Guest DN Braund Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 DNA database 'breach of rights' Two British men should not have had their DNA and fingerprints retained by police, the European Court of Human Rights has ruled.The men's information was held by South Yorkshire Police, although neither was convicted of any offence.The judgement could have major implications on how DNA records are stored in the UK's national database.The judges said keeping the information "could not be regarded as necessary in a democratic society".Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she was "disappointed" by the European Court of Human Rights' decision.The database may now have to be scaled back following the unanimous judgement by 17 senior judges from across Europe.Under present laws, the DNA profiles of everyone arrested for a recordable offence in England, Wales and Northern Ireland are kept on the database, regardless of whether they are charged or convicted. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7764069.stmi f*ckin HATE Jacqui Smith, why the f*ck do you need to keep the details of ppl who aint done sh*t? infact why do you need the whole thing anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstition Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Yeah, Jacqui Smith is a gaping c*nt. When she was waffling on the Andrew Marr show the other day I had to stop myself from spitting at my TV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero001 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I was listening to talksport last night. 2 things: 1. Why werent they talking about sport? I wanted to hear about the Carling Cup performances or Paul Ince. 2. Instead, they were talking about the Queen saaying some sh*t about ID cards. Now I'm not sure if they were just exaggerating but they were saying in her speech, she's looking to give Police Military rights to stop anyone for the ID card as a way of controlling immigration. I tried to find a report on BBC News but found f*ck all.Is it true? p.s. them presenter are jokers. The way they sucker callers into saying something they dont mean, then the presenter replies "I cannot believe what you have just said. That is absolutely ludicrous" and lock you off is comedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReZiW Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 one guy got caught for rape because his sister got stopped for drink driving and they took her dna and linked the rape to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thun Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 First its the immigrants then in a few years time its you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero001 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Thun, have you got a quote of what she said?I was gonna make a thread but had no quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thun Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Look at this treacherous bitch. Little minion for the New World order. ID cards through the backdoor?Jacqui Smith, home secretary, unveiling the cardsJacqui Smith, home secretary, unveiling the cardsWednesday, 03, Dec 2008 12:00There are many rules in politics. One, which has stood the test of time, is: 'If you can’t convince someone of something, put it in a minor clause'.There's every indication the Home Office intends to do that with ID cards today through the immigration and citizenship bill. It looks like rules allowing immigration officers or policemen to check you identity at ports of entry will be extended throughout the country.There will be no law requiring you to produce a card, but the legislation would have the effect of making it necessary. How do they get away with it? Well, the rules would only apply to people who have entered the UK. So, as long as you've never left the country, you'll be fine. Feel free to laugh.This is, in essence, a statement of intent. For some time now it appeared the government was backing down slightly on ID cards and the security agenda in general. The home secretary's promise to impose the cards on all airport workers shrivelled up into a pilot scheme for two airports last month. Private coroner's inquests and 42-day detention both bit the dust.This morning, everything looks different. Private coroner's inquests will almost certainly be found nestling in the coroners and death investigation bill. ID cards in the immigration bill. Lie detector tests for benefit cheats are on the welfare reform agenda. It seems civil liberties activists, who yesterday thought they had had a relatively successful year, now have every reason to stay active.The reason analysts are reading so much into this minor clause is because of how far it goes. At no point has anyone in government supporting ID cards admitted British citizens would be forced to provide them on demand in the street, but that is exactly what the clause would do. Refusing the demand could see you landed with a £500 fine or even a prison sentence of up to 51 weeks.The response was instantaneous. "Sneaking in compulsory identity cards via the back door of immigration law is a cynical escalation of this expensive and intrusive scheme," said Liberty director Shami Chakrabarti.Lib Dem home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne said: "Ministers seem to be breaking their promise that no one would ever have to carry an ID card. This is a sly and underhand way of extending the ID card scheme by stealth."Tory immigration minister Damian Green – yes, that one – said: "This scheme will do nothing to improve our security, may make it worse, and will certainly land the taxpayer with a multi-million bill."And that's not all. In their submission on the bill during consultation, campaign group No2ID highlighted several other ugly aspects."NO2ID believes the draft bill represents a massive change to common law rights and culture disguised as codification. It includes provisions which, if implemented, would have serious consequences not only for people from other countries living in or visiting the UK, but also British citizens," they told MPs.Clause one of the bill makes entry to the UK wholly dependent on identification, rather than your British citizenship. Lose it, or have the government invalidate it, and you will find yourself in legal limbo."Though committee members might consider casual incompetence or fraud more likely, the effect for the individual would be the same," No2ID said.If your documents fail - say because the microchip in the passport ceases to function – you could be deemed not to have entered the UK under clause 22. Suddenly you can be legally 'returned' to whichever country you were last in or held in an immigrant detention centre without remedy. This isn't as unlikely as you might think. The microchip in the new all-singing, all-dancing biometric passport has a two-year manufacturer's warranty. The passport is meant to last for ten.This is what the Home Office had to say: "It is simply wrong to claim there are any plans whatsoever to make identity cards compulsory for British citizens or to require British citizens to have an ID card at all times and present it when asked. To maintain effective immigration control it is only right that we ask everyone attempting to enter the UK to produce a valid identity document."The question is, do you believe them? http://www.politics.co.uk/analysis/legal-a...036;1252564.htmLMAO at boying off the public saying its only for immigrants when they will blatantly make it compulsory in time to come for all British citizens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojo Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I wonder if this will prompt thousands of others who've been wrongfully arrested to ask for their details to be deleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streets. Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 First its the immigrants then in a few years time its you.yeah your right - so what now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thun Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 First its the immigrants then in a few years time its you.yeah your right - so what now?ResistSpread information to colleagues, friends and family why id cads are bad.http://www.no2id.net/IDSchemes/whyNot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstition Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 ResistSpread information to colleagues, friends and family why id cads are bad. "ID cards are bad, mmkay." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thun Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Spread information to colleagues, friends and family why id cads are bad.http://www.no2id.net/IDSchemes/whyNot "ID cards are bad, mmkay." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojo Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 ResistSpread information to colleagues, friends and family why id cads are bad. "ID cards are bad, mmkay." Exactly what i thought of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DN Braund Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 ResistSpread information to colleagues, friends and family why id cads are bad. "ID cards are bad, mmkay."LMFAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gage Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 one guy got caught for rape because his sister got stopped for drink driving and they took her dna and linked the rape to himFamilial DNA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Doom Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 You guys do realise that Jacqui is a reptilian descendant right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DN Braund Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 You guys do realise that Jacqui is a reptilian descendant right?she looks like one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero1212 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I wonder if this will prompt thousands of others who've been wrongfully arrested to ask for their details to be deleted.hope so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streets. Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 ResistSpread information to colleagues, friends and family why id cads are bad. "ID cards are bad, mmkay."LMFAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boredatwork Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I wonder if this will prompt thousands of others who've been wrongfully arrested to ask for their details to be deleted.sent the letter within an hour of the verdicti imagine they will turn round and say they cant identify individual people so cant delete in one big hit, meaning everyone will need to ask.And even if they say they've deleted it...you know they wont. they will hold on to it, and then be able to use it for under the counter stuff but all the real good that could be done will have to stop. so for example you piss em off - they'll find you and you'll quietly disapear. but if later you rob and they get dna, it wont be worth them exposing themselves.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 if this was france, there would be a big massive riot, and that would be the end of id cards, but us brits are too easy to roll over and accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 if this was france, there would be a big massive riot, and that would be the end of id cards, but us brits are too easy to roll over and accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 if this was france, there would be a big massive riot, and that would be the end of id cards, but us brits are too easy to roll over and accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THUNDER CLAP Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I don't see why you'd be scared of a DNA database.If you don't do anything wrong then you haven't got anything to hide.Plus imagine if you get murdered and dumped under some leaves in some forest and decomposed past the point of recognition, it could make identification far easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferson Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 nahh its just we shud have the optionwe own ourselfs, no government should have our dna when they DO NOT NEED it,fair enuf if they need to investigate, but if u dont need it , dont keep itgive it 5 years, every f*cker will be implated wid gps tracking chips and a curfuee at 8Pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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