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You's always beat me to breaking these stories. I'm gonna have to start posting as soon as I get the tweets through. Damm you!!!Saying that though, this will work out better for the spectacle of the

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The world heavyweight champion in boxing was universalllyrecognized from the Great John L. Sullivan in the late 1800s through Muhammad Ali in the 60s. During in the 70s determining who the champion was in the various weight classes started to get cloudy (they are currently as clear as trying to see through a fryingpan). So boxing fans invented the concept of the lineal champion.

The lineal champ is in short the man who beat the man, going back to some universally recognized figure.

While the dominance of the UFC has created a situation parallel to that of the other major US sports with a single, univerally recognized league, and thus largely removed the need for a concpt like a lineal champ, it can still be fun.

While the lineal champ can be subjective, with various authorities handling things like changing weight class or quality of opposition differently, the lineal champion in MMA appears to be Alistair Overeem, no matter how you slice it.

The first MMA heavyweight title was given to Mark Coleman after his submission victory over Dan Severn at UFC 12.

Mark Coleman [6-0] record before losing to:

Maurice Smith [4-7] at UFC 14.

Maurice Smith [6-7] record before losing to:

Randy Couture[3-0] at UFC 15.5.

Randy Couture [4-0] record before losing to:

Enson Inoue [8-3] at Vale Tudo Japan.

Enson Inoue [10-3] record before losing to:

Mark Kerr [11-0] at PRIDE Grand Prix 2000.

Mark Kerr [12-0] record before losing to:

Kazuyki Fujita [3-0] at PRIDE Grand Prix 2000.

Kazuyki Fujita [4-0] record before losing to:

Mark Coleman [9-4] at PRIDE Grand Prix 2000.

Mark Coleman [12-4] record before losing to:

Rodrigo Nogueira  [12-1] at PRIDE 16.

Rodrigo Nogueira [19-1] record before losing to:

Fedor Emelianenko [12-1] at Pride 25.

Fedor Emelianenko [31-1] record before losing to:

Fabrico Werdum [13-4] at Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Werdum.

Fabrico Werdum [14-4]record before losing to:

Alistair Overeem [43-11] at Strikeforce: Overeem vs. Werdum.

One potentail area of dispute in determining a linear champion is determining the original champion. If you consider Royce Gracie the original openweight champion because of tournament wins in UFC 1, the road still leads to 'Reem.

Royce Gracie UFC 1 Champ. [8-0] record before losing to:

Harold Howard [1-0] via forfeit at UFC 3.

Harold Howard [2-0] record before losing to:

Steve Jennum [0-0] at UFC 3.

Steve Jennum [2-0] record before losing to:

Tank Abbott [2-1] at UU 95 - Ultimate Ultimate 1995.

Tank Abbott [3-1] record before losing to:

Dan Severn [6-2] at UU 95 - Ultimate Ultimate 1995.

Dan Severn [14-2] record before losing to:

Mark Coleman [5-0] at UFC 12.

And then, again, the road leads back to Alistair Overeem.

Even if you do not count Royce Gracie's loss to Harold Howard legi,t and follow his next loss to Sakuraba, you stil get Overeem.

Royce Gracie UFC 1 Champ [11-1] record before losing to:

Sakuraba [8-1] at PRIDE Grand Prix 2000.

Sakuraba [9-1] record before losing to:

Igor Vovchanchyn [34-2] at PRIDE Grand Prix 2000.

Igor Vovchanchyn [35-2] record before losing to:

Mark Coleman [10-4] at PRIDE Grand Prix 2000.

Mark Coleman [12-4] record before losing to:

Rodrigo Nogueira [12-1] at PRIDE 16.

And once again, we find 'Reem as the lineal champion.

The good news is MMA is not boxing. Boxing is a hot mess with a larger number of sanctioning bodies and champions and weight classes that any single person can remember. Like the NFL with American Football, or FIFA with Soccer, or the PGA with Golf, MMA has a single, dominant, universally recognized organizing body.

If the lineal champion Alistair Overeem wins on Friday, his next fight will doubtless be against the current UFC heavyweight champion Junior Dos Santos. If Brock wins, he wil get the title shot next.

So very shortly, the lineal and official champions will be united in MMA, and that is something for fans to celebrate, something boxing hasn't enjoyed since many uninterrupted generations of greatness ended in the 70s.

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Huge thanks to UGer RoyCisneros for his efforts in determining the lineal champion in MMA.

 

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Wanderlei Silva: OVEREEM.  Brock closes his eyes when he gets hit. But Brock on top is not fun, he's a beast, so you never know.

Jorge Lopez: OVEREEM. I agree. You've sen it with Cain, you've seen it with Shane, as soon as he got hit, he started hiding his face.

Manny Gamburyan: LESNAR. Brock Lesnar by stoppage, striking or submission in the first or second round

Martin Kampmann: Comes down to can Overeem stuff the shot.

Kevin Randleman: OVEREEM. I'm giving a slight edge to Overeem, but if it goes down (to the mat, it's over)

Rafael Cordeiro: OVEREEM. He's a fighter. Brock Lesnar is jsut starting his career right now.

Vitor Belfort: OVEREEM. He's been through wars, and has more skills standing, he has all the gifts to get the belt.

Nam Phan: LESNAR. Overeem becasue he eats horse meat; no, I'm just kidding. Lesnar, I'm not sure Overeeem's fought a wrestler of

Brock's caliber. He can just lay on him, stall him out for five rounds.

Gilbert Melendez: You'll know within the first two minutes.

Gegard Mousasi: OVEREEM. People underestimate how strong Overeem is. He is as strong or even maybe stronger than Brock.

Brad Tavares: OVEREEM. Overeem is on a roll, Brock coming back from unfortunate sickness.

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Brock's back: And he doesn't plan on leaving the fight game any time soon.

LAS VEGAS -- For whatever reason, the mixed martial arts community seems to constantly brace itself for the loss of Brock Lesnar.

Even as the former UFC heavyweight champion prepares to return to the Octagon this week following his second bout with the intestinal disease diverticulitis, there are those who question his desire to be here.

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If Lesnar loses to Alistair Overeem in the main event at UFC 141, they ask, won’t that be it? Won’t he retire and disappear into a life of hunting, farming and perhaps the occasional, lucrative guest appearance in professional wrestling?

It’s a halfway popular theory, but one Lesnar doesn’t really understand. Battling back from a serious illness twice in the past 26 months should be, in his opinion, strong evidence he’s committed to this sport.

“I don’t know why people question the desire,” Lesnar told ESPN.com. “What do I have to go through? What do I have to do?”

Granted, there are reasons why the 34-year-old might not hang around.

He won the UFC heavyweight title in just his fourth pro fight. That’s built the perception that, yeah, he’d like to win it back, but it’s not necessarily enough to keep him in the sport.

He seems to get as far away from the UFC as possible when not competing. In the cage, his toughest fights have arguably been his last two and the man doesn’t need to fight to make money. If Lesnar wanted to make a living elsewhere, he could.

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Losing to Cain Velasquez hasn't diminished Brock Lesnar's desire to compete in the UFC.

Is it that hard to believe, though, that Lesnar would continue in MMA -- even should he lose this week -- simply because he actually enjoys it?

“I like it. I like doing it,” Lesnar said. “I’m not ready to be done. I’ve made a little bit of money here and there but at the end of the day, I think it’s my identity. It’s who I want to be.”

Despite the long layoffs and a first-round TKO loss to Cain Velasquez in his last fight, Lesnar still believes he is one of, if not the best, heavyweight mixed martial artist in the world.

He sees a champion in Junior dos Santos whom he was supposed to fight in June, but didn’t due to his health. He was confident in his chances headed into that matchup. The fact that man is now at the top is likely a source of confidence for him.

“I think I am one of the best heavyweight fighters out there,” Lesnar said. “I can honestly say that because I wouldn’t be sitting here if it wasn’t true.

“Junior has the belt but he’s one power punch or one submission away from losing it. I’m going to go out and do the best job I can to put me in position to face Junior.”

Yes, Lesnar would have reason to leave the sport the next time he comes up short. He’s got plenty of reasons to continue, too.

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Disgraceful comment lol

But Yeah Cerrone Diaz should be a gd one, there seems to be a little bad blood there as well

According to Cerrone, he went to greet Nate at an open workout, offering to shake hands. Nate being Nate rebuked him, and walked away, obviously lighting a fire under Cerrone's ass :lol:

From Nate's side, he said in an interview later that he doesn't like to befriend guys in his weight class since he has to fight them sooner or later, which is understandable in my opinion.

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