FAO: Black people

[Gunner]

Ashra Kwesi

[kurious]

the metu neter is defo something i will e studying with my children

[carpedeum]

i have reservations about Ashra Kwesi.. he uses the bible for most of his information and then discredits it.He has never read the book of the dead, but always refers to it.. each to their own still

[Guest Blue State Of Mind]

i have reservations about Ashra Kwesi.. he uses the bible for most of his information and then discredits it.He has never read the book of the dead, but always refers to it.. each to their own still

How you know he hasn't read the book of the dead, Kwesi ain't no novice he has been studying about Egypt for the last 26 years and studied under Grandmaster Dr Ben Yosef Jochannan, i have no doubt bout his credibility.

[Hernandez Balcazar]

the metu neter is defo something i will e studying with my children

buy the books sis

[carpedeum]

i have reservations about Ashra Kwesi.. he uses the bible for most of his information and then discredits it.He has never read the book of the dead, but always refers to it.. each to their own still

How you know he hasn't read the book of the dead, Kwesi ain't no novice he has been studying about Egypt for the last 26 years and studied under Grandmaster Dr Ben Yosef Jochannan, i have no doubt bout his credibility.

cos hes been challenged about some of his claims many times, and always seemed to dodge. the whole talk about similarities between isis horus etc and the trinity, is 1/10 actually similar and the rest complete lies or exaggerations claimed to be written in the book of the dead. so its either he's never read it or, is just a cult leader leading people astray.

[kurious]

[carpedeum]

Black history month right?How complicit were Africans in the Trans atlantic slave trade? of course as with any trade that involves human beings and huge amounts of money and power, there will be some "inside" cooperation, but 99.9% of what is told about the slave trade and the politics around it is that "slavery already existed in Africa and african leaders sold their people to europe willingly". what about the African leaders who didnt? how often are they ever mentioned? here is a brief timeline and some major events involving African resistance rarely spoken of:

1444 CE, first commercial snatching of African slaves ("razzia") by Portuguese (235 men & women). 15^th c. Africans resist with violence. Portuguese begin buying "pagan" Africans from Islamic traders, who buy war captives from African kings.

15^th c, Pope Nicolas V gives Portugal exclusive trading rights with Africa; enslavement justified by "conversion of pagans."First transatlantic cargo of slaves: indigenous "New World" people sent to Spain by Columbus. Isabella denies traders rights to her Indian subjects, except for cannibals.

Spanish imperialism expands importance of slavery/slave trade. Only black Africans could be sent to the Americas. Native Indians were called "unfit" for work. Ferdinand issues 1^stlicense for slave traffic. European imperialism revives slave economies

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African leaders and those opposing the European slave trade, organized and assigned large groups to keep watch for slave ships traveling to the East and whose crews were well-known for kidnapping Africans on the coast. For example, King Ansah of Ghana (1470-1486) had the Fante people watch for European ships, and prevented them from coming ashore. Many other African tribal leaders did not permit Europeans in their kingdoms. In Benin, the people had heard of the intentions of the Europeans, so they killed them as soon as they came ashore. There were some kings who agreed to trade with the Europeans, but attempted to stop it once they saw the problems that were created in their lands. Through the tactics of several African leaders and kings, they were able to minimize the European slave trade but they could not stop it completely.

African King Nzenga Maremba tried to stop the slave trade in the Congo only after he originally participated in the trade in exchange for military items and support from Portugal. King Maremba agreed to release his African prisoners of war to the Portuguese who wanted the best (1470 - 1800) young African men as a bargaining chip to be sure the King kept his word. The Portuguese promised to train and educate the young men to become priests and later to return them to the Congo. King Meremba. When Alfonso asked for the return of a few of his former prisoners, his requests were denied.

After having his requests denied several times, King Alfonso learned that his prisoners of war had been sold as slaves in Portugal. In 1526, King Alfonso wrote to King John III, the former King of Portugal, and asked for his help in ending the slave trade in the Congo. This help never came.

Other countries that were resisting the slave trade throughout the continent of Africa were Senegal, Ghana, Benin, Nigeria, and Angola. In 1777, King Agadja, a Dahomean monarch, captured an Englishman sir John Humphrey and his slave raiding party who had entered his kingdom looking for more Africans. The Englishman and his crew were released after they promised to return all the Africans they had captured. King Agadja gave the Englishmen a warning to take to the rulers of England, that if any other slave traders were sent to his Kingdom, or other kingdoms, they would be killed.

In 1787, the Senegal King of Almammy, passed a law that made it illegal to take enslaved Africans through his kingdom. To let (1470 – 1800) Europeans know how serious the law was, the king returned the presents French slave traders sent as bribes. Queen Nzingha of Angola fought a successful 30-year war against the slave traders of Portugal until the Portuguese negotiated a treaty with her in 1656. Their treaty remained in effect until she died in 1663.

^^^^^^^African voices of the Atlantic slave trade: beyond the silence and the shame ---By Anne Caroline Bailey"

in southern nigeria at the time, the definition of a slave, was entirely different to what you call "slavery" today. The "slaves" lived in the homes of their "masters" , many intermarried within the same culture and became free men/women. In the Ashanti tribe in Ghana, a "slave" could work to own property, pay taxes, himself own a slave, swear an oath, and in some cases, become the heir to his master. "captives" (slaves) became Vassals, vassals became free men, free men became chiefs. was this system of "slavery" attainable under the European slave trade?

---- Basil Davidson

[Grafter]

Black history month right?How complicit were Africans in the Trans atlantic slave trade? of course as with any trade that involves human beings and huge amounts of money and power, there will be some "inside" cooperation, but 99.9% of what is told about the slave trade and the politics around it is that "slavery already existed in Africa and african leaders sold their people to europe willingly". what about the African leaders who didnt? how often are they ever mentioned? here is a brief timeline and some major events involving African resistance rarely spoken of:

1444 CE, first commercial snatching of African slaves ("razzia") by Portuguese (235 men & women). 15^th c. Africans resist with violence. Portuguese begin buying "pagan" Africans from Islamic traders, who buy war captives from African kings.

15^th c, Pope Nicolas V gives Portugal exclusive trading rights with Africa; enslavement justified by "conversion of pagans."First transatlantic cargo of slaves: indigenous "New World" people sent to Spain by Columbus. Isabella denies traders rights to her Indian subjects, except for cannibals.

Spanish imperialism expands importance of slavery/slave trade. Only black Africans could be sent to the Americas. Native Indians were called "unfit" for work. Ferdinand issues 1^stlicense for slave traffic. European imperialism revives slave economies

.

African leaders and those opposing the European slave trade, organized and assigned large groups to keep watch for slave ships traveling to the East and whose crews were well-known for kidnapping Africans on the coast. For example, King Ansah of Ghana (1470-1486) had the Fante people watch for European ships, and prevented them from coming ashore. Many other African tribal leaders did not permit Europeans in their kingdoms. In Benin, the people had heard of the intentions of the Europeans, so they killed them as soon as they came ashore. There were some kings who agreed to trade with the Europeans, but attempted to stop it once they saw the problems that were created in their lands. Through the tactics of several African leaders and kings, they were able to minimize the European slave trade but they could not stop it completely.

African King Nzenga Maremba tried to stop the slave trade in the Congo only after he originally participated in the trade in exchange for military items and support from Portugal. King Maremba agreed to release his African prisoners of war to the Portuguese who wanted the best (1470 - 1800) young African men as a bargaining chip to be sure the King kept his word. The Portuguese promised to train and educate the young men to become priests and later to return them to the Congo. King Meremba. When Alfonso asked for the return of a few of his former prisoners, his requests were denied.

After having his requests denied several times, King Alfonso learned that his prisoners of war had been sold as slaves in Portugal. In 1526, King Alfonso wrote to King John III, the former King of Portugal, and asked for his help in ending the slave trade in the Congo. This help never came.

Other countries that were resisting the slave trade throughout the continent of Africa were Senegal, Ghana, Benin, Nigeria, and Angola. In 1777, King Agadja, a Dahomean monarch, captured an Englishman sir John Humphrey and his slave raiding party who had entered his kingdom looking for more Africans. The Englishman and his crew were released after they promised to return all the Africans they had captured. King Agadja gave the Englishmen a warning to take to the rulers of England, that if any other slave traders were sent to his Kingdom, or other kingdoms, they would be killed.

In 1787, the Senegal King of Almammy, passed a law that made it illegal to take enslaved Africans through his kingdom. To let (1470 – 1800) Europeans know how serious the law was, the king returned the presents French slave traders sent as bribes. Queen Nzingha of Angola fought a successful 30-year war against the slave traders of Portugal until the Portuguese negotiated a treaty with her in 1656. Their treaty remained in effect until she died in 1663.

^^^^^^^African voices of the Atlantic slave trade: beyond the silence and the shame ---By Anne Caroline Bailey"

in southern nigeria at the time, the definition of a slave, was entirely different to what you call "slavery" today. The "slaves" lived in the homes of their "masters" , many intermarried within the same culture and became free men/women. In the Ashanti tribe in Ghana, a "slave" could work to own property, pay taxes, himself own a slave, swear an oath, and in some cases, become the heir to his master. "captives" (slaves) became Vassals, vassals became free men, free men became chiefs. was this system of "slavery" attainable under the European slave trade?

---- Basil Davidson

highly bless CarpeI never knew, this is edifying

[kurious]

i dont think they were slaves tho as the word derives from 'slav' or 'slavic' who were traded pre the fall of granadai prefer the term prisoners of warinteresting info tho

[Skenghis Khan]

yh slave is a blanket translation with its own connotations, 'retainer' 'vassal' and 'serf' are better approximations of the roles in historical ghana/nigeria. Its comparable to feudalism and not chattel slavery. i dont know why ppl attempt to use it to defend the actions of the west.

[kurious]

MAAFA

[Guest Esquilax]

how did slavery manage to run so rampant in africa?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_trade#AfricaI know you lot won't wanna read this because it isn't delivered by an irate African American dressed as a palm tree but it's pretty concise and interesting.

[Guest Esquilax]

Doesn't look like it

[carpedeum]

http://en.wikipedia....ve_trade#AfricaI know you lot won't wanna read this because it isn't delivered by an irate African American dressed as a palm tree but it's pretty concise and interesting.

nah, not really, but im curious to know why you're persistently trying to be a useless pest to post the status quo when if anyone wanted to learn "concise" and "interesting" information about black or african history we would all just run to wiki and be done with it.

[Guest Esquilax]

Whoah whoah whoah, hold the phones here.I'm just posting links, I'm not making any claims or anything.Thought it was about FACTS innere, apparently not. Dunno what kind of information you lot want if you don't want concise and interesting information.

[carpedeum]

Whoah whoah whoah, hold the phones here.I'm just posting links, I'm not making any claims or anything.Thought it was about FACTS innere, apparently not. Dunno what kind of information you lot want if you don't want concise and interesting information.

just posting links? but why claim it will not be read since its not from an irate Aff american in a palm tree ?but you think by posting links in your khaki shorts and bobble hat it makes it more read worthy?who has ever claimed that some sort of slavery wasnt ever practised in Africa?when i posted information to show that MANY african leaders were against slavery, but we rarely hear about them, why did you choose to post "facts" about slavery practised in Africa and elsewhere apart from a poor attempt to state that it was in practise when that is the only side of the story always being told.

[Guest Esquilax]

Whoah there, hold the phonesThat was in answer to Briscos question of why slavery was so rampant across Africa mate, nothing to do with what you said.I think the article answers it pretty concisely, and is interesting.Don't wear a bobble hat and do not own shorts, I understand my 'irate Aff dressed like palm tree' was inflammatory but its what it looks like every time THAT sort of vid is posted.NO OFFENCE BRO

[kurious]

[Grafter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRhlfNNH47Uwatching this right nowDocumentary on HIM Emperor Haile Selassie called Man of the Milleniummade by Ethiopians, only at the beginning but it starts with stating that a whole generation of Ethopians have been denied their history as a result of communist propoganda

[Gunner]

Cheikh Anta Diop

[lanceW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u688CN36Y4Welcome to enlightenment

[Grafter]

started tryna watch tht ting u posted but couldnt.give me a jist pls smaddy

its just all about the history of Haile Selassie from when he was born to how he came to powerhow he changed Ethiopia, modernised the country, introduced a constitution his address to the league of nations, the war with mussolini's armyit also covers how the derg(sp) regime took over, theres some footage of him being confronted by them, some last images

[Captain Planet]

started tryna watch tht ting u posted but couldnt.give me a jist pls smaddy

its just all about the history of Haile Selassie from when he was born to how he came to powerhow he changed Ethiopia, modernised the country, introduced a constitution his address to the league of nations, the war with mussolini's armyit also covers how the derg(sp) regime took over, theres some footage of him being confronted by them, some last images

did a brief article on himhttp://www.nupemag.com/chronicles-of-africa-haile-emperor-selassie

[kurious]

garveyites Honourable Garvey prophesised, look to the East a King shall be crownedHRM is that King