captain capo Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Who do you think gives her the most trouble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Chiles Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 i was just trollin Titan at first and then you had to ruin it/HondaRogBisonRufusCammyMakotoFei LongAdonKenGiefT HawkAbelJuriCodyDeejayIbukiVegaBlankaRoseGuyRyuYunYangi think the ones in red are the bad matchups also think Akuma and Seth are bad matchups for her aswell, i dont know enough about the other characters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 even if they are bad match ups 6-4's aint sh*t especially with a character with as much damage output and mix ups as viper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Chiles Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 even if they are bad match ups 6-4's aint sh*t especially with a character with as much damage output and mix ups as viperbut this is based on two really good players playing except for Honda,Balrog,Blanka and Deejay for whom i think you dont have to be very good to beat a top level Viper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Dott Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Honda ain't 5-5 IbukiVegaBlankaRoseGuyRyuAbelJuriMakotoAll bad match ups for Viper, REALLY? lolYour viper just ain't good enough I refuse to believe that the character is badObviously Grim is tr0lling.LOL @ my Viper not being good enough. You guys seriously watch too many Latif vids and see him winning all the time. Now Latif is good but I know for a fact he loses to alot of different character purely because of the other character's offensive capabilities. Now, the reason I said anyone who thinks different doesn't know what they are talking about is exactly what I said: You don't know what you are talking about.Viper has no knockdown move in a combo or on reaction without meter that can be drawn upon comfortably. It ain't just random burn kicks. There is actually a skill to knowing whether to use MK or HK bks and whether you want it to cross up and all that. Natty, you brought up her damage and mix up yeah. She has both, but you have to get in on your terms to use them and mashed DP puts an end to it. Now before you drop your usual line of bait it, it's always easier said than done because aside from myself, Grim and Former, NO ONE on this forum knows how to play Viper.As for the match ups you listed, just because they may not be bad matches for other characters doesn't mean they are free for Viper.Ibuki - She has a block string that can't be punished and a command grab and has mix ups aplentyVega - Can off the wall anything to seismos on reaction and can keep you at a distance with the claw.Blanka - You cannot do anything to him on his wake up. You lose to everything. He is hard to anti air properly and his ambiguos jump ins hurt Viper because of how tall she is.Rose - LOL @ thinking this is an easy match up. It is counter hit city. You hit her with a thunder knuckle and have to block. You have to pretty much block constantly.Guy - Mixups and his air command grab takes around a third of life. What makes you think this isn't hard considering Viper has to hit the air for the match eventually?Ryu - One knockdown and you are pretty much on the backfoot for the whole match. One of the easiest of the hard match ups.Abel - Damage output and his footsies are far better. One TT and it's basically a wrap for the match.Juri - Dive kick on reaction and safe pinwheel strings. Also her hitbox means punishing her sometimes isn't possible.Makoto - I'm willing to bet no one here has played a solid Makoto because once a good Makoto starts rushing you down sh*t is hard to get out of the mix up game.Like I said, I don't know why guys are trying to argue with me like say you all can play Viper better. You lot watch too many youtube vids and watch too many tier lists. I can beat hard match ups, but I have to work f*ck*ng hard which is the point. I could go through the whole list of bad match ups and write detailed explanations as to why they are tough but it's long and only Viper players would appreciate what I am saying. Some of you lot are so gassed it's unreal.@ Capo, the ones that give her the most trouble IMO are Cammy, Rufus, Bison and Fei Long. Purely because they have rushdowns that are virtually completely safe.@ Chuck, the only Japanese player of those speaking recently on the top 10 that is qualified to say anything is Momochi because he can play as Viper. Tokido said he doesn't like the match up as it gives him trouble. Doesn't mean she is top 5 at all considering randoming her out or laming it out or picking one of the bad matchups makes the match less trouble.@ Grim, I don't think Akuma is a bad match. That amcth is a case of whoever knocks whoever down first normally runs riot on the opponent.My Viper can always improve, but TBH I feel like I play her a lot better than Vipers that are out and about now. It's just I perform sh*t in tournies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattsu Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 the makoto stuff applys to any character though TitanI played v ryu n its a bad match vs chun n he put it on me even though its mad in chuns favour could be experiencing something like this?like for some reason all ryu players get to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creed Diskenth Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 f*ck THAT c*nt VIPER AND HE SAISMO BULLSHIT 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Dott Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yeah Makoto is f*cked anyways, but at least with Chun you can zone properly with fireballs. It's f*ck*ng hard zoning wit seismos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattsu Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 lol I don't zone anybody who's name isn't E. Honda offence >>>> defence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence. Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Titan this salty mindset is holding you back from being a beast , I swear down. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creed Diskenth Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 SvB annoucedAug 12-14Same place as 09 SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattsu Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 i thought the 09 place was larger though?09 was the worst tourny I've ever been to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanceW Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Viper is free to Ibuki's vortex I say bad matchup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattsu Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 ibuki is free to vipers vortexi call even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LevelLouie Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 What you guys entering for Svb?3am plinks on deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Marvel 3.Kof 13 if it makes it on time (doubtful).Starting off with 4 games but will bet any money 3rd strike, Guilty, Kof 2002, etc etc etc will be added and I will prob enter Guilty if kof don't make it. In any case 2 games at the most and will aim to make it out of groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Dott Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 I'm not even salty. If I was I would have stopped playing Viper ages ago. I'm just giving you guys the real. Alot of you wold have not have stuck it out if you mained her, in particular you Chuck because you didn't even make it a couple weeks. Picking Viper because you want to win is like picking Gief because you want to beat Sim. Possible, but very hard without proper work. I reckon I'm becoming alot better it's just I still have a lot of work to do./Quicks, the difference is after a knockdown Ibuki can apply safe pressure. Viper can't. You can mash through FFF and any other string you create whereas Viper can't mash through any of Ibuki's strings./Not going SVB this year, aside from the fact I may be in Barbados anyways, it was too frustrating being there last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence. Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Wso > svb 09I'll be there anyway , unless I'm in nigeria , which is unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 SvB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>worth all the sh*t organisation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Di Gradi Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 i might not even compete but just turn up with a bag of sea salt and make it rain on anyone acting salty. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vtec Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 I might show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattsu Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 prob marvel 3 n superbut I dunno if I want the stress of 2 games with these idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain capo Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 It'll be a clean event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Di Gradi Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 It'll be a clean event.i take it emperor cow is not turning up then, or half the people that use to go casino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LevelLouie Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 lmao the sending in the uk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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