The first Ethnic made it to 50 at least

[Thun]

i think he will be re-elected only but more likely because there is no worthy challenger in the republicans

This would be a great president for the US not some bum president who mugs off his own people with all this change waffle

SKN

Allow it

He got arthritis

[Zizouz]

not even sure if that was a setup but still. . .

[Seth Rollins]

President David Palmer>>>President Barack Obama.

SAY SOMETHING.

[Flojo]

I take it that post is a response to mine Ulysses.

William is a c*nt, he looked like a joke long before he made that song and probably will until the end of time.

Nobody put all the blame on Bush, I said he was largely responsible for pushing the national debt beyond what most economic analysts deem to be safe.

Whether Obama's a socialist or not isn't the point, the point is propaganda to put him in a negative light has too commonly been used by the opposing parties. There was absolutely no way he wasn't going to bailout the big companies or agree on a stimulus package, he'd have been ripped to shreds for doing so even more so than he is being now and as much as being President is about making the decisions you feel are right you've got to weigh it up with making the decisions that keep you in office long enough to do what you think is the greater good.

the problem is that too many people are looking at him to solve a problem in a few years that took over a decade to create, it's short sighted and quite frankly dumb. you can't enjoy the spoils of a prosperous economy built on frivolous lending then expect not to endure a period of serious difficulty afterwards.

America is a nation that has a sense of entitlement and supremacy that isn't sustainable, up until they come to terms with that I don't care who they put in office the same cycles will continue.

[Ulysses]

I take it that post is a response to mine Ulysses.

William is a c*nt, he looked like a joke long before he made that song and probably will until the end of time.

Nobody put all the blame on Bush, I said he was largely responsible for pushing the national debt beyond what most economic analysts deem to be safe.

Whether Obama's a socialist or not isn't the point, the point is propaganda to put him in a negative light has too commonly been used by the opposing parties. There was absolutely no way he wasn't going to bailout the big companies or agree on a stimulus package, he'd have been ripped to shreds for doing so even more so than he is being now and as much as being President is about making the decisions you feel are right you've got to weigh it up with making the decisions that keep you in office long enough to do what you think is the greater good.

the problem is that too many people are looking at him to solve a problem in a few years that took over a decade to create, it's short sighted and quite frankly dumb. you can't enjoy the spoils of a prosperous economy built on frivolous lending then expect not to endure a period of serious difficulty afterwards.

America is a nation that has a sense of entitlement and supremacy that isn't sustainable, up until they come to terms with that I don't care who they put in office the same cycles will continue.

Nah not really a response, but I guess i disagreed with some of your points.

There was absolutely no way he wasn't going to bailout the big companies or agree on a stimulus package, he'd have been ripped to shreds for doing so even more so than he is being now and as much as being President is about making the decisions you feel are right you've got to weigh it up with making the decisions that keep you in office long enough to do what you think is the greater good.

What's the point of him being Commander-in-Chief, if he constantly worries about what people think of him, this isn't school. The most successful politicians are people who are hated by a sizable section of society and don't care what this sizable section of society thinks. If you want your presidency to be remembered as being successful and you want to change the status quo you have to take people on. Again he had a popular mandate, control of both houses of congress, what more could a president ask for, he had little constraints.

I think the problem is with a lot of people, including myself, is that we still want to give Obama the benefit of the doubt. Unlike Bush who is inherently evil, Obama is viewed as a good man who is just trying to do good in a corrupt system. We don't want to imagine a telegenic, likeable, intelligent, articulate Black man who has accomplished so much being dodgy. Why would we imagine the forces behind Bush's disastrous and criminal presidency to suddenly vacate. Obama is bought and paid for by Wall street. Has anyone seen that Obama deception film?

Yeah I agree the seeds of America's economic malaise where sown way before Obama's presidency. But who told him to take the debt to critical levels. He did not have to continue with Bush's failed economic policies.

the problem is that too many people are looking at him to solve a problem in a few years that took over a decade to create, it's short sighted and quite frankly dumb. you can't enjoy the spoils of a prosperous economy built on frivolous lending then expect not to endure a period of serious difficulty afterwards.

It's not a question of patience, it is not a question of "give Obama some more time to sort this out", nobody is expecting everything to be perfect overnight. The problem is that there are no signs of a recovery, I mean we hear everyday of a "jobless recovery", a "new normal". His economic team and the fed have used up all of their golden bullets. The problem is that Obama, and the majority of other western politicians don't know what to do, they don't want to deal with the underlying problems. His policies so far have failed.

Putin recently said that the U.S. was a parasite on the world economy. The question is whether China et. al will want to continue to fund America's ponzi scheme

America is a nation that has a sense of entitlement and supremacy that isn't sustainable

Yeah I agree.

[JOHN DOE]

americas ponzi scheme lol i like that

[Flojo]

Ulysses

Like I said being President is a balancing act between doing what you see as the right thing and doing what keeps you in office long enough to make changes over a longer period of time. It's all well and good coming into office all guns blazing and making wholesale changes but the most likely outcome is that you alienate a lot of people very quickly which gives you little chance of making progress over a sustained period of time.

People are expecting things to change within unrealistic timeframes, the severity of the economic situation always pointed to a recovery taking a lot longer than 2.5 years which is how long he's been in office. All these people who were taking out loans and mortgages they had no way of paying back are calling for his head like they're absolved of responsibility, it's an absolute joke.

The point Putin made is probably a bit too far but America's influence on the global economy is dwindling, the problem is that as I mentioned earlier they are struggling to come to terms with it due to their sense of supremacy. Good luck to the person that has to break it to them that their best days could realistically be behind them.

[Ulysses]

Ulysses

Like I said being President is a balancing act between doing what you see as the right thing and doing what keeps you in office long enough to make changes over a longer period of time. It's all well and good coming into office all guns blazing and making wholesale changes but the most likely outcome is that you alienate a lot of people very quickly which gives you little chance of making progress over a sustained period of time.

People are expecting things to change within unrealistic timeframes, the severity of the economic situation always pointed to a recovery taking a lot longer than 2.5 years which is how long he's been in office. All these people who were taking out loans and mortgages they had no way of paying back are calling for his head like they're absolved of responsibility, it's an absolute joke.

The point Putin made is probably a bit too far but America's influence on the global economy is dwindling, the problem is that as I mentioned earlier they are struggling to come to terms with it due to their sense of supremacy. Good luck to the person that has to break it to them that their best days could realistically be behind them.

Fair enough.

Again I don't think people's unrealistic timeframes are the issue, the issue that is the concern or should be the concern and will be the cause of the coming economic crisis in the west is public debt. And on this issue alone, Obama and the eurozone politicians have failed. It is why the Tea Party (rightly or wrongly) found a lot of support; Obama's inability to deal with the debt issue. People know that this "recession" is not a normal one, and nobody in their right mind should expect an immediate panacea. But people know that Obama has so far administered the wrong medicine.

I don't know if we will ever recover properly, back to pre-credit crunch times. I fear there will be darker days ahead. Hope I'm proved wrong.

There is some truth to Putin's statement. The US cannot continue to live beyond its means, and it can't continue the policy of inflating away its debts and get away with it.

It isn't yet a forgone conclusion that America will go the way of Britain or Rome, but they just have to sort themselves out.

[His-RightPalm]

im sorry, but every single person that brings up that illuminati sh*t is a f*ckin retard

to whoever brought it up, cba to find the post

[Uncle Man]

President David Palmer>>>President Barack Obama.

SAY SOMETHING.

President T >>>

[BLACK VICTIM]

i think he will be re-elected only but more likely because there is no worthy challenger in the republicans

This would be a great president for the US not some bum president who mugs off his own people with all this change waffle

SKN

Allow it

He got arthritis

haha f*ck off YOU allow it, arthritis

i dont blame you i liked ron paul a few years ago when he first came out, until i clocked who he was jammin with

[Seth Rollins]

President David Palmer>>>President Barack Obama.

SAY SOMETHING.

President T >>>

:rofl:

[Thun]

i think he will be re-elected only but more likely because there is no worthy challenger in the republicans

This would be a great president for the US not some bum president who mugs off his own people with all this change waffle

SKN

Allow it

He got arthritis

haha f*ck off YOU allow it, arthritis

i dont blame you i liked ron paul a few years ago when he first came out, until i clocked who he was jammin with

Oh yeah, who does he hang with that you dont like?

[djbmc]

i think he will be re-elected only but more likely because there is no worthy challenger in the republicans

This would be a great president for the US not some bum president who mugs off his own people with all this change waffle

SKN

Allow it

He got arthritis

haha f*ck off YOU allow it, arthritis

i dont blame you i liked ron paul a few years ago when he first came out, until i clocked who he was jammin with

Oh yeah, who does he hang with that you dont like?

lol wait, was that arthritis post u being serious?

[MARVELL]

more usless talk from ulysses trying to blame obama

first of all.. i will say that obama is as a democrat, just the left cheek and the republicans the right cheek both of the same ass so there could never be much major differences between them

there are certain differences however between both parties.

bush is 100% to blame for the worsened america situation. He met a govt surplus left by clinton who balanced their budget within 6 yrs

bush blew a $2 trillion hole on two wars based on lies and allowed banks free reign to run wild with greed to make the rich that much richer

lol@ this western hysteria about the balance of power shifting.. YES LET THE BALANCE OF POWER SHIFT.

I DO NOT FEAR CHINA OR RUSSIA OR BRAZIL (I JUST HATE INDIANS STILL)

China, India, Russia, and the rising nations of asia got their wealth by creating wealth at home...not by invading and plundering every nation available.

american will impode like the roman empire ...every sane economist has predicted this

obama and the usless congress have just increased america's deficit from 12 to 14 trillion making the debt EQUAL to their GDP

if any developing nation did even 1/2 of that you would have the IMF and world bank run into those countries and force some SAP on them.

its al laughing joke.. america's debt stinks all around the world.. they can not come brack from $14 trillion. ever

its not over yet, but another coffin has gone into their grave.

as for the republicans they are more concerned with making sure obama is a one termer than fixing anything about their economy

but on the major problems that really blow holes into america's budget such as defence spending and their $1bill PER DAY wars...obama is = bush.

and i will be pleased if he gets bush sh*t back in his face and loses the next election.

cos he lied about pretty much everything in terms of foreign policy

f*ck him and his congress. plus the american populace are just as dumb as they were 10 yrs ago..so everyone is at fault for their problems.

if america suffers only the west will really suffer ...there are stronger markets in the world to invest in.

[Ulysses]

more usless talk from ulysses trying to blame obama

first of all.. i will say that obama is as a democrat, just the left cheek and the republicans the right cheek both of the same ass so there could never be much major differences between them

there are certain differences however between both parties.

bush is 100% to blame for the worsened america situation. He met a govt surplus left by clinton who balanced their budget within 6 yrs

bush blew a $2 trillion hole on two wars based on lies and allowed banks free reign to run wild with greed to make the rich that much richer

lol@ this western hysteria about the balance of power shifting.. YES LET THE BALANCE OF POWER SHIFT.

I DO NOT FEAR CHINA OR RUSSIA OR BRAZIL (I JUST HATE INDIANS STILL)

China, India, Russia, and the rising nations of asia got their wealth by creating wealth at home...not by invading and plundering every nation available.

american will impode like the roman empire ...every sane economist has predicted this

obama and the usless congress have just increased america's deficit from 12 to 14 trillion making the debt EQUAL to their GDP

if any developing nation did even 1/2 of that you would have the IMF and world bank run into those countries and force some SAP on them.

its al laughing joke.. america's debt stinks all around the world.. they can not come brack from $14 trillion. ever

its not over yet, but another coffin has gone into their grave.

as for the republicans they are more concerned with making sure obama is a one termer than fixing anything about their economy

but on the major problems that really blow holes into america's budget such as defence spending and their $1bill PER DAY wars...obama is = bush.

and i will be pleased if he gets bush sh*t back in his face and loses the next election.

cos he lied about pretty much everything in terms of foreign policy

f*ck him and his congress. plus the american populace are just as dumb as they were 10 yrs ago..so everyone is at fault for their problems.

if america suffers only the west will really suffer ...there are stronger markets in the world to invest in.

Don't call my name d*ckhead, you're just a little menstruating bitch looking for attention. You also criticize Obama, so why are you disputing my posts? This is a clear sign of your retardation.

I think you actually need a lobotomy. The topic was on Obama, so my focus was on his handling of things. I didn't absolve Bush at all you idiot. In previous posts I used words like "criminal" and "disastrous" to describe his presidency. But the current president is Obama and his policies have not helped in any way shape or form, and they have brought an even greater deterioration to the country's finances. Not once did I say that Obama is solely responsible for the parlous state of his country's economy, and if you read previous posts you would have read that I agreed that these problems started before Obama got into the White House.

I'm sure you would look forward to China's rise to sole superpower status, because you are retarded. I'm sure you wouldn't mind living in a police state where there is no concept of individual liberty, where you cannot criticize the Communist Party's top leaders, where you can not have more than one child, form an independent trade union, worship a religion which does not pledge loyalty to the Communist Party, or access all parts of the internet.

To all the people looking for a balance of power shift to the east, let me just say that there has never been a single example of a world hegemonic power that maintains its influence by playing nice.

Who is to say China will not have imperial designs? South Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan, The Philippines etc. are all fearful of China's rise and are all seeking an American security blanket.

So STFU.

[MARVELL]

why do u use words you dont know how to use? to sound smarter than you really are?

yes the topic is about obama, and i alreeady said in my first post that obama has his blame

however the crisis started before him. A president cannot create jobs out of the blue

if people are not hiring jobs will not be created. and he has not tackled the deeper causes of the US debt

lol@ being afraid of china as a superpower. it became the worlds 3rd largets economy in 50yrs

in the same 50 yrs it was grinding.. the US was invading, toppling govts, setting up counter intel, propping up puppet govts and dictaors and looting from everywhere possible. and i should be afraid of China who invaded no one during the same period.

the US is not far behind china in the murder and state orchestrated convictions of poltiical enemies, has a higher homicide rate, is probably way more corrupt, and certainly more irresponsible diplomatically.

the american security blanket sought by the asian nations is NOT wanted by the people..its wanted by the govt that receive huge support from the american govt who use their american-born citizens to gain political influence. a few of the staunchest chritics of US bases in south asian countries have been murdered, or are in prison.

i will dance in the street when the US power is significantly reduced and that debt bubble no one wants to deal with finally bursts.

there needs to be a balance of power in the east, along with Russia , south american countries and The middle east having govts that no longer ask how high every time the US/EU asks them to jump.

cos cunts in the west get it all so easy they dont know sh*t about whats really going on. when that magic carpet is pulled from underneath them..maybe then the people will start to sit up and wonder how they are really governed and if its really a democracy.

[Ulysses]

why do u use words you dont know how to use? to sound smarter than you really are?

yes the topic is about obama, and i alreeady said in my first post that obama has his blame

however the crisis started before him. A president cannot create jobs out of the blue

if people are not hiring jobs will not be created. and he has not tackled the deeper causes of the US debt

lol@ being afraid of china as a superpower. it became the worlds 3rd largets economy in 50yrs

in the same 50 yrs it was grinding.. the US was invading, toppling govts, setting up counter intel, propping up puppet govts and dictaors and looting from everywhere possible. and i should be afraid of China who invaded no one during the same period.

the US is not far behind china in the murder and state orchestrated convictions of poltiical enemies, has a higher homicide rate, is probably way more corrupt, and certainly more irresponsible diplomatically.

the american security blanket sought by the asian nations is NOT wanted by the people..its wanted by the govt that receive huge support from the american govt who use their american-born citizens to gain political influence. a few of the staunchest chritics of US bases in south asian countries have been murdered, or are in prison.

i will dance in the street when the US power is significantly reduced and that debt bubble no one wants to deal with finally bursts.

there needs to be a balance of power in the east, along with Russia , south american countries and The middle east having govts that no longer ask how high every time the US/EU asks them to jump.

cos cunts in the west get it all so easy they dont know sh*t about whats really going on. when that magic carpet is pulled from underneath them..maybe then the people will start to sit up and wonder how they are really governed and if its really a democracy.

Talking out of your arse one again, you are so full of sh*t. You are a man who is distinctly aware of your own intellectual shortcomings, do not try to take out your own insecurities on me.

1. On a macro level Obama and his economic team have been clueless about sorting out the structural imbalance of the US economy. The government cannot create private-sector jobs, but it can strongly affect the conditions for job-creating economic growth. President Obama's administration policies have been killing jobs. For instance, the situation with National Labor Relations Board scuttling Boeing Corporation's plans of creating thousands of new jobs in South Carolina, simply because the proposed plant would have been a non-union plant. The Obama Administration has opposed a bill to rein in the NLRB, because the unions are a major constituency of the Democratic Party. Obama promised he would create 2.5 million jobs by 2011. By October 2010 the economy had shed 3.3 million jobs. The unemployment rate in America is now 9.2% and labour rate participation has hit a 30 year low. Labour costs are also too high, the government has priced people out of the market. The Obama administration has increased the levels of taxes, regulation, barriers and mandates which for one has the effect of artificially driving up the cost of employing people which acts a disincentive to firms to take on new labour. Obviously the Obama Adminstration's policies has not helped to culture the right environment for job creation.

2. In those 50 years, Chairman mao 's policies killed 40-70 million people. I doubt America's age of post-war "neo-imperialism" has killed that many people. China invaded no-one? Erm.......How about Tibet?

3. You seem to forget that if any other country had the US's level of influence they would act accordingly. There will be no sudden and new equity in international affairs. There will be no Model UN. The international system is a zero-sum game. If the balance of power shifts to the east then just expect them to also be in your words:

invading, toppling govts, setting up counter intel, propping up puppet govts and dictaors and looting from everywhere possible

The Soviet Union did exactly what you claim America did, when it was of equal stature to the US.

4. Take off your tin-foil hat. There are have been tensions between China and its neighbours irregardless supposed US subterfuge. Ever heard of the Spratly Islands dispute between the China and Phillipines? Japan and China have territorial disputes over the Senkaku / Diaoyutai Islands. A recent BBC article reported that Computer hackers from Vietnam and China have attacked websites including portals run by each other's governments, amid a sea-border row.Vietnam and China have had a long and turbulent history and the Vietnamese are traditionally suspicious of the Chinese.

There is also a very good reason why the US has a base in South Korea; Kim Jong-il and The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. Without the US's support to act as a deterrent then God knows what will happen in that area of the world. How much oil is there in South Korea. d*ckhead.

the US is not far behind china in the murder and state orchestrated convictions of poltiical enemies

Really? Like who, I'm not aware of anyone being imprisoned or killed for criticizing the government in the US. Unlike in China, Liu Xiaobo the nobel prize winner, in 1996 he spoke out against China's one-party system and was sent to a labour camp for three years. In 2008 co-authored the Charter 08, calling for a new constitution, an independent judiciary and freedom of expression; he was jailed for subversion. Again you are full of sh*t.

I will dance in the street when the US power is significantly reduced and that debt bubble no one wants to deal with finally bursts.

here needs to be a balance of power in the east, along with Russia , south american countries and The middle east having govts that no longer ask how high every time the US/EU asks them to jump.

Again, this kind of talk is just puerile. In the eventuality of these events taking place, I hope you have made plans to acquire citizenship of ones of these countries, because living in the UK will not be so pleasant.

[djbmc]

USA just had it's credit rating reduced by S&P

[Ulysses]

America deserves everything that's coming to them

[Dr Doom]

It would be interesting to see a power change. I think like many Americans I see America as eternal, even though it's beyond foolish to do so.

[Mr. Gayle]

Mad how his popularity has wained.

Should of went on the wave of terrible previous leadership etc keep his popularity high but seemed to have been very cagey in "throwing punches as they say"

I dont see him getting another term. Sarah Palin up next