas won the battle.Jay won the war.

[Brandnew]

i feel a super post comin on....

a7 yrs later or whatever it is the result istakeover was the better song and diss. it stands the test of time better

who is this guy and where does he ever hear takeover get more reloads than ether...marcy ?

The Nas Jay Z war has startedJay did get deaded in a big way, mans reaction on radio was the nail in the coffin.

IMO Ether is a very overrated diss record, people just reacted it similar to how they reacted to LL Cool J's ''The Ripper Strikes Back''.But I keep about Jay's reaction and how he was nervous or worried, got an audio?

WOW...u actually gonna hate that badly n say ether is not the greatest diss ever... if u said the climate of the game at the time made it look like a bigger diss record then maybe but ure not...jus so u know imho i dnt think an rapper has staged as big a comeback as nas did with stillmatic.Rocafella was at the top of their game and slyly tryna bury nas while he was down...to many tunes on his album murdered the roc..he did it on his own against a movement..thats bigger than any rap battle since...and ever before

had this convo on msn todayI remember being young and taping this off 279(I think it was) on choice FM or some radio stationwas like NAAAAAAAAAH this is f*cked the intro is one of the best 16's in modern day hiphop the way the lyrics were set up you could just know it would be f*ckedBrace yourself for the main eventY'all impatiently waitingIt's like an AIDS test, what's the results?Not positive, who's the best? Pac, Nas and BigAin't no best, East, West, North, South, flossed out, greedyI embrace y'all with napalmBlows up, no guts, left chest, face goneHow could Nas be garbage?Semi-autos at your cartilageBurner at the side of your dome, come outta my throneI got this, locked since '9-1I am the truest, name a rapper that I ain't influencedGave y'all chapters but now I keep my eyes on the JudasWas like WOAH was young and I didn't even understand 80% of what he said and I thought sounds f*ckednow I listen to it much older and I know much more the intro is something elsethen the home truths start hittinI've been f*cked over, left for dead, dissed and forgottenLuck ran out, they hoped that I'd be gone, stiff and rottenY'all just piss on me, sh*t on me, spit on my grave Talk about me, laugh behind my back but in my faceY'all some "well wishers," friendly acting, envy hiding snakesWith your hands out for my money, man, how much can I take?When these streets keep calling, heard it when I was sleepThat this Gay-Z and Cockafella Records wanted beefStarted cocking up my weapon, slowly loading up this ammoTo explode it on a camel, and his soldiers, I can handleThis for dolo and it's manuscript, just sound stupidWhen KRS already made an album called BlueprintFirst, Biggie's ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Bigd*ck sucking lips, why not you let the late, great veteran liveJust a tasterThen the legendary chorus hitsNow the DEADLY verseY'all niggas deal with emotions like bitchesWhat's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brotherYou traded your soul for richesMy child, I've watched you grow up to be famousAnd now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made itYou seem to be only concerned with dissing womenWere you abused as a child, scared to smile, they called you ugly?Well life is hard, hug me, don't reject meOr make records to disrespect me, blatent or indirectlyIn '88 you was getting chased through your buildingCalling my crib and I ain't even give you my numbersAll I did was gave you a style for you to run withSmiling in my face, glad to break bread with the godWearing Jaz chains, no tecs, no cash, no carsNo jail bars Jigga, no pies, no caseJust Hawaiian shirts, hanging with little Chase LMFAO @ everything I highlighted some character assasinationYou a fan, a phony, a fake, a p*ssy, a StanI still whip your ass, you thirty-six in a karate classYou Tae-bo hoe, tryna' work it out, you tryna' get brolic?Ask me if I'm tryna' kick knowledgeNah, I'm tryna' kick the sh*t you need to learn thoughThat ether, that sh*t that make your soul burn slowIs he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy?Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's PuffyRockefeller died of AIDS, that was the end of his chapterAnd that's the guy y'all chose to name your company after?Put it together, I rock hoes, y'all rock fellasAnd now y'all try to take my spot, fellas?Philly's hot rock fellas, put you in a dry spot, fellasIn a pine box with nine shots from my glock, fellas LMFAOFoxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her pussWhat you think, you getting girls now 'cause of your looks?Ne-gro please Low blow but this is a battle worse things have been saidYou no mustache having, with whiskers like a ratCompared to Beans you wackAnd your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame HOME truth againYou ass, went from Jaz to hanging with Caine, to Herb, to BigAnd, Eminem murdered you on your own sh*t FACTYou a d*ck-riding faggot, you love the attentionQueens niggas run you niggas, ask Russell SimmonsHa, R-O-C get gunned up and clapped quickJ.J. Evans get gunned up and clapped quickYour whole damn record label gunned up and clapped quickShawn Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz d*ckSo little shorty's getting gunned up and clapped quickHow much of Biggie's rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips? Home truthWanted to be on every last one of my classicsYou pop sh*t, apologize, nigga, just ask KissThis sh*t was greatnessThis is character assasination at its finest

c/s Perleeeeeeeeeeease believe it !!!

Jay-Z is the original Nas stan.True stories.

TTKK

everyones always cryin over who won jay or nas, ether or takeover. bottom line is ether had the punch nas won the battle but who REALLY won?JayZ got the game, thee hottest chick in the game, pushin on for a billie, own record label , clthing line, 40/40, slaughtered mans babymother,i think its obvious jay won this won overal

kinda like the prince and MJ battle...prince is overall but to this day MJ is that guy...one knew his art and the other his buisness to a degree

[Shawn_Carter]

I showed you your first tech.

[Superstition]

Nas made money for Jay-Z.In addition to that, Jay-Z slutted out his babymama and skeeted on his baby seat.

Jay-Z wanted to silence people who still considered Nas a top 5 emcee. He wanted to crush him completely. While he was down and out after Nastradamus, and Jay-Z was on top of the game and could do no wrong.But Nas' career got revived & revitalised, and he dropped his best album since Illmatic. Not only did Nas do the Hulk Smash on Jigga's soul, he cemented his legendary status forever. And it's also kind of creepy and stalkerish that Jay brags about mashing Nas' leftovers. You get the impression he is not only in awe of him musically, but actually obsessed. But all that is not even relevant. The reason why this discussion always gets derailed onto careers and personal lives, is because musically it's not even a discussion. Jay-Z got urkled and never recovered. And I don't know why people act like Ether was all Cockafella and Gay-Z jokes. Do I have to draw for all the lyrics? Or did some people actually not get it?

[Aquaman]

the nas bandwagon is jokes thothe amount of times he's been murdered. he has no stripes and no respect. fact is jay spat facts nas just fabricated and tossed some insults backcormega murked nascamron obliterated anything that was left of him "take ya daughter, r.kelly have my way with her face woahhhh" = nas dead and buriedand cussed his dead mum. and nas never responded? smh.

[Ankle Murda]

the nas bandwagon is jokes thothe amount of times he's been murdered. he has no stripes and no respect. fact is jay spat facts nas just fabricated and tossed some insults backcormega murked nascamron obliterated anything that was left of him "take ya daughter, r.kelly have my way with her face woahhhh" = nas dead and buriedand cussed his dead mum. and nas never responded? smh.

What's really funny is that was only one verse (Takeover). Nas recorded a whole track aimed at Jigga and was pretty much saying as much as Jay did in his one verse lol.WHAT???? I mean, I remember watching The Lick around that time and Trevor Nelson saying that Cam apologised to Nas for mentioning his daughter, but I didn't even remember anything about Cam mentioning his dead mum.Nah, if I was Nas, f*ck responding on wax, Taliban ambush whem Im ere.

[Shawn_Carter]

Someone remind me, why did Cameron even send for Nas at all?And why did Nas and Cormega beef, I never understood that, I always thought Nas, Mobb Deep, Noreaga, Big Noyd, 'Mega, all them man were actually bredrins in real life, or at least knew each other.

[Axiom]

Someone remind me, why did Cameron even send for Nas at all?And why did Nas and Cormega beef, I never understood that, I always thought Nas, Mobb Deep, Noreaga, Big Noyd, 'Mega, all them man were actually bredrins in real life, or at least knew each other.

lol

[Wavant]

Cockney.That is a beautiful sig.

[SPEAK NO EVIL]

the nas bandwagon is jokes thothe amount of times he's been murdered. he has no stripes and no respect. fact is jay spat facts nas just fabricated and tossed some insults backcormega murked nascamron obliterated anything that was left of him "take ya daughter, r.kelly have my way with her face woahhhh" = nas dead and buriedand cussed his dead mum. and nas never responded? smh.

What's really funny is that was only one verse (Takeover). Nas recorded a whole track aimed at Jigga and was pretty much saying as much as Jay did in his one verse lol.

c/s everything in green

Someone remind me, why did Cameron even send for Nas at all?And why did Nas and Cormega beef, I never understood that, I always thought Nas, Mobb Deep, Noreaga, Big Noyd, 'Mega, all them man were actually bredrins in real life, or at least knew each other.

the firm was meant to be cormega foxy brown nas and az, but cos of some industry issues cormega was replaced by nature and they had beef from then

[Ankle Murda]

Cockney.That is a beautiful sig.

Now here's something we can ALL agree on .If you disagree then you're a homo tbh.

[Shawn_Carter]

the nas bandwagon is jokes thothe amount of times he's been murdered. he has no stripes and no respect. fact is jay spat facts nas just fabricated and tossed some insults backcormega murked nascamron obliterated anything that was left of him "take ya daughter, r.kelly have my way with her face woahhhh" = nas dead and buriedand cussed his dead mum. and nas never responded? smh.

What's really funny is that was only one verse (Takeover). Nas recorded a whole track aimed at Jigga and was pretty much saying as much as Jay did in his one verse lol.

c/s everything in green

Someone remind me, why did Cameron even send for Nas at all?And why did Nas and Cormega beef, I never understood that, I always thought Nas, Mobb Deep, Noreaga, Big Noyd, 'Mega, all them man were actually bredrins in real life, or at least knew each other.

the firm was meant to be cormega foxy brown nas and az, but cos of some industry issues cormega was replaced by nature and they had beef from then

SafeAnd I just looked it up apparently Cam'ron made an "indecipherable comment" about Nas's mother, which he later apologised for."I do want to apologize to his mother and his daughter, though," Cam'ron said of Nas. "'Cause I said some things out of character about his family. I'm just apologizing because I'm a grown man, and I know you shouldn't say things about certain people's family."

[Ankle Murda]

the nas bandwagon is jokes thothe amount of times he's been murdered. he has no stripes and no respect. fact is jay spat facts nas just fabricated and tossed some insults backcormega murked nascamron obliterated anything that was left of him "take ya daughter, r.kelly have my way with her face woahhhh" = nas dead and buriedand cussed his dead mum. and nas never responded? smh.

What's really funny is that was only one verse (Takeover). Nas recorded a whole track aimed at Jigga and was pretty much saying as much as Jay did in his one verse lol.

c/s everything in green

Someone remind me, why did Cameron even send for Nas at all?And why did Nas and Cormega beef, I never understood that, I always thought Nas, Mobb Deep, Noreaga, Big Noyd, 'Mega, all them man were actually bredrins in real life, or at least knew each other.

the firm was meant to be cormega foxy brown nas and az, but cos of some industry issues cormega was replaced by nature and they had beef from then

SafeAnd I just looked it up apparently Cam'ron made an "indecipherable comment" about Nas's mother, which he later apologised for."I do want to apologize to his mother and his daughter, though," Cam'ron said of Nas. "'Cause I said some things out of character about his family. I'm just apologizing because I'm a grown man, and I know you shouldn't say things about certain people's family."

Wait, I ain't heard that freestyle he does over that ''Hate Me Now'' beat for years.I think Cam mentioned his daughter there now that I think about it. But when does he mention his mother?f*ck that, even if he did apologise, the fact that he even thought that up in the first place is disrespectful enough.

[TF S4DK]

Nas was angry at Hot 97 over a Summer Jam he was suppose to headline, so he jumped on Power and vented, and mentioned Cam along with others.So Cam responded...when you seen money in Queenbridge? never,I used to catch the Tunnel,Lil E, Vernon side,I gave him packs and bundles, (ask him)how many grams in an ounce?how many ounces in an eighth,how many eighths in a key, shorty, stay in your place, (I'm Esco nigga)before the AK's in your face,take your daughter, R Kelly,have my way with her face! whoa,and your Mom's a whip wop head,and you claim to be a hip-hop head?ooh wop, two shots in his hip-hop head,this way the whole world know that hip-hop's dead! Which was a violation, Nas never responded as like I've said Dipset goons >>>>>>>> ___________and Nas had more sense to add any fuel to it, as The Dips hd no intention of playing fair...

[Guest Cousin Of Sleep]

Lahi im sure this thread was your doing, I see you fam, and Im guessing sundip JUST heard ether.. www.shrilankanhiphop24/7.com must be real behind the times boy.AnywayTakeover>>>EtherJay spit the truth, and in only one verse and deaded nasNas came with a whole song, half of which was irrelavent, a quarter was childish disses & the rest was good.Nas lost.

[streets.]

had this convo on msn todayI remember being young and taping this off 279(I think it was) on choice FM or some radio stationwas like NAAAAAAAAAH this is f*cked the intro is one of the best 16's in modern day hiphop the way the lyrics were set up you could just know it would be f*ckedBrace yourself for the main eventY'all impatiently waitingIt's like an AIDS test, what's the results?Not positive, who's the best? Pac, Nas and BigAin't no best, East, West, North, South, flossed out, greedyI embrace y'all with napalmBlows up, no guts, left chest, face goneHow could Nas be garbage?Semi-autos at your cartilageBurner at the side of your dome, come outta my throneI got this, locked since '9-1I am the truest, name a rapper that I ain't influencedGave y'all chapters but now I keep my eyes on the JudasWas like WOAH was young and I didn't even understand 80% of what he said and I thought sounds f*ckednow I listen to it much older and I know much more the intro is something elsethen the home truths start hittinI've been f*cked over, left for dead, dissed and forgottenLuck ran out, they hoped that I'd be gone, stiff and rottenY'all just piss on me, sh*t on me, spit on my grave Talk about me, laugh behind my back but in my faceY'all some "well wishers," friendly acting, envy hiding snakesWith your hands out for my money, man, how much can I take?When these streets keep calling, heard it when I was sleepThat this Gay-Z and Cockafella Records wanted beefStarted cocking up my weapon, slowly loading up this ammoTo explode it on a camel, and his soldiers, I can handleThis for dolo and it's manuscript, just sound stupidWhen KRS already made an album called BlueprintFirst, Biggie's ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Bigd*ck sucking lips, why not you let the late, great veteran liveJust a tasterThen the legendary chorus hitsNow the DEADLY verseY'all niggas deal with emotions like bitchesWhat's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brotherYou traded your soul for richesMy child, I've watched you grow up to be famousAnd now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made itYou seem to be only concerned with dissing womenWere you abused as a child, scared to smile, they called you ugly?Well life is hard, hug me, don't reject meOr make records to disrespect me, blatent or indirectlyIn '88 you was getting chased through your buildingCalling my crib and I ain't even give you my numbersAll I did was gave you a style for you to run withSmiling in my face, glad to break bread with the godWearing Jaz chains, no tecs, no cash, no carsNo jail bars Jigga, no pies, no caseJust Hawaiian shirts, hanging with little Chase LMFAO @ everything I highlighted some character assasinationYou a fan, a phony, a fake, a p*ssy, a StanI still whip your ass, you thirty-six in a karate classYou Tae-bo hoe, tryna' work it out, you tryna' get brolic?Ask me if I'm tryna' kick knowledgeNah, I'm tryna' kick the sh*t you need to learn thoughThat ether, that sh*t that make your soul burn slowIs he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy?Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's PuffyRockefeller died of AIDS, that was the end of his chapterAnd that's the guy y'all chose to name your company after?Put it together, I rock hoes, y'all rock fellasAnd now y'all try to take my spot, fellas?Philly's hot rock fellas, put you in a dry spot, fellasIn a pine box with nine shots from my glock, fellas LMFAOFoxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her pussWhat you think, you getting girls now 'cause of your looks?Ne-gro please Low blow but this is a battle worse things have been saidYou no mustache having, with whiskers like a ratCompared to Beans you wackAnd your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame HOME truth againYou ass, went from Jaz to hanging with Caine, to Herb, to BigAnd, Eminem murdered you on your own sh*t FACTYou a d*ck-riding faggot, you love the attentionQueens niggas run you niggas, ask Russell SimmonsHa, R-O-C get gunned up and clapped quickJ.J. Evans get gunned up and clapped quickYour whole damn record label gunned up and clapped quickShawn Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz d*ckSo little shorty's getting gunned up and clapped quickHow much of Biggie's rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips? Home truthWanted to be on every last one of my classicsYou pop sh*t, apologize, nigga, just ask KissThis sh*t was greatnessThis is character assasination at its finest

more or less the above.Another thing to mention is that sometimes, the setting of an event determines it's greatness.If Man Utd were 5 nil up against Norwich and Ryan Giggs scored "that" goal in 1999 no one would be classing it as "the best FA cup goal ever". But because of who he was up against, the timing of the goal and the occaision - its regarded much higher.Same with Ether. Maybe if Rass Kass recorded it for Game in 2007 we wouldnt be classing it as classic. But at the end of the day -its setting in the story determined its greatness.Topics being made about it 7 years on and people replying = its 'ard body

[kph]

Yeah Jay won the war but just for track against track Jay lost.Just check out Nas doin Ether live in Central Park, everybody knows every lyric and watch the crowd get hype for the reload, that just don't happen for Takeover.

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[Guest Eduardo]

Both disses were sh*t.

[MF Cunt]

Still a historical battle in hip hop dont think another one has topped it whose seen this vidof Prodigy talking about jay and nas beefhttp://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/vide...2o51kzY2ooLzgOK